Brainstealer dragon - begins as dragon, ends as aberration. (Not 5e as far as I'm aware but that's not very far.)
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Oh no......... what about a Draconic Aberration? Or an Aberration Dragon?
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First of all, it's all made up and everything so ... it seems to be a more formidable version of a satyr that someone didn't think through.
The question of internal organs never occurred to me because I never tried to think my way through what was going on. There "should" be two sets of lungs, two hearts, two stomachs, lots of kidneys, two livers, ... but only one brain, one bladder, one set of reproductive organs. The intestines might begin at the bottom of the top stomach and merge into the intestines of the lower stomach.
I don't think there is any way to reconcile the problems. You just have to take it for what it is. I'm sure there are many monsters that have the same problem if we looked too close under the hood.
Definitely agree that you just shouldn't think TOO hard about it. The sheer fact that centaurs have six limbs make them unlike any other mammal in a biological sense because we all came from the same 4-finned fish. The blueprints for more limbs just isn't there.
Now, as far as redundant organs go, that actually wouldn't be the most farfetched thing ever. We don't NEED two lungs or kidneys to live, but we have them anyway (And thank goodness!) The organ that is the hungriest in our bodies is of course the brain. If a horse had a brain as large as a humans AND equally intelligent, its digestive system wouldn't be sufficient. The smarter you get, the more nutrients you need, and grass just wouldn't cut it. Similarly, if you have muscle groups as large and as powerful as a horse's, you would need to eat even MORE. To make centaur biology even remotely believable, they WOULD need a secondary 'heart' to help bring blood from the lower body back up, secondary lower body kidneys, a MASSIVE digestive tract to squeeze out every calorie and vitamin, two pair of lungs, a single, oversized liver to support that massive digestive tract, and... bear with me on this... front-facing genitals. There's just no other way around it. The genitals would have to be located at the front where they would be on a human and pregnant centaur women would carry them up in their human torso. The human torso would be the only place with enough space since the lower body would be packing everything else. They would have to start out just a little larger than human babies but would grow exponentially faster, needing a LOT of milk from mom. Centaur tribes might even need communal wet-nurses to be certain the children get enough milk.
That said, a centaur with redundant organs would not be able to part with ANY of them. It's the only way to make them feasible in the game, because otherwise it would be incredibly difficult to take a centaur down unless you knew which half housed the vital organs while wounding the other half would only cause superficial wounds. If both halves have organs, then damage can be applied regularly all over instead of just being vulnerable in one half.
It's kind of why I want to play a centaur purely because of the mental fun I could have imagining all the ways being one would be so different from being human. Part fighter, part pack mule, all complaining about more danged stairs!
Uh............ I am sorry, I didn't read that but it was long........ And who ever you are, you know your stuff.
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Oh no......... what about a Draconic Aberration? Or an Aberration Dragon
isn't that really just like Tiamat
Yeah, kinda lol
This kinda goes into the whole existence status of deities - their true forms, their preferred forms, and their perceived forms - any or all could be totally true, partially true, or completely untrue. Tiamat's not an Aberration but a Fiend, Devil, a minor deity. That's a different ball of wax than what's being discussed here. Anatomic feasibility isn't a consideration.
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Oh no......... what about a Draconic Aberration? Or an Aberration Dragon
isn't that really just like Tiamat
Yeah, kinda lol
This kinda goes into the whole existence status of deities - their true forms, their preferred forms, and their perceived forms - any or all could be totally true, partially true, or completely untrue. Tiamat's not an Aberration but a Fiend, Devil, a minor deity. That's a different ball of wax than what's being discussed here. Anatomic feasibility isn't a consideration.
Is Tiamat technically a devil or just a draconic deity who lives in Baator?
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The five headed goddess of chromatic (evil) Dragons. (I use evil as a shorthand cause most chromatics are evil but they can be neutral or good too, especially on worlds like Eberron.) Each of her heads is a different color. Originally derived from Babylonian myth.
Whatever she is, she's not a Dragon/Dragonkin. She's a Fiend. She's considered a Devil and a minor deity in much of the lore. (She might not even be a "she" by standards we typically use, but that's the gender people assign to her.)
