Inside the game of D&D, Drizzt would have been hunted down by other Drow and assassinated as a heretic. The end.
There is only one kind of Drow. They are xenophobic, and worship an evil goddess. That is how it has been for 45 years of D&D, and no revisionist history is changing that now.
I take it you haven't read the all of the books then...... because that is a main theme in almost half of them. He even left his companions behind because he feared that being such a big target for them would lead to their deaths as well as his own. He went to Menzobarrenzen but was able to escape with some aid.
There are more Lloth drow cultures in the Underdark then just Menzobarrenzen. That is just where alot of the characters are from because Drizzt had become such a popular character. I feel that for people who have read the books that the new additions were not needed. There has been alot of writing to show that there was a lot of shift in what the drow believed, moving away from the classic they are evil just because they are evil and worship an evil god. Just like a PC grows in your campaign the fantasy race has also grown to include more ideas and less dogma. There are those that still follow it of course, and even high ranking matrons appear to follow the dogma, just going along to get along, while not really heeding it themselves.
I may have to read the article again, because I have a different understanding of what the udadrow are. This is definitely possible, as my signature states, but my impression was that the traditional drow are the udadrow, not a splinter faction, and the those women who carry the mark of Lolth are simply those who are exceptionally devout among the drow of the underdark. If I read it correctly, it is a religious marking, which is subject to removal should anyone divorce themselves from Lolth or fall out of favor.
As far as I remember the article, yes the Udadrow are the new name of what we simply call Drow. The splinter faction or not part is less clear, from my understanding the way they said it makes it sound like the Udadrow aren't the biggest group of "Drow". So not a splinter faction but not 80% of Drow either.
I understand the Lolth mark thing in about the same way as you - though I don't remember if only women can get the mark - and in same sense it's fine and can make sense. The issue I and some people have with it is that I has never been needed so far. They've always seemed to be able to know if one had Lolth's favor without any marking. The lack of markings also allows Drows to deceive and pretend to have her blessing. Not the worst change but also an easy excuse to say drow with markings = evil drow thus it's fine to kill.
Hello Skyrd,
This might have been me subconsciously filling the gaps with my understanding of previous drow lore, where men are as disposable as old, used leather. You are right though, it wasn’t stated in the article that only women receive the mark.
Inside the game of D&D, Drizzt would have been hunted down by other Drow and assassinated as a heretic. The end.
There is only one kind of Drow. They are xenophobic, and worship an evil goddess. That is how it has been for 45 years of D&D, and no revisionist history is changing that now.
I take it you haven't read the all of the books then...... because that is a main theme in almost half of them. He even left his companions behind because he feared that being such a big target for them would lead to their deaths as well as his own. He went to Menzobarrenzen but was able to escape with some aid.
There are more Lloth drow cultures in the Underdark then just Menzobarrenzen. That is just where alot of the characters are from because Drizzt had become such a popular character. I feel that for people who have read the books that the new additions were not needed. There has been alot of writing to show that there was a lot of shift in what the drow believed, moving away from the classic they are evil just because they are evil and worship an evil god. Just like a PC grows in your campaign the fantasy race has also grown to include more ideas and less dogma. There are those that still follow it of course, and even high ranking matrons appear to follow the dogma, just going along to get along, while not really heeding it themselves.
I see these points are speaking to Vince's post when it was made ... over four months ago. But if your salvo was fired as a member of the Spelljamming Drow Time Travel Expeditionary Commando Force, known for aggressive widow's peak and power 'staches, I salute you. Don't stall unloading the kegs in Luskan.
A welcome addition for me. Having played a drow once before, my DM at the time really leaned into the lore, which I found less than savory. This change allows my character’s goodness to not be the exceptional aspect of the character. It also allows for a positive experience among my PC’s own people. It harms nothing to have this added and it allows players to avoid undesirable backgrounds while remaining within the boundaries of canon.
Except those of us who EMBRACED the fun of dealing with the strife. To just play a "good drow" and complain about the negative consequences is a naked power grab.
And, who even cares about the canon, because now it's destroyed.
