Yeah, the only interaction is the ability to see the ring while it is Invisible.
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"and perceive the original form of a shapechanger or a creature that is transformed by magic."
Is the part of true sight I'm wondering about in combination with the ring.
Thank you for the responses
The ring is neither a shapechanger, nor a creature transformed by magic.
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I think the OP is referring to the ability of the ring to hide the creature type.
"While wearing this ring, you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to read your thoughts, determine whether you are lying, know your alignment, or know your creature type."
While TrueSight seeing says:
"TRUESIGHT A creature with truesight can, out to a specific range, see in normal and magical darkness, see invisible creatures and objects, automatically detect visual illusions and succeed on saving throws against them, and perceives the original form of a shapechanger or a creature that is transformed by magic."
If a lycanthrope is wearing a ring of mind shielding, does truesight reveal the original form of the shapechanger since the ring prevents knowing your creature type? Does the ring prevent Truesight from perceiving the creature as a shapechanger at all?
Just my opinion, I'd say Truesight lets you see the "original form of the shapechanger" since that is not knowing the creature type specifically but I could see some room for a DM to rule otherwise.
The ring protects against magic that tells them creature type. Truesight does not magically tell creature type anymore than looking at an untransformed human with normal vision does.
"Just my opinion, I'd say Truesight lets you see the "original form of the shapechanger" since that is not knowing the creature type specifically but I could see some room for a DM to rule otherwise."
True Seeing is the only spell I've found that would reveal a creature's true form. I would think the ring of mind shielding is meant to protect against that.
Thanks again for the responses, they have been of great help to get a better understanding of the rules.
Rings of mind shield are not meant to protect against truesight (I’m not sure ANYTHING can protect against truesight; it’s the most powerful sense in the game; there’s a reason True Seeing is a 6th-level spell).
The wording is key. Truesight simply doesn’t let anyone else know your creature type, so the ring doesn’t protect you from it. DxJxC’s comparison demonstrates the distinction. A vampire could easily appear to be a normal human, even with truesight. But vampires are undead, not humanoids. Truesight won’t tell you that.
An example of magic that DOES tell you a creature’s type would be Finder’s Goggles. I’m still not sure the ring would prevent the wearer from learning your type, since the ring only makes YOU immune to such magic, not whatever it is you left behind that the wearer is touching, but magic of this type does exist, and True Seeing isn’t it.
"Just my opinion, I'd say Truesight lets you see the "original form of the shapechanger" since that is not knowing the creature type specifically but I could see some room for a DM to rule otherwise."
True Seeing is the only spell I've found that would reveal a creature's true form. I would think the ring of mind shielding is meant to protect against that.
Thanks again for the responses, they have been of great help to get a better understanding of the rules.
Happy to help. As we've said, Truesight does not allow you to know a creature's type. Even if the creature is also an actual shapechanger, or under the effect of a magical transformation, Truesight does not tell you what their creature type actually is; it's a purely visual effect.
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If there is a defense against True Seeing it would be Mind Blank (8th Level).
Mind Blank
Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is immune to psychic damage, any effect that would sense its emotions or read its thoughts, divination spells, and the charmed condition. The spell even foils wish spells and spells or effects of similar power used to affect the target's mind or to gain information about the target.
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The question is what happens when a true seeing is active and confronted with a ring of mind shielding.
There’s no interaction. True Seeing doesn’t do any of the things that a Ring of Mind Shielding protects against.
With one exception. Truesight will see the ring even if it has been turned invisible by the wearer.
Yeah, the only interaction is the ability to see the ring while it is Invisible.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
"and perceive the original form of a shapechanger or a creature that is transformed by magic."
Is the part of true sight I'm wondering about in combination with the ring.
Thank you for the responses
The ring is neither a shapechanger, nor a creature transformed by magic.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
I think the OP is referring to the ability of the ring to hide the creature type.
"While wearing this ring, you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to read your thoughts, determine whether you are lying, know your alignment, or know your creature type."
While TrueSight seeing says:
"TRUESIGHT
A creature with truesight can, out to a specific range, see in normal and magical darkness, see invisible creatures and objects, automatically detect visual illusions and succeed on saving throws against them, and perceives the original form of a shapechanger or a creature that is transformed by magic."
If a lycanthrope is wearing a ring of mind shielding, does truesight reveal the original form of the shapechanger since the ring prevents knowing your creature type? Does the ring prevent Truesight from perceiving the creature as a shapechanger at all?
Just my opinion, I'd say Truesight lets you see the "original form of the shapechanger" since that is not knowing the creature type specifically but I could see some room for a DM to rule otherwise.
The ring protects against magic that tells them creature type. Truesight does not magically tell creature type anymore than looking at an untransformed human with normal vision does.
Thank you for the responses.
"Just my opinion, I'd say Truesight lets you see the "original form of the shapechanger" since that is not knowing the creature type specifically but I could see some room for a DM to rule otherwise."
True Seeing is the only spell I've found that would reveal a creature's true form. I would think the ring of mind shielding is meant to protect against that.
Thanks again for the responses, they have been of great help to get a better understanding of the rules.
Rings of mind shield are not meant to protect against truesight (I’m not sure ANYTHING can protect against truesight; it’s the most powerful sense in the game; there’s a reason True Seeing is a 6th-level spell).
The wording is key. Truesight simply doesn’t let anyone else know your creature type, so the ring doesn’t protect you from it. DxJxC’s comparison demonstrates the distinction. A vampire could easily appear to be a normal human, even with truesight. But vampires are undead, not humanoids. Truesight won’t tell you that.
An example of magic that DOES tell you a creature’s type would be Finder’s Goggles. I’m still not sure the ring would prevent the wearer from learning your type, since the ring only makes YOU immune to such magic, not whatever it is you left behind that the wearer is touching, but magic of this type does exist, and True Seeing isn’t it.
Happy to help. As we've said, Truesight does not allow you to know a creature's type. Even if the creature is also an actual shapechanger, or under the effect of a magical transformation, Truesight does not tell you what their creature type actually is; it's a purely visual effect.
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If there is a defense against True Seeing it would be Mind Blank (8th Level).
Mind Blank
Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is immune to psychic damage, any effect that would sense its emotions or read its thoughts, divination spells, and the charmed condition. The spell even foils wish spells and spells or effects of similar power used to affect the target's mind or to gain information about the target.