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Bahamut (the good dragon deity) is generally thought of as male, and Tiamat is usually thought of as female.
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Don't know about Tiamat, but Bahamut in lore likes to take the shape of an elderly man mostly. So, it's understandable that people assume he identifies as male, but it's difficult to understand how that applies to deities.
Back to the poll: What conditionals are we applying to the poll? As I recently mentioned elsewhere, D&D is highly situational. It is possible for 20 million living trees to defeat Tiamat through exhaustion according to one DM, but that's applying exhaustion to an NPC that's probably usually exempt from that rule.
So... under what conditions are we referring? TABS open arena stuff or a cavern? How many opponents on each side of the equation? What kind of opponents?
Now I want to see a TABS of Tiamat versus 20 million living trees. Scratch that. I want to see a TABS of Tiamat versus 20 million Halflings. (In TABS, Halflings attack by launching themselves at the enemies when they get close and eventually dogpile on large enemies to bring them down.)
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Don't know about Tiamat, but Bahamut in lore likes to take the shape of an elderly man mostly. So, it's understandable that people assume he identifies as male, but it's difficult to understand how that applies to deities.
Back to the poll: What conditionals are we applying to the poll? As I recently mentioned elsewhere, D&D is highly situational. It is possible for 20 million living trees to defeat Tiamat through exhaustion according to one DM, but that's applying exhaustion to an NPC that's probably usually exempt from that rule.
So... under what conditions are we referring? TABS open arena stuff or a cavern? How many opponents on each side of the equation? What kind of opponents?
Now I want to see a TABS of Tiamat versus 20 million living trees. Scratch that. I want to see a TABS of Tiamat versus 20 million Halflings. (In TABS, Halflings attack by launching themselves at the enemies when they get close and eventually dogpile on large enemies to bring them down.)
In Babylonian myth Tiamat was the Dark Mother figure. Like Kali in Hindu myth but more draconic than human. Also she was associated with the element of water.
I thought Tiamat is consider the mother of dragons and Bahamut the father. Tiamat for evil and Bahamut for good. Like Ying and Yang.
Io/Asgorath is typically depicted as the creator/father of all dragons. Bahamut is the lawful good god of metallic dragons and is the brother of Tiamat, the Chaotic evil god of chromatic dragons who is Bahamut's sister. In common depictions of the creation lore, Bahamut and Tiamat are Io's first born childern (along with the other draconic gods) or were the two halves of Io when he died during the war against the primordials and the gods. This all depends on which version of the lore you are following of course.
Definitely!!! A Monster Alliance.
@crocodiledeathspeed1 yeah, me too
Brainstealer dragon - begins as dragon, ends as aberration. (Not 5e as far as I'm aware but that's not very far.)
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Oh no......... what about a Draconic Aberration? Or an Aberration Dragon?
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Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
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isn't that really just like Tiamat
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A Drabberation? A Aberagon? A Aberconic?
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Yeah, kinda lol
Definitely agree that you just shouldn't think TOO hard about it. The sheer fact that centaurs have six limbs make them unlike any other mammal in a biological sense because we all came from the same 4-finned fish. The blueprints for more limbs just isn't there.
Now, as far as redundant organs go, that actually wouldn't be the most farfetched thing ever. We don't NEED two lungs or kidneys to live, but we have them anyway (And thank goodness!) The organ that is the hungriest in our bodies is of course the brain. If a horse had a brain as large as a humans AND equally intelligent, its digestive system wouldn't be sufficient. The smarter you get, the more nutrients you need, and grass just wouldn't cut it. Similarly, if you have muscle groups as large and as powerful as a horse's, you would need to eat even MORE. To make centaur biology even remotely believable, they WOULD need a secondary 'heart' to help bring blood from the lower body back up, secondary lower body kidneys, a MASSIVE digestive tract to squeeze out every calorie and vitamin, two pair of lungs, a single, oversized liver to support that massive digestive tract, and... bear with me on this... front-facing genitals. There's just no other way around it. The genitals would have to be located at the front where they would be on a human and pregnant centaur women would carry them up in their human torso. The human torso would be the only place with enough space since the lower body would be packing everything else. They would have to start out just a little larger than human babies but would grow exponentially faster, needing a LOT of milk from mom. Centaur tribes might even need communal wet-nurses to be certain the children get enough milk.