Hello Crzyhawk,
I fail to see how this addition reduces your ability to enjoy the already established drow lore, how my desire to play a drow unfettered by culturally engrained evil and oppression is a power grab, or how canon is destroyed. To me, this feels like catastrophizing. Things change, even what we understand about the world we live in (or in this case, the world we play in). Retcons are made to keep content relevant or to make changes that are seen as improvements. Tolkien made several revisions to his own lore as he went over the years, why can’t there be something new added here? Especially when there is a desire for it from at least some drow players. You will be under no obligation to play one of these new drow if you are not inclined to do so.
When you get the benefits, you should have to have the drawbacks too.
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A welcome addition for me. Having played a drow once before, my DM at the time really leaned into the lore, which I found less than savory. This change allows my character’s goodness to not be the exceptional aspect of the character. It also allows for a positive experience among my PC’s own people. It harms nothing to have this added and it allows players to avoid undesirable backgrounds while remaining within the boundaries of canon.
Except those of us who EMBRACED the fun of dealing with the strife. To just play a "good drow" and complain about the negative consequences is a naked power grab.
And, who even cares about the canon, because now it's destroyed.
Hello Crzyhawk,
I fail to see how this addition reduces your ability to enjoy the already established drow lore, how my desire to play a drow unfettered by culturally engrained evil and oppression is a power grab, or how canon is destroyed. To me, this feels like catastrophizing. Things change, even what we understand about the world we live in (or in this case, the world we play in). Retcons are made to keep content relevant or to make changes that are seen as improvements. Tolkien made several revisions to his own lore as he went over the years, why can’t there be something new added here? Especially when there is a desire for it from at least some drow players. You will be under no obligation to play one of these new drow if you are not inclined to do so.
When you get the benefits, you should have to have the drawbacks too.
Says who? Why? Who is to say that players won’t have drawbacks by choosing alternative drow cultures? This answer also fails to address how the addition reduces your fun. If other drow don’t have the limitations you want, wouldn’t that only enhance the joy you get from embracing this strife? After all, your drow’s existence is defined by suffering, exacerbated by the fact that other drow are not. Logically, you would think you would love these new drow factions for that alone. Your comment on the accused power grab also has not been addressed. What power is being wrest from you? How is canon destroyed? WotC is including the person who has written the most meaningful drow lore for the past two decades for this new path into drow history. Are you suggesting that Salvatore is a hack? It is so tedious to see comments about how the sky is falling every time new content comes out. If you don’t like it, please don’t use it. I plan to.
A welcome addition for me. Having played a drow once before, my DM at the time really leaned into the lore, which I found less than savory. This change allows my character’s goodness to not be the exceptional aspect of the character. It also allows for a positive experience among my PC’s own people. It harms nothing to have this added and it allows players to avoid undesirable backgrounds while remaining within the boundaries of canon.
Except those of us who EMBRACED the fun of dealing with the strife. To just play a "good drow" and complain about the negative consequences is a naked power grab.
And, who even cares about the canon, because now it's destroyed.
Hello Crzyhawk,
I fail to see how this addition reduces your ability to enjoy the already established drow lore, how my desire to play a drow unfettered by culturally engrained evil and oppression is a power grab, or how canon is destroyed. To me, this feels like catastrophizing. Things change, even what we understand about the world we live in (or in this case, the world we play in). Retcons are made to keep content relevant or to make changes that are seen as improvements. Tolkien made several revisions to his own lore as he went over the years, why can’t there be something new added here? Especially when there is a desire for it from at least some drow players. You will be under no obligation to play one of these new drow if you are not inclined to do so.
When you get the benefits, you should have to have the drawbacks too.
That is an extremely valid point... when you get the benefits then you also get the drawbacks.
A welcome addition for me. Having played a drow once before, my DM at the time really leaned into the lore, which I found less than savory. This change allows my character’s goodness to not be the exceptional aspect of the character. It also allows for a positive experience among my PC’s own people. It harms nothing to have this added and it allows players to avoid undesirable backgrounds while remaining within the boundaries of canon.
Except those of us who EMBRACED the fun of dealing with the strife. To just play a "good drow" and complain about the negative consequences is a naked power grab.
And, who even cares about the canon, because now it's destroyed.
