I also forgot to mention just how many ways they can enter extremely secure locations without anyone noticing, shapechange and polymorph (for the non metallics) are the main examples. With them being able to be any tiny blue jay in a backyard. Don’t forget that most dragons that live until they are ancient aren’t stupid, they will likely make alliances if they know they cannot beat something. Ancient gold dragons have some of the highest charisma in DnD, so they can probably lie low. So they can take their time and just screw everything up slowly .
Look, it doesn't matter. Tell me your plan, and I'll pick it apart.
Fire? Well, all explosions are fire, but specifically, the most common anti-armor weapons burn at something crazy like 6000 degrees.
Sonic? Sonic is a stupid concept, but if a creature takes damage from thunder, I can guarantee you it takes damage from ordinary explosives too. But let's not go with that. Let's just go with flash-bangs and concussion weapons. We have plenty of those.
What's next?
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I also forgot to mention just how many ways they can enter extremely secure locations without anyone noticing, shapechange and polymorph (for the non metallics) are the main examples. With them being able to be any tiny blue jay in a backyard. Don’t forget that most dragons that live until they are ancient aren’t stupid, they will likely make alliances if they know they cannot beat something. Ancient gold dragons have some of the highest charisma in DnD, so they can probably lie low. So they can take their time and just screw everything up slowly .
And do what, exactly? I'm not denying shape change would grant you some access to the surface level of many installations. So what? What's the dragon going to do there?
Sure it could wreak some damage before it inevitably died, but ... I doubt that's your point. So what does it want? It's not getting any further, there are biometric locks on everything, armed guards, endless security cameras and other measures and fail-safes, and dragons do not survive anti-tank weapons.
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Not to mention that flying isn’t their greatest ability, those that can tunnel and swim are the most dangerous. Think of a tank that can fly and are smarter than humans can ever be. With some having the capability to cast spells, send meteors and kill every political leader in the world by walking up to them without even being seen by anyone.
That sounds super impressive until you realise they'd never get to do any of that, they'd die long before that. We've been over that, I'm not going to make the same argument again.
We are talking about modern, ACTUAL HUMANS, NOT your level 20 bard! dragons have literal gods! they would kill us ALL!!!
I'm sorry. If you get to define the dragons - I get to define the humans. I really hope you see that?
Also, it's either humans v dragons, or anything v anything. Humans have gods too my friend. So either we keep it in a place where there's something to discuss - humans versus dragons - or we let it slip into the realm of nonsense and madness. I'll be party to the first discussion, but not the second.
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How did I forget about religion? sorry if what I said offended any religious person
Edit: and the dragons have many in other D&D universes- so infinite dragons versus 8 Billion humans
I also forgot to mention just how many ways they can enter extremely secure locations without anyone noticing, shapechange and polymorph (for the non metallics) are the main examples. With them being able to be any tiny blue jay in a backyard. Don’t forget that most dragons that live until they are ancient aren’t stupid, they will likely make alliances if they know they cannot beat something. Ancient gold dragons have some of the highest charisma in DnD, so they can probably lie low. So they can take their time and just screw everything up slowly .
And do what, exactly? I'm not denying shape change would grant you some access to the surface level of many installations. So what? What's the dragon going to do there?
Sure it could wreak some damage before it inevitably died, but ... I doubt that's your point. So what does it want? It's not getting any further, there are biometric locks on everything, armed guards, endless security cameras and other measures and fail-safes, and dragons do not survive anti-tank weapons.
To be honest, this works when the dragons take months to learn about modern humans, but the fact that they can turn into a ant and have the same hp and sneak into extremely secure areas could possibly wreak shit up. Like assassinations, learning dangerous secrets and maybe just tick some things around to make people more paranoid and less trusting of each other and make things more politically unstable. Remember, dragons aren’t suicidal, egotistical yes, but not suicidal. So things like metallic dragons can just go around slowly and make things progressively worse for humans while occasionally obliterating important military sites before disappearing with a teleport or turning into a bug.
