This may a stupid question, but if someone who cast wish for a purpose other than creating an 8th level spell, can another caster use their wish to give the other creature their ability to cast wish again? I know this may be leaning more towards dm interpretation, i just wanted to hear some opinions.
I'm going to be honest, as a player and DM, I don't like the non-spell effects of wish.
That said, I don't see why not. I would try my hardest to twist the wish (within reason). Like maybe replace a random level 9 spell you know with wish.
What 2 epic level arcane casters do with a day of downtime could be worse, so...
Sure, wish can do basically anything, so that's a possibility. As with anytime you use wish for it's "rewrite reality" feature rather than "duplicate any 8th-level or below spell", it might not work, or it might have side effects.
Anytime you're considering using wish that way, I would strongly recommend talking to your DM to get a sense of whether that's a good idea or not. That spell is so much up to DM discretion that you do NOT want to blindside your DM with it.
As a DM, here'd be my thoughts on it. I think that power-wise, using a Wish to get a Wish back for someone else isn't really brokenly powerful and won't break a campaign, so I'd want to say yes to the player. On the other hand, it basically feels that if you've got two casters of that level, they can just use wish on each other to allow them to permanently avoid the disadvantages of Wish... so that seems lame to me. So I'd probably want there to be some cost to it, so casting Wish never feels like a freebie. So I think I would rule that yes, the target regains, in principle, the ability to cast Wish... but then has to re-learn the spell somehow, either by picking Wish again next time they level up or, if they're already level 20, by earning 30k XP and getting that knowledge as an epic boon, or in some sidequest that's appropriate to whatever campaign the player was in. Not necessarily something that's a big blocker for the player, but enough so that the two casters don't go out casting special-effects Wish every day and then fixing each other up every day with MORE WISHES.
(And I'd probably pick something that feels fun and appropriate to the player - it's not meant to be a punishment, I wouldn't want to blindside them with this either.)
...it basically feels that if you've got two casters of that level, they can just use wish on each other to allow them to permanently avoid the disadvantages of Wish... so that seems lame to me. So I'd probably want there to be some cost to it, so casting Wish never feels like a freebie...
I think I'd probably just rule that the player making the wish loses the ability to cast wish, regardless of what the die says. The player for whom the wish was made regains the ability. More of a swap and a fitting twist, I think, for such a wish.
This may a stupid question, but if someone who cast wish for a purpose other than creating an 8th level spell, can another caster use their wish to give the other creature their ability to cast wish again? I know this may be leaning more towards dm interpretation, i just wanted to hear some opinions.
There's no rule against it, so Wish might do that, but it might not happen the way you want.
I'm going to be honest, as a player and DM, I don't like the non-spell effects of wish.
That said, I don't see why not. I would try my hardest to twist the wish (within reason). Like maybe replace a random level 9 spell you know with wish.
What 2 epic level arcane casters do with a day of downtime could be worse, so...
Sure, wish can do basically anything, so that's a possibility. As with anytime you use wish for it's "rewrite reality" feature rather than "duplicate any 8th-level or below spell", it might not work, or it might have side effects.
Anytime you're considering using wish that way, I would strongly recommend talking to your DM to get a sense of whether that's a good idea or not. That spell is so much up to DM discretion that you do NOT want to blindside your DM with it.
As a DM, here'd be my thoughts on it. I think that power-wise, using a Wish to get a Wish back for someone else isn't really brokenly powerful and won't break a campaign, so I'd want to say yes to the player. On the other hand, it basically feels that if you've got two casters of that level, they can just use wish on each other to allow them to permanently avoid the disadvantages of Wish... so that seems lame to me. So I'd probably want there to be some cost to it, so casting Wish never feels like a freebie. So I think I would rule that yes, the target regains, in principle, the ability to cast Wish... but then has to re-learn the spell somehow, either by picking Wish again next time they level up or, if they're already level 20, by earning 30k XP and getting that knowledge as an epic boon, or in some sidequest that's appropriate to whatever campaign the player was in. Not necessarily something that's a big blocker for the player, but enough so that the two casters don't go out casting special-effects Wish every day and then fixing each other up every day with MORE WISHES.
(And I'd probably pick something that feels fun and appropriate to the player - it's not meant to be a punishment, I wouldn't want to blindside them with this either.)
I think I'd probably just rule that the player making the wish loses the ability to cast wish, regardless of what the die says. The player for whom the wish was made regains the ability. More of a swap and a fitting twist, I think, for such a wish.