Hello Crzyhawk,
I fail to see how this addition reduces your ability to enjoy the already established drow lore, how my desire to play a drow unfettered by culturally engrained evil and oppression is a power grab, or how canon is destroyed. To me, this feels like catastrophizing. Things change, even what we understand about the world we live in (or in this case, the world we play in). Retcons are made to keep content relevant or to make changes that are seen as improvements. Tolkien made several revisions to his own lore as he went over the years, why can’t there be something new added here? Especially when there is a desire for it from at least some drow players. You will be under no obligation to play one of these new drow if you are not inclined to do so.
When you get the benefits, you should have to have the drawbacks too.
Says who? Why? Who is to say that players won’t have drawbacks by choosing alternative drow cultures? This answer also fails to address how the addition reduces your fun. If other drow don’t have the limitations you want, wouldn’t that only enhance the joy you get from embracing this strife? After all, your drow’s existence is defined by suffering, exacerbated by the fact that other drow are not. Logically, you would think you would love these new drow factions for that alone. Your comment on the accused power grab also has not been addressed. What power is being wrest from you? How is canon destroyed? WotC is including the person who has written the most meaningful drow lore for the past two decades for this new path into drow history. Are you suggesting that Salvatore is a hack? It is so tedious to see comments about how the sky is falling every time new content comes out. If you don’t like it, please don’t use it. I plan to.
And I do hope they get drawbacks...in the book, the Avendrow don't get drow magic. They probably won't have sunlight sensitivity, and probably won't have enhanced darkvision.
I hope these new "drow" get to be just obsidian surface elves.
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I know it sounds like an oxymoron...An RPG based on "fantasy" but it also has "rules".
Yeah. I Get It... you guys want to play any way that you feel like it and disregard the rules. What Next? Marvel characters? DC Comics characters too? ...🧐
Look, I don't like the idea of forcing all of the purists and the so-called D&D elitists to go underground and play in secret leagues. So, before it gets too weird... let's play by the already established rules first 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know it sounds like an oxymoron...An RPG based on "fantasy" but it also has "rules".
Yeah. I Get It... you guys want to play any way that you feel like it and disregard the rules. What Next? Marvel characters? DC Comics characters too? ...🧐
Look, I don't like the idea of forcing all of the purists and the so-called D&D elitists to go underground and play in secret leagues. So, before it gets too weird... let's play by the already established rules first 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not we’ve already had the looney tunes cast in D&D?
Did we not have cartoon characters Rick and Morty already?
Not that these new Drow are such... Just answering the question above.
It works in many ways. Nobody's required to play these new Drow, but also, nobody's required to include them in campaigns, either.
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I started with AD&D 2e. So, I missed that. ...and Granny is totally an ***-kicker.👊🏻
Would anyone really balk at, "Sorry. Those Drow are too reclusive to be encountered in this campaign."? It's almost like (from what little we know so far) we're given an option to simply not have them at all in our campaigns.
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Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider. My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong. I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲 “It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
I know it sounds like an oxymoron...An RPG based on "fantasy" but it also has "rules".
Yeah. I Get It... you guys want to play any way that you feel like it and disregard the rules. What Next? Marvel characters? DC Comics characters too? ...🧐
Look, I don't like the idea of forcing all of the purists and the so-called D&D elitists to go underground and play in secret leagues. So, before it gets too weird... let's play by the already established rules first 🤣🤣🤣🤣
People had been playing in accordance with the established lore and rules already, myself included. I did not enjoy the lore heavily impacting my character. Enough people did not enjoy it, apparently, that WotC decided to address it by providing canonical alternatives so players specifically can remain within the lore and rules without needing to houserule or homebrew. Suggesting that I am not playing by the rules because I did not enjoy my experience and wanted something different is frankly, kind of insulting. If people who claim to love D&D/lore and would abandon it or move underground just because new content is added that includes others, I would question that claim.
Even today in the real world, there are dozens of uncontacted peoples. The notion that there can be nothing new discovered in this fantasy world of illusion and other magical wards just does not make a lot of sense.
People had been playing in accordance with the established lore and rules already, myself included. I did not enjoy the lore heavily impacting my character. Enough people did not enjoy it, apparently, that WotC decided to address it by providing canonical alternatives so players specifically can remain within the lore and rules without needing to houserule or homebrew.