That said, a centaur with redundant organs would not be able to part with ANY of them. It's the only way to make them feasible in the game, because otherwise it would be incredibly difficult to take a centaur down unless you knew which half housed the vital organs while wounding the other half would only cause superficial wounds. If both halves have organs, then damage can be applied regularly all over instead of just being vulnerable in one half.
It's kind of why I want to play a centaur purely because of the mental fun I could have imagining all the ways being one would be so different from being human. Part fighter, part pack mule, all complaining about more danged stairs!
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Uh............ I am sorry, I didn't read that but it was long........ And who ever you are, you know your stuff.
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
This kinda goes into the whole existence status of deities - their true forms, their preferred forms, and their perceived forms - any or all could be totally true, partially true, or completely untrue. Tiamat's not an Aberration but a Fiend, Devil, a minor deity. That's a different ball of wax than what's being discussed here. Anatomic feasibility isn't a consideration.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Is Tiamat technically a devil or just a draconic deity who lives in Baator?
Who is Tiamat?
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Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
The five headed goddess of chromatic (evil) Dragons. (I use evil as a shorthand cause most chromatics are evil but they can be neutral or good too, especially on worlds like Eberron.) Each of her heads is a different color. Originally derived from Babylonian myth.
Whatever she is, she's not a Dragon/Dragonkin. She's a Fiend. She's considered a Devil and a minor deity in much of the lore. (She might not even be a "she" by standards we typically use, but that's the gender people assign to her.)
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Deities are often gender-fluid via magic.....
I am part of the Cult of Grammar. Respect us. Or we will find the slightest mistake in your grammar, and never let you forget it.
Clones would have saved Star Wars, and Kylo Ren sucks.
MAKE THE EMPIRE GREAT AGAIN!!! I am a stormtrooper, and the Skywalker family is made of nothing but idiots who are insane. Cough Anakin and Luke Skywalker Cough
Don't even TRY to argue with me about Star Wars.
Bahamut (the good dragon deity) is generally thought of as male, and Tiamat is usually thought of as female.
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If there was no light, people wouldn't fear the dark.
Don't know about Tiamat, but Bahamut in lore likes to take the shape of an elderly man mostly. So, it's understandable that people assume he identifies as male, but it's difficult to understand how that applies to deities.
Back to the poll:
What conditionals are we applying to the poll? As I recently mentioned elsewhere, D&D is highly situational. It is possible for 20 million living trees to defeat Tiamat through exhaustion according to one DM, but that's applying exhaustion to an NPC that's probably usually exempt from that rule.
So... under what conditions are we referring? TABS open arena stuff or a cavern? How many opponents on each side of the equation? What kind of opponents?
Now I want to see a TABS of Tiamat versus 20 million living trees.Scratch that. I want to see a TABS of Tiamat versus 20 million Halflings. (In TABS, Halflings attack by launching themselves at the enemies when they get close and eventually dogpile on large enemies to bring them down.)Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
That would be interesting to watch
When players get creative.
In Babylonian myth Tiamat was the Dark Mother figure. Like Kali in Hindu myth but more draconic than human. Also she was associated with the element of water.
I thought Tiamat is consider the mother of dragons and Bahamut the father. Tiamat for evil and Bahamut for good. Like Ying and Yang.
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Io/Asgorath is typically depicted as the creator/father of all dragons. Bahamut is the lawful good god of metallic dragons and is the brother of Tiamat, the Chaotic evil god of chromatic dragons who is Bahamut's sister. In common depictions of the creation lore, Bahamut and Tiamat are Io's first born childern (along with the other draconic gods) or were the two halves of Io when he died during the war against the primordials and the gods. This all depends on which version of the lore you are following of course.
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