Basically, is anything stopping me from making a boulder above someone's head, or making the barbarian a new weapon? I'm going for Rules As Intended. If nothing stops me, i can think of half a dozen more ways to abuse this.
Thx. I'm probs gonna try to be able to cast silent image at will, so i can move stuff around. Now for the promised half a dozen more.
Make and move a wall to knock the BBEG off that ridiculously small sized platform that is in their fortress for no apparent reason
Encase them in stone (technically not petrification and technically it's the suffocation that killed them)
Create a platform and move it around to cross a chasm
Create a bar of gold or something to sell
Create utility items that can be used for non-combat purposes
Blocking a door I don't want opened
Lift someone up high and tilt them off
This was a lot harder bc of the last sentence. Still think it's OP and still endears me to the idea of a 14 illusionist wizard, 2 and warlock, 2 any sorcerer build with Misty Visions and either agonizing blast or armor of shadows as my invocations and distant spell and another as my metamagic.
Make and move a wall to knock the BBEG off that ridiculously small sized platform that is in their fortress for no apparent reason Objects moving into creatures don't force the creature to move unless the effect says it does.
Encase them in stone (technically not petrification and technically it's the suffocation that killed them). It lasts 1 minute so would not cause suffication (it would be a dm decision if they can breath anyway), but could be used to take them out the fight for that time
Create a platform and move it around to cross a chasm This works as long as the spell covers a large enough area
Create a bar of gold or something to sell The 1 minute could well be a problem here, if it works the buyer would probably report the theft which could leed to repercussions
Create utility items that can be used for non-combat purposes Sounds good to me though it will only exist for 1 minute.
Blocking a door I don't want opened You can create a stone slab in front of the door or something the DM would the determine if it can be moved with a strength check or whatever.
Lift someone up high and tilt them off I would put this in the can't deal damage category. Even if this is allowed if will probably do less than you think, Silent image has a range of 60 ft so you would probably be limited ot moving it 60 ft up (120 with distant spell). Creatures caught in it are likely ot wonder what is happening and examine the image so could also jump off.
Make and move a wall to knock the BBEG off that ridiculously small sized platform that is in their fortress for no apparent reason Objects moving into creatures don't force the creature to move unless the effect says it does.
Encase them in stone (technically not petrification and technically it's the suffocation that killed them). It lasts 1 minute so would not cause suffication (it would be a dm decision if they can breath anyway), but could be used to take them out the fight for that time
Create a platform and move it around to cross a chasm This works as long as the spell covers a large enough area
Create a bar of gold or something to sell The 1 minute could well be a problem here, if it works the buyer would probably report the theft which could leed to repercussions
Create utility items that can be used for non-combat purposes Sounds good to me though it will only exist for 1 minute.
Blocking a door I don't want opened You can create a stone slab in front of the door or something the DM would the determine if it can be moved with a strength check or whatever.
Lift someone up high and tilt them off I would put this in the can't deal damage category. Even if this is allowed if will probably do less than you think, Silent image has a range of 60 ft so you would probably be limited ot moving it 60 ft up (120 with distant spell). Creatures caught in it are likely ot wonder what is happening and examine the image so could also jump off.
You're forgetting: Sorcerer. Extended Spell and Distant Spell. If I needed, I could cast major image. Another idea: Encase them in a sphere and put the sphere in lava or something
Make and move a wall to knock the BBEG off that ridiculously small sized platform that is in their fortress for no apparent reason Objects moving into creatures don't force the creature to move unless the effect says it does.
Encase them in stone (technically not petrification and technically it's the suffocation that killed them). It lasts 1 minute so would not cause suffication (it would be a dm decision if they can breath anyway), but could be used to take them out the fight for that time
Create a platform and move it around to cross a chasm This works as long as the spell covers a large enough area
Create a bar of gold or something to sell The 1 minute could well be a problem here, if it works the buyer would probably report the theft which could leed to repercussions
Create utility items that can be used for non-combat purposes Sounds good to me though it will only exist for 1 minute.
Blocking a door I don't want opened You can create a stone slab in front of the door or something the DM would the determine if it can be moved with a strength check or whatever.
Lift someone up high and tilt them off I would put this in the can't deal damage category. Even if this is allowed if will probably do less than you think, Silent image has a range of 60 ft so you would probably be limited ot moving it 60 ft up (120 with distant spell). Creatures caught in it are likely ot wonder what is happening and examine the image so could also jump off.
You're forgetting: Sorcerer. Extended Spell and Distant Spell. If I needed, I could cast major image. Another idea: Encase them in a sphere and put the sphere in lava or something
Extended spell doesn't work on Illusory Reality. Pretty much none of your combat related ideas work if you actually follow the rules for Illusory Reality. Not sure how you are going to encase someone in a sphere and move it to lava without damaging them. The utility examples you mention are in no way OP.
Also, remember that this is a 14th level ability. 14th level characters are pretty much superheroes. And your example of multiclassing into warlock and Sorcerer brings that to level 18. At which you have 2 sorcery points (and you can only use one metamagic option per spell). So no, an 18th level spellcaster being able to warp the fabric of reality isn't OP. Heck, by that time you could have Wish or True Polymorph...
IR can certainly be very powerful. For example, silent image can make a durable wall, cage or doorstop made of adamantite; 21 AC and a number of hit points based on the objects' size.