Now that's a pretty big claim, do you have any evidence to back it up? I am specifically questioning all of these facets:
WOTC's decision is based, in any way, on people not enjoying the established lore.
Supposing 1 is true, that it is based on quantity of said people, as opposed to some other rubric connected to them.
Supposing 1 and 2 are both true, that WOTC decided to address it specifically so said players can enjoy their games while staying within canon lore, as opposed to some other reason connected to them that would lead to them addressing it.
I basically don't trust WOTC to do any of that, and without evidence to suggest otherwise, would ordinarily assume wildly different motivations for the company.
Basically, while spelljamming around the universe the aggressive widow peaked and power stached Drow rockers came upon the oracle of Burger King, wherein they learned the mantra of "Have It Your Way." There has been much less conflict among the Drow, all who call themselves Drow, since this revelation. But when the opportunistic gossip Salvatore published this revelation, there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst some elments within the Game Players. Even talk of underground games played in "purity" resistance to this heresy. Thus began the Little Regarded Wars.
Thanks for the hook, folks, I can run with this Whopper from here.
People had been playing in accordance with the established lore and rules already, myself included. I did not enjoy the lore heavily impacting my character. Enough people did not enjoy it, apparently, that WotC decided to address it by providing canonical alternatives so players specifically can remain within the lore and rules without needing to houserule or homebrew.
Now that's a pretty big claim, do you have any evidence to back it up? I am specifically questioning all of these facets:
WOTC's decision is based, in any way, on people not enjoying the established lore.
Supposing 1 is true, that it is based on quantity of said people, as opposed to some other rubric connected to them.
Supposing 1 and 2 are both true, that WOTC decided to address it specifically so said players can enjoy their games while staying within canon lore, as opposed to some other reason connected to them that would lead to them addressing it.
I basically don't trust WOTC to do any of that, and without evidence to suggest otherwise, would ordinarily assume wildly different motivations for the company.
That is a curiously aggressive request. Are you suggesting that WotC is not making current changes based on feedback when they just had an announcement where they state their upcoming changes are at least in part, based on feedback from players?
I do not have evidence that negative player feedback was the driver of this change because I do not work at WotC, but this is kind of intuitive given that their upcoming changes are strongly influenced by player feedback as stated by WotC. One can infer why some might be asking for a diversity of drow rather than a diversity of say, halflings. Feel free to dismiss specifically the portion of my claim that this change is based on negative feedback if you wish, but to question whether the change is based at least in part on player feedback is willfully ignorant. Basing changes on consumer feedback makes business sense. It is possible that there was a neutral or positive request for different drow because some love drow and want more drow, but based on the response in this thread to any kind of change, however small and insignificant, does that seem likely?
Basically, while spelljamming around the universe the aggressive widow peaked and power stached Drow rockers came upon the oracle of Burger King, wherein they learned the mantra of "Have It Your Way." There has been much less conflict among the Drow, all who call themselves Drow, since this revelation. But when the opportunistic gossip Salvatore published this revelation, there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst some elments within the Game Players. Even talk of underground games played in "purity" resistance to this heresy. Thus began the Little Regarded Wars.
Thanks for the hook, folks, I can run with this Whopper from here.
People had been playing in accordance with the established lore and rules already, myself included. I did not enjoy the lore heavily impacting my character. Enough people did not enjoy it, apparently, that WotC decided to address it by providing canonical alternatives so players specifically can remain within the lore and rules without needing to houserule or homebrew.
Now that's a pretty big claim, do you have any evidence to back it up? I am specifically questioning all of these facets:
WOTC's decision is based, in any way, on people not enjoying the established lore.
Supposing 1 is true, that it is based on quantity of said people, as opposed to some other rubric connected to them.
Supposing 1 and 2 are both true, that WOTC decided to address it specifically so said players can enjoy their games while staying within canon lore, as opposed to some other reason connected to them that would lead to them addressing it.
I basically don't trust WOTC to do any of that, and without evidence to suggest otherwise, would ordinarily assume wildly different motivations for the company.
That is a curiously aggressive request. Are you suggesting that WotC is not making current changes based on feedback when they just had an announcement where they state their upcoming changes are at least in part, based on feedback from players?
