So the instruments of the bards all have spells that are common to all instruments, does that mean that the lute I started with had the spells associated with all instruments? Or are the spells only common to the instruments of the bards?
I can't really understand this question completely, but to talk about how magic works in DND, you use the weave. With the weave, you use up some of it, and the way bards cast magic is by using their instruments as the medium so they can cast spells. Without their instrument they would need the material components for those spells, or just can't cast the spell if they don't have the components.
Bards just know the way to channel the weave through their instruments to cast certain spells they have learned, the instruments don't have an actual magic power, unless it was enchanted.
I can't really understand this question completely, but to talk about how magic works in DND, you use the weave. With the weave, you use up some of it, and the way bards cast magic is by using their instruments as the medium so they can cast spells. Without their instrument they would need the material components for those spells, or just can't cast the spell if they don't have the components.
Bards just know the way to channel the weave through their instruments to cast certain spells they have learned, the instruments don't have an actual magic power, unless it was enchanted.
Oh, I couldn't tell. I usually only look at base game items. The title just made me think about bards using instruments in general, but thanks for telling me.
Ok, while we on the topic: when it says the Instrument has the spells, does that just mean the spell “is known” while I use the instrument, but that it requires one of my bard’s slots to cast? My assumption is that it does, since it doesn’t specify in the description that it has so many charges to cast spells, or that it casts spells at will. Can I get that confirmed or corrected by anyone?
Ok, while we on the topic: when it says the Instrument has the spells, does that just mean the spell “is known” while I use the instrument, but that it requires one of my bard’s slots to cast? My assumption is that it does, since it doesn’t specify in the description that it has so many charges to cast spells, or that it casts spells at will. Can I get that confirmed or corrected by anyone?
Nope. The second paragraph in the item's description specifies how it works: each spell can be cast once daily, using an action. The spells do use your spellcasting ability and spell save DC, though. The spell isn't "known" at all, and you can't cast them using your slots, unless you happen to know the spells as well.
In regards to protection from good and evil, it is a common spell between all the instruments but has a costly component, holy water (25g) does the caster have to provide the component?
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In regards to protection from good and evil, it is a common spell between all the instruments but has a costly component, holy water (25g) does the caster have to provide the component?
No, since bards can cast spells with material components that aren't consumed using a musical instrument as a spell focus. Which an "Instrument of the bards" is. Clever, ey? :)
Protection from good and evil does consume the component when casting the spell though, otherwise they could use the instrument as a focus for the components like they would any other spell. That goes for any spell caster, if the spell has costly components like identify (pearl worth 100 gp, but you wouldn't need the owl feather if you were using a focus) you need the component but its not always consumed, revivify (300 gp in diamonds) consumes the component
Spells cast from magic items require no components unless the specific magic item says otherwise.
Additionally, Protection from Evil and Good does not require a component costing 25g. It does consume its component, but it doesn't cost anything, and so a focus can be used in its place.
The spell has a material component as part of casting the spell, which means its required, if the component has no cost you may instead use a spell casting focus, otherwise you need the component. Identify has a 100 gp pearl and an owl feather, you can use a focus to forgo the feather but not the pearl. That means you need holy water (valued at 25 gp) or silver and iron powder (which are ingredients for holy water that the player can produce, provided they are able to) and the spell consumes it on casting so the 25 gp worth of material is used on each casting otherwise the spell that requires the material component cannot be cast.
The spell has a material component as part of casting the spell, which means its required, if the component has no cost you may instead use a spell casting focus, otherwise you need the component. Identify has a 100 gp pearl and an owl feather, you can use a focus to forgo the feather but not the pearl. That means you need holy water (valued at 25 gp) or silver and iron powder (which are ingredients for holy water that the player can produce, provided they are able to) and the spell consumes it on casting so the 25 gp worth of material is used on each casting otherwise the spell that requires the material component cannot be cast.
All of that is true when you cast the spell yourself, you’re not wrong (except that it never specifies how much the silver and iron need to be worth). But again, spells cast from magic items require no components unless stated otherwise in the item’s description.
The spell has a material component as part of casting the spell, which means its required, if the component has no cost you may instead use a spell casting focus, otherwise you need the component. Identify has a 100 gp pearl and an owl feather, you can use a focus to forgo the feather but not the pearl. That means you need holy water (valued at 25 gp) or silver and iron powder (which are ingredients for holy water that the player can produce, provided they are able to) and the spell consumes it on casting so the 25 gp worth of material is used on each casting otherwise the spell that requires the material component cannot be cast.
Some magic items allow the user to cast a spell from the item, often by expending charges from it. The spell is cast at the lowest possible spell and caster level, doesn’t expend any of the user’s spell slots, and requires no components unless the item’s description says otherwise. The spell uses its normal casting time, range, and duration, and the user of the item must concentrate if the spell requires concentration. Many items, such as potions, bypass the casting of a spell and confer the spell’s effects with their usual duration. Certain items make exceptions to these rules, changing the casting time, duration, or other parts of a spell.