Combat? Restrict sightlines, movement and attacks with illusions (wrought fences against melee, solid walls with arrow slits against ranged). Being chased? Insert a solid wall illusion ahead, run through it, then make it real. Cross a gap? Stand aside, conjuror; instant bridge.
Want to take it a step further? Malleable Illusions (level 6 feature) allows you to change the properties of your existing illusions, so long as they meet the requirements of the original spells (probably still need to keep the limitations of IR in mind.) That 10'x10' fake floor you made? It's real, and a round later it's the top of some scaffolding as the rest raises it up from below.
Whilst there are some cool tricks you can do with this ability and it's pretty powerful, these kinds of creatures really aren't going to blink at most of them (and you certainly won't kill them). They'll smash their way through stone, disintegrate your platforms or whatever.
Illusory Reality has some fantastic application for things like putting up stone walls between you and your enemies as cover, and your DM will have to rule on what "directly harm anyone" means. If I create an illusion of a block of ice around someone can I freeze them solid? Probably not as that would involve them suffering Cold damage. Can I root them in cement? I'd rule that anything that causes a condition counts as harming them.
This indirectly may cause harm to them depending on what you or your allies utilise. Nothing in the rules cover that. It doesn’t deal damage or directly harm them. By ruling the way you have, you’re extending the DM scope a bit, imo. The idea here would be to have the opponent waste actions by breaking free. That could help you escape, for example.
Could you turn an Illusory Dragon into an adult dragon?
No, the exact wording of the feature is "When you cast an illusion spell of 1st level or higher, you can choose one inanimate, nonmagical object that is part of the illusion and make that object real." A dragon is most definitely outside of those parameters.
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Basically, is anything stopping me from making a boulder above someone's head, or making the barbarian a new weapon? I'm going for Rules As Intended. If nothing stops me, i can think of half a dozen more ways to abuse this.
Neither of those are abusing Illusory Reality. You probably want to read the whole section on IR, though. Especially the last sentence.
Thx. I'm probs gonna try to be able to cast silent image at will, so i can move stuff around. Now for the promised half a dozen more.
This was a lot harder bc of the last sentence. Still think it's OP and still endears me to the idea of a 14 illusionist wizard, 2 and warlock, 2 any sorcerer build with Misty Visions and either agonizing blast or armor of shadows as my invocations and distant spell and another as my metamagic.
You're forgetting: Sorcerer. Extended Spell and Distant Spell. If I needed, I could cast major image. Another idea: Encase them in a sphere and put the sphere in lava or something
Extended spell doesn't work on Illusory Reality. Pretty much none of your combat related ideas work if you actually follow the rules for Illusory Reality. Not sure how you are going to encase someone in a sphere and move it to lava without damaging them. The utility examples you mention are in no way OP.
Also, remember that this is a 14th level ability. 14th level characters are pretty much superheroes. And your example of multiclassing into warlock and Sorcerer brings that to level 18. At which you have 2 sorcery points (and you can only use one metamagic option per spell). So no, an 18th level spellcaster being able to warp the fabric of reality isn't OP. Heck, by that time you could have Wish or True Polymorph...
IR can certainly be very powerful. For example, silent image can make a durable wall, cage or doorstop made of adamantite; 21 AC and a number of hit points based on the objects' size.
Combat? Restrict sightlines, movement and attacks with illusions (wrought fences against melee, solid walls with arrow slits against ranged). Being chased? Insert a solid wall illusion ahead, run through it, then make it real. Cross a gap? Stand aside, conjuror; instant bridge.
Want to take it a step further? Malleable Illusions (level 6 feature) allows you to change the properties of your existing illusions, so long as they meet the requirements of the original spells (probably still need to keep the limitations of IR in mind.) That 10'x10' fake floor you made? It's real, and a round later it's the top of some scaffolding as the rest raises it up from below.
One more thing: I don't even need to extend IR, even if it were possible: From what I understand, you can use every 10th ba to keep it around.
Sure. There's still nothing OP about it, though.
At 14th level (or 18th with the multiclassing), what kind of enemies do you think you're going up against?
An 18th level party is likely to be taking on pairs of Balors, a Kraken, an ancient red dragon or whole groups of beholders.
Whilst there are some cool tricks you can do with this ability and it's pretty powerful, these kinds of creatures really aren't going to blink at most of them (and you certainly won't kill them). They'll smash their way through stone, disintegrate your platforms or whatever.
Illusory Reality has some fantastic application for things like putting up stone walls between you and your enemies as cover, and your DM will have to rule on what "directly harm anyone" means. If I create an illusion of a block of ice around someone can I freeze them solid? Probably not as that would involve them suffering Cold damage. Can I root them in cement? I'd rule that anything that causes a condition counts as harming them.
Thx 4 all ur opinions! They've helped me see another side to this.
Illusory Reality is known as one of (if not THE) most powerful subclass ability in the game. I would not quite call it broken, though.
This indirectly may cause harm to them depending on what you or your allies utilise. Nothing in the rules cover that. It doesn’t deal damage or directly harm them. By ruling the way you have, you’re extending the DM scope a bit, imo. The idea here would be to have the opponent waste actions by breaking free. That could help you escape, for example.
Could you turn an Illusory Dragon into an adult dragon?
No, the exact wording of the feature is "When you cast an illusion spell of 1st level or higher, you can choose one inanimate, nonmagical object that is part of the illusion and make that object real." A dragon is most definitely outside of those parameters.