I do not have evidence that negative player feedback was the driver of this change because I do not work at WotC, but this is kind of intuitive given that their upcoming changes are strongly influenced by player feedback as stated by WotC. One can infer why some might be asking for a diversity of drow rather than a diversity of say, halflings. Feel free to dismiss specifically the portion of my claim that this change is based on negative feedback if you wish, but to question whether the change is based at least in part on player feedback is willfully ignorant. Basing changes on consumer feedback makes business sense. It is possible that there was a neutral or positive request for different drow because some love drow and want more drow, but based on the response in this thread to any kind of change, however small and insignificant, does that seem likely?
Another valid point. Hhmmm...🤔
I'm going to let that thought marinate for a second
This has been an interesting discussion, but I feel it is mostly one-way. That is forget the mythology of most drow being evil or good escapees from an evil society. These points make for great RP. I have one drow character whose little sister turned in their parents to the authorities for worshipping Eilistraee so the character fled to the surface world and is working as a Cleric of Eilistraee to return to try and free her family. I have a male drow who fled to the surface due to his sure knowledge that his lover would eventually tire of him and have him executed. Both have to find their way in a world that innately shuns them due to their people's reputation. I love RP both of these characters since there is so much to do with those conflicted backgrounds.
I realize the new lore does not negate either of the backgrounds of these two characters, but please answer me what interesting RP would result from a good or neutral drow from one of these newly discovered societies? Seems like you would be "just another elf". Enlighten me on the RP betterment by having a non-evil society background.
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I take it you haven't read the all of the books then...... because that is a main theme in almost half of them. He even left his companions behind because he feared that being such a big target for them would lead to their deaths as well as his own. He went to Menzobarrenzen but was able to escape with some aid.
There are more Lloth drow cultures in the Underdark then just Menzobarrenzen. That is just where alot of the characters are from because Drizzt had become such a popular character. I feel that for people who have read the books that the new additions were not needed. There has been alot of writing to show that there was a lot of shift in what the drow believed, moving away from the classic they are evil just because they are evil and worship an evil god. Just like a PC grows in your campaign the fantasy race has also grown to include more ideas and less dogma. There are those that still follow it of course, and even high ranking matrons appear to follow the dogma, just going along to get along, while not really heeding it themselves.
Hello Skyrd,
This might have been me subconsciously filling the gaps with my understanding of previous drow lore, where men are as disposable as old, used leather. You are right though, it wasn’t stated in the article that only women receive the mark.
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I see these points are speaking to Vince's post when it was made ... over four months ago. But if your salvo was fired as a member of the Spelljamming Drow Time Travel Expeditionary Commando Force, known for aggressive widow's peak and power 'staches, I salute you. Don't stall unloading the kegs in Luskan.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
When you get the benefits, you should have to have the drawbacks too.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
Says who? Why? Who is to say that players won’t have drawbacks by choosing alternative drow cultures? This answer also fails to address how the addition reduces your fun. If other drow don’t have the limitations you want, wouldn’t that only enhance the joy you get from embracing this strife? After all, your drow’s existence is defined by suffering, exacerbated by the fact that other drow are not. Logically, you would think you would love these new drow factions for that alone. Your comment on the accused power grab also has not been addressed. What power is being wrest from you? How is canon destroyed? WotC is including the person who has written the most meaningful drow lore for the past two decades for this new path into drow history. Are you suggesting that Salvatore is a hack? It is so tedious to see comments about how the sky is falling every time new content comes out. If you don’t like it, please don’t use it. I plan to.
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That is an extremely valid point... when you get the benefits then you also get the drawbacks.
And I do hope they get drawbacks...in the book, the Avendrow don't get drow magic. They probably won't have sunlight sensitivity, and probably won't have enhanced darkvision.
I hope these new "drow" get to be just obsidian surface elves.
Any time an unfathomably powerful entity sweeps in and offers godlike rewards in return for just a few teensy favors, it’s a scam. Unless it’s me. I’d never lie to you, reader dearest.
Tasha
I know it sounds like an oxymoron...An RPG based on "fantasy" but it also has "rules".