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But it does state the cost to create holy water in the phb under the equipment descriptions pg 151 and 152 and the ceremony spell from xte pg 151
None of which is relevant to Instrument of the Bards, so we’re way off topic, haha, BUT:
Those are the costs of creating a specific amount of holy water. Protection from Evil and Good doesn’t specify how much holy water is required; since it doesn’t list a gold cost, the value must be negligible. It still consumes it, and so a spellcasting focus can’t substitute for it. But I wouldn’t make my player use up an entire 25gp flask of holy water every time they cast the spell, because the spell doesn’t say it needs that much. I wouldn’t want to say “infinite castings” either for verisimilitude reasons, but I’d give them five or ten casts probably.
But it does state the cost to create holy water in the phb under the equipment descriptions pg 151 and 152 and the ceremony spell from xte pg 151
Yes, but the caster is not casting the spell in this instance, they are using a magic item that has the spell available once per day. When using an item like this, it doesn't require any components at all unless explicitly mentioned in the item description.
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Protection from good and evil does consume the component when casting the spell though, otherwise they could use the instrument as a focus for the components like they would any other spell. That goes for any spell caster, if the spell has costly components like identify (pearl worth 100 gp, but you wouldn't need the owl feather if you were using a focus) you need the component but its not always consumed, revivify (300 gp in diamonds) consumes the component
Oh yeah, it does, I forget about that. Then disregard what I said and read what peopl ewrote about spells from magic items not requiring material components. My bad. :)
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So the instruments of the bards all have spells that are common to all instruments, does that mean that the lute I started with had the spells associated with all instruments? Or are the spells only common to the instruments of the bards?
The spells are common between the instruments of the bards. Regular instruments don't have free spells.
I can't really understand this question completely, but to talk about how magic works in DND, you use the weave. With the weave, you use up some of it, and the way bards cast magic is by using their instruments as the medium so they can cast spells. Without their instrument they would need the material components for those spells, or just can't cast the spell if they don't have the components.
Bards just know the way to channel the weave through their instruments to cast certain spells they have learned, the instruments don't have an actual magic power, unless it was enchanted.
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The question is about a magic item, the Instrument of the Bards.
Oh, I couldn't tell. I usually only look at base game items. The title just made me think about bards using instruments in general, but thanks for telling me.
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Here, have some homebrew classes! Subclasses to? Why not races. Feats, feats as well. I have a lot of magic items. Lastly I got monsters, fun, fun times.
Ok, while we on the topic: when it says the Instrument has the spells, does that just mean the spell “is known” while I use the instrument, but that it requires one of my bard’s slots to cast? My assumption is that it does, since it doesn’t specify in the description that it has so many charges to cast spells, or that it casts spells at will. Can I get that confirmed or corrected by anyone?
Nope. The second paragraph in the item's description specifies how it works: each spell can be cast once daily, using an action. The spells do use your spellcasting ability and spell save DC, though. The spell isn't "known" at all, and you can't cast them using your slots, unless you happen to know the spells as well.
Oh, wow. Totally skipped over that paragraph. Thanks for straightening me out.
In regards to protection from good and evil, it is a common spell between all the instruments but has a costly component, holy water (25g) does the caster have to provide the component?
No, since bards can cast spells with material components that aren't consumed using a musical instrument as a spell focus. Which an "Instrument of the bards" is. Clever, ey? :)
Protection from good and evil does consume the component when casting the spell though, otherwise they could use the instrument as a focus for the components like they would any other spell. That goes for any spell caster, if the spell has costly components like identify (pearl worth 100 gp, but you wouldn't need the owl feather if you were using a focus) you need the component but its not always consumed, revivify (300 gp in diamonds) consumes the component
Spells cast from magic items require no components unless the specific magic item says otherwise.
Additionally, Protection from Evil and Good does not require a component costing 25g. It does consume its component, but it doesn't cost anything, and so a focus can be used in its place.
The spell has a material component as part of casting the spell, which means its required, if the component has no cost you may instead use a spell casting focus, otherwise you need the component. Identify has a 100 gp pearl and an owl feather, you can use a focus to forgo the feather but not the pearl. That means you need holy water (valued at 25 gp) or silver and iron powder (which are ingredients for holy water that the player can produce, provided they are able to) and the spell consumes it on casting so the 25 gp worth of material is used on each casting otherwise the spell that requires the material component cannot be cast.
All of that is true when you cast the spell yourself, you’re not wrong (except that it never specifies how much the silver and iron need to be worth). But again, spells cast from magic items require no components unless stated otherwise in the item’s description.
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Canto alla vita
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To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
But it does state the cost to create holy water in the phb under the equipment descriptions pg 151 and 152 and the ceremony spell from xte pg 151
None of which is relevant to Instrument of the Bards, so we’re way off topic, haha, BUT:
Those are the costs of creating a specific amount of holy water. Protection from Evil and Good doesn’t specify how much holy water is required; since it doesn’t list a gold cost, the value must be negligible. It still consumes it, and so a spellcasting focus can’t substitute for it. But I wouldn’t make my player use up an entire 25gp flask of holy water every time they cast the spell, because the spell doesn’t say it needs that much. I wouldn’t want to say “infinite castings” either for verisimilitude reasons, but I’d give them five or ten casts probably.
Yes, but the caster is not casting the spell in this instance, they are using a magic item that has the spell available once per day. When using an item like this, it doesn't require any components at all unless explicitly mentioned in the item description.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
Oh yeah, it does, I forget about that. Then disregard what I said and read what peopl ewrote about spells from magic items not requiring material components. My bad. :)