I also forgot to mention just how many ways they can enter extremely secure locations without anyone noticing, shapechange and polymorph (for the non metallics) are the main examples. With them being able to be any tiny blue jay in a backyard. Don’t forget that most dragons that live until they are ancient aren’t stupid, they will likely make alliances if they know they cannot beat something. Ancient gold dragons have some of the highest charisma in DnD, so they can probably lie low. So they can take their time and just screw everything up slowly .
And do what, exactly? I'm not denying shape change would grant you some access to the surface level of many installations. So what? What's the dragon going to do there?
Sure it could wreak some damage before it inevitably died, but ... I doubt that's your point. So what does it want? It's not getting any further, there are biometric locks on everything, armed guards, endless security cameras and other measures and fail-safes, and dragons do not survive anti-tank weapons.
To be honest, this works when the dragons take months to learn about modern humans, but the fact that they can turn into a ant and have the same hp and sneak into extremely secure areas could possibly wreak shit up. Like assassinations, learning dangerous secrets and maybe just tick some things around to make people more paranoid and less trusting of each other and make things more politically unstable. Remember, dragons aren’t suicidal, egotistical yes, but not suicidal. So things like metallic dragons can just go around slowly and make things progressively worse for humans while occasionally obliterating important military sites before disappear.
what if they crawl into our heads as ants and turn back into dragons?
I also forgot to mention just how many ways they can enter extremely secure locations without anyone noticing, shapechange and polymorph (for the non metallics) are the main examples. With them being able to be any tiny blue jay in a backyard. Don’t forget that most dragons that live until they are ancient aren’t stupid, they will likely make alliances if they know they cannot beat something. Ancient gold dragons have some of the highest charisma in DnD, so they can probably lie low. So they can take their time and just screw everything up slowly .
And do what, exactly? I'm not denying shape change would grant you some access to the surface level of many installations. So what? What's the dragon going to do there?
Sure it could wreak some damage before it inevitably died, but ... I doubt that's your point. So what does it want? It's not getting any further, there are biometric locks on everything, armed guards, endless security cameras and other measures and fail-safes, and dragons do not survive anti-tank weapons.
To be honest, this works when the dragons take months to learn about modern humans, but the fact that they can turn into a ant and have the same hp and sneak into extremely secure areas could possibly wreak shit up. Like assassinations, learning dangerous secrets and maybe just tick some things around to make people more paranoid and less trusting of each other and make things more politically unstable. Remember, dragons aren’t suicidal, egotistical yes, but not suicidal. So things like metallic dragons can just go around slowly and make things progressively worse for humans while occasionally obliterating important military sites before disappear.
what if they crawl into our heads as ants and turn back into dragons?
I think they just pop to the closest place they can appear, but it gives the same result anyway
If that were the question, this would be an entirely different discussion. Could a dragon assassinate someone? Well, yes. No better than a man with a good rifle, but at least - for once - being a dragon isn't a massive detriment.
But to win a war with such pathetic antics? Hopeless. The dragons need to somehow work their way through 8 billion human beings. Like I've said repeatedly, they need to kill 385000 people every day forever - just to keep us from outbreeding them.
They can't win! Jesus. It's literally impossible. If every human being on the planet grouped up for a family snapshot, and the dragons got the jump on us, and had the time and opportunity to do the worst they possibly could, it still wouldn't help them .... at all! Dragons cannot win, because they simply do not possess the ability to kill us quickly enough.
Of course, more than that, we outrange them. Cannon will make mincemeat of dragons at 3km, missiles at at up t0 60km. Even longer for much of our arsenal. Dragons have nothing. Their chances wouldn't be noticably less if they were mounted knights in shining armor.
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If that were the question, this would be an entirely different discussion. Could a dragon assassinate someone? Well, yes. No better than a man with a good rifle, but at least - for once - being a dragon isn't a massive detriment.
But to win a war with such pathetic antics? Hopeless. The dragons need to somehow work their way through 8 billion human beings. Like I've said repeatedly, they need to kill 385000 people every day forever - just to keep us from outbreeding them.