Yeah. I Get It... you guys want to play any way that you feel like it and disregard the rules. What Next? Marvel characters? DC Comics characters too? ...🧐
Look, I don't like the idea of forcing all of the purists and the so-called D&D elitists to go underground and play in secret leagues. So, before it gets too weird... let's play by the already established rules first 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not we’ve already had the looney tunes cast in D&D?
Wisea$$ DM and Player since 1979.
Did we not have cartoon characters Rick and Morty already?
Not that these new Drow are such... Just answering the question above.
It works in many ways. Nobody's required to play these new Drow, but also, nobody's required to include them in campaigns, either.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Yeah there is Rick and Marty now but I was actually referring to Gygax’s 1e Looney tunes module way way back when. You try tacking on granny 😳🤪😁
Wisea$$ DM and Player since 1979.
I started with AD&D 2e. So, I missed that. ...and Granny is totally an ***-kicker.👊🏻
Would anyone really balk at, "Sorry. Those Drow are too reclusive to be encountered in this campaign."? It's almost like (from what little we know so far) we're given an option to simply not have them at all in our campaigns.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
People had been playing in accordance with the established lore and rules already, myself included. I did not enjoy the lore heavily impacting my character. Enough people did not enjoy it, apparently, that WotC decided to address it by providing canonical alternatives so players specifically can remain within the lore and rules without needing to houserule or homebrew. Suggesting that I am not playing by the rules because I did not enjoy my experience and wanted something different is frankly, kind of insulting. If people who claim to love D&D/lore and would abandon it or move underground just because new content is added that includes others, I would question that claim.
Even today in the real world, there are dozens of uncontacted peoples. The notion that there can be nothing new discovered in this fantasy world of illusion and other magical wards just does not make a lot of sense.
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Now that's a pretty big claim, do you have any evidence to back it up? I am specifically questioning all of these facets:
I basically don't trust WOTC to do any of that, and without evidence to suggest otherwise, would ordinarily assume wildly different motivations for the company.
Basically, while spelljamming around the universe the aggressive widow peaked and power stached Drow rockers came upon the oracle of Burger King, wherein they learned the mantra of "Have It Your Way." There has been much less conflict among the Drow, all who call themselves Drow, since this revelation. But when the opportunistic gossip Salvatore published this revelation, there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst some elments within the Game Players. Even talk of underground games played in "purity" resistance to this heresy. Thus began the Little Regarded Wars.
Thanks for the hook, folks, I can run with this Whopper from here.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
That is a curiously aggressive request. Are you suggesting that WotC is not making current changes based on feedback when they just had an announcement where they state their upcoming changes are at least in part, based on feedback from players?
I do not have evidence that negative player feedback was the driver of this change because I do not work at WotC, but this is kind of intuitive given that their upcoming changes are strongly influenced by player feedback as stated by WotC. One can infer why some might be asking for a diversity of drow rather than a diversity of say, halflings. Feel free to dismiss specifically the portion of my claim that this change is based on negative feedback if you wish, but to question whether the change is based at least in part on player feedback is willfully ignorant. Basing changes on consumer feedback makes business sense. It is possible that there was a neutral or positive request for different drow because some love drow and want more drow, but based on the response in this thread to any kind of change, however small and insignificant, does that seem likely?
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Another valid point. Hhmmm...🤔
I'm going to let that thought marinate for a second
Does anyone know how to write "Have it your way" in Drow? Like I might put that on my currently nonexistent sig.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
This has been an interesting discussion, but I feel it is mostly one-way. That is forget the mythology of most drow being evil or good escapees from an evil society. These points make for great RP. I have one drow character whose little sister turned in their parents to the authorities for worshipping Eilistraee so the character fled to the surface world and is working as a Cleric of Eilistraee to return to try and free her family. I have a male drow who fled to the surface due to his sure knowledge that his lover would eventually tire of him and have him executed. Both have to find their way in a world that innately shuns them due to their people's reputation. I love RP both of these characters since there is so much to do with those conflicted backgrounds.
I realize the new lore does not negate either of the backgrounds of these two characters, but please answer me what interesting RP would result from a good or neutral drow from one of these newly discovered societies? Seems like you would be "just another elf". Enlighten me on the RP betterment by having a non-evil society background.