They can't win! Jesus. It's literally impossible. If every human being on the planet grouped up for a family snapshot, and the dragons got the jump on us, and had the time and opportunity to do the worst they possibly could, it still wouldn't help them .... at all! Dragons cannot win, because they simply do not possess the ability to kill us quickly enough.
Of course, more than that, we outrange them. Cannon will make mincemeat of dragons at 3km, missiles at at up t0 60km. Even longer for much of our arsenal. Dragons have nothing. Their chances wouldn't be noticably less if they were mounted knights in shining armor.
they can just explode a room, killing around 10 people, or sometimes 10,000- they just need to destroy all anime conventions, all furry cons, all nerd cons
they can just explode a room, killing around 10 people, or sometimes 10,000- they just need to destroy all anime conventions, all furry cons, all nerd cons
Only they'd never succesfully do any of those things, because they simply cannot get close enough to do so.
Dragons somehow killing 385000 humans a day - while we got none of them - would be a stalemate.
There is simply no realistic - or even imaginable - way they can win.
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they can just explode a room, killing around 10 people, or sometimes 10,000- they just need to destroy all anime conventions, all furry cons, all nerd cons
Only they'd never succesfully do any of those things, because they simply cannot get close enough to do so.
Dragons somehow killing 385000 humans a day - while we got none of them - would be a stalemate.
There is simply no realistic - or even imaginable - way they can win.
I mean, they could just go for food and water supplies, not to mention that if summoning spells are allowed, they don’t even need to do any real work and just summon a invisible stalker to kill Kim Jong Un.
Also, they aren’t just going to kill random idiots in their homes, they can go for important political figures, agricultural areas and different sources of energy. You can’t exactly breed more politicians and dams in a few weeks.
they can just explode a room, killing around 10 people, or sometimes 10,000- they just need to destroy all anime conventions, all furry cons, all nerd cons
Only they'd never succesfully do any of those things, because they simply cannot get close enough to do so.
Dragons somehow killing 385000 humans a day - while we got none of them - would be a stalemate.
There is simply no realistic - or even imaginable - way they can win.
I mean, they could just go for food and water supplies, not to mention that if summoning spells are allowed, they don’t even need to do any real work and just summon a invisible stalker to kill Kim Jong Un.
Also, they aren’t just going to kill random idiots in their homes, they can go for important political figures, agricultural areas and different sources of energy. You can’t exactly breed more politicians and dams in a few weeks.
the 10,000 would be a important event with important people...
The fact that metallic dragons can shapechange would force governments to increase security to a ridiculous degree or have a dragon obliterate some of the most important people in seconds. Which would need people to be paranoid as all hell around any animals around them. Not to mention the fact that those that have access to the teleport spell could just go to the gates of a really important location as a human or animal (,or have animal spies depending on the dragon), grab a pebble or stick from there and have a once per day access to a extremely important site.
It can get ridiculous if multiple dragons work together, as it allows them to easily gain quick access to multiple places that are needed to effectively fight them. And when they are done wiping dams, the White House and factories off the face of the earth, they could group up again and teleport back to a comfortable house in a forest and assume human identities.
Also, which world are we going to constrain ourself to? Because 100 billion worth of dragons would be overkill. Maybe just the forgotten realms and its solar system? So we can get a few solar and lunar dragons, maybe even a time dragon or two.
I mean, they could just go for food and water supplies, not to mention that if summoning spells are allowed, they don’t even need to do any real work and just summon a invisible stalker to kill Kim Jong Un.
Also, they aren’t just going to kill random idiots in their homes, they can go for important political figures, agricultural areas and different sources of energy. You can’t exactly breed more politicians and dams in a few weeks.
Yes, those would be amazing ideas - if the conflict wasn't so incredibly one-sided. The dragons would never get anywhere near any kind of critical infrastructure, because the range of a spell is maybe ... what, 300 feet? While the range of even the simplest weapon is +3km.
The fact that metallic dragons can shapechange would force governments to increase security to a ridiculous degree or have a dragon obliterate some of the most important people in seconds. Which would need people to be paranoid as all hell around any animals around them. Not to mention the fact that those that have access to the teleport spell could just go to the gates of a really important location as a human or animal (,or have animal spies depending on the dragon), grab a pebble or stick from there and have a once per day access to a extremely important site.
It can get ridiculous if multiple dragons work together, as it allows them to easily gain quick access to multiple places that are needed to effectively fight them. And when they are done wiping dams, the White House and factories off the face of the earth, they could group up again and teleport back to a comfortable house in a forest and assume human identities.
It's a war - security is norm. And yes, dragons could find various forms of advanced suicide by sneaking into places they'd never get out of again. Potentially. I honestly don't give dragons much of a chance to bypass modern security. So mostly, they'd go somewhere to be shredded by security wielding anti-armor weaponry - and occasionally, they'd take out a high value target before getting shredded by security wielding anti-armor weaponry.
Either way, the dragons lose. There aren't enough of them to go around, they cannot replenish their numbers, they cannot fight us on even terms, and should they make some daring commando raid, they cannot get out again alive.
Dragons simply cannot win. There is no way. It is quite literally impossible.
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I mean, they could just go for food and water supplies, not to mention that if summoning spells are allowed, they don’t even need to do any real work and just summon a invisible stalker to kill Kim Jong Un.
Also, they aren’t just going to kill random idiots in their homes, they can go for important political figures, agricultural areas and different sources of energy. You can’t exactly breed more politicians and dams in a few weeks.
Yes, those would be amazing ideas - if the conflict wasn't so incredibly one-sided. The dragons would never get anywhere near any kind of critical infrastructure, because the range of a spell is maybe ... what, 300 feet? While the range of even the simplest weapon is +3km.
The fact that metallic dragons can shapechange would force governments to increase security to a ridiculous degree or have a dragon obliterate some of the most important people in seconds. Which would need people to be paranoid as all hell around any animals around them. Not to mention the fact that those that have access to the teleport spell could just go to the gates of a really important location as a human or animal (,or have animal spies depending on the dragon), grab a pebble or stick from there and have a once per day access to a extremely important site.
It can get ridiculous if multiple dragons work together, as it allows them to easily gain quick access to multiple places that are needed to effectively fight them. And when they are done wiping dams, the White House and factories off the face of the earth, they could group up again and teleport back to a comfortable house in a forest and assume human identities.
It's a war - security is norm. And yes, dragons could find various forms of advanced suicide by sneaking into places they'd never get out of again. Potentially. I honestly don't give dragons much of a chance to bypass modern security. So mostly, they'd go somewhere to be shredded by security wielding anti-armor weaponry - and occasionally, they'd take out a high value target before getting shredded by security wielding anti-armor weaponry.
Either way, the dragons lose. There aren't enough of them to go around, they cannot replenish their numbers, they cannot fight us on even terms, and should they make some daring commando raid, they cannot get out again alive.
Dragons simply cannot win. There is no way. It is quite literally impossible.
So they are going to waste ammo on a spider in the middle of a war room? Not to mention that these metallics have the equivalent of constant polymorph (,with no hp gain) and breaths that range from sleep, slowing and paralysis breaths to instant death. There is no way that a dragon won’t win inside a war room if it doesn’t act like a complete idiot. Also Farie dragons can become invisible at will, are as small or smaller than cats and can turn themselves or anyone else (with a dc of 13) into a beast with a cr of or less than the target.
Dragons simply cannot win. There is no way. It is quite literally impossible.
Most ancient Dragons typically have Einstein levels of intelligence and much more charisma than any human. This would enable then to do things like
Get a significant number of followers
Start a "fake news" campaign pulling one group of humans against another eventually resulting a a war where the humans wipe each other out or at leastcexhaust the supply of modern weapons.
In human form go into politics and in a few years become POTUS at which point they have control of the most powerful weapons (they would also persuade people to revoke the 22nd amendment). If you doubt the plausibility of this read about the rise of Hitler.
Dragons simply cannot win. There is no way. It is quite literally impossible.
Most ancient Dragons typically have Einstein levels of intelligence and much more charisma than any human. This would enable then to do things like
Get a significant number of followers
Start a "fake news" campaign pulling one group of humans against another eventually resulting a a war where the humans wipe each other out or at leastcexhaust the supply of modern weapons.
In human form go into politics and in a few years become POTUS at which point they have control of the most powerful weapons (they would also persuade people to revoke the 22nd amendment). If you doubt the plausibility of this read about the rise of Hitler.
This is a really good explanation. Dragons aren’t just brawn, they have insane brains. Not to mention that they have tasted extinction before. They fought empires of giants and elves, with the former war causing both to be so rare.
It doesn’t matter if you think that dragons integrating themselves into humans means they lose. That implies that all spies that integrate themselves into a enemy nation never work.
Ancient dragons are actually BEYOND humans in terms of intelligence, wisdom and charisma, depending on which type. The max a normal person can get without magic or blessings is a 20.
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I also forgot to mention just how many ways they can enter extremely secure locations without anyone noticing, shapechange and polymorph (for the non metallics) are the main examples. With them being able to be any tiny blue jay in a backyard. Don’t forget that most dragons that live until they are ancient aren’t stupid, they will likely make alliances if they know they cannot beat something. Ancient gold dragons have some of the highest charisma in DnD, so they can probably lie low. So they can take their time and just screw everything up slowly .
Look, it doesn't matter. Tell me your plan, and I'll pick it apart.
Fire? Well, all explosions are fire, but specifically, the most common anti-armor weapons burn at something crazy like 6000 degrees.
Sonic? Sonic is a stupid concept, but if a creature takes damage from thunder, I can guarantee you it takes damage from ordinary explosives too. But let's not go with that. Let's just go with flash-bangs and concussion weapons. We have plenty of those.
What's next?
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
And do what, exactly? I'm not denying shape change would grant you some access to the surface level of many installations. So what? What's the dragon going to do there?
Sure it could wreak some damage before it inevitably died, but ... I doubt that's your point. So what does it want? It's not getting any further, there are biometric locks on everything, armed guards, endless security cameras and other measures and fail-safes, and dragons do not survive anti-tank weapons.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
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How did I forget about religion? sorry if what I said offended any religious person
Edit: and the dragons have many in other D&D universes- so infinite dragons versus 8 Billion humans
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To be honest, this works when the dragons take months to learn about modern humans, but the fact that they can turn into a ant and have the same hp and sneak into extremely secure areas could possibly wreak shit up. Like assassinations, learning dangerous secrets and maybe just tick some things around to make people more paranoid and less trusting of each other and make things more politically unstable. Remember, dragons aren’t suicidal, egotistical yes, but not suicidal. So things like metallic dragons can just go around slowly and make things progressively worse for humans while occasionally obliterating important military sites before disappearing with a teleport or turning into a bug.
what if they crawl into our heads as ants and turn back into dragons?
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I think they just pop to the closest place they can appear, but it gives the same result anyway
If that were the question, this would be an entirely different discussion. Could a dragon assassinate someone? Well, yes. No better than a man with a good rifle, but at least - for once - being a dragon isn't a massive detriment.
But to win a war with such pathetic antics? Hopeless. The dragons need to somehow work their way through 8 billion human beings. Like I've said repeatedly, they need to kill 385000 people every day forever - just to keep us from outbreeding them.
They can't win! Jesus. It's literally impossible. If every human being on the planet grouped up for a family snapshot, and the dragons got the jump on us, and had the time and opportunity to do the worst they possibly could, it still wouldn't help them .... at all! Dragons cannot win, because they simply do not possess the ability to kill us quickly enough.
Of course, more than that, we outrange them. Cannon will make mincemeat of dragons at 3km, missiles at at up t0 60km. Even longer for much of our arsenal. Dragons have nothing. Their chances wouldn't be noticably less if they were mounted knights in shining armor.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
they can just explode a room, killing around 10 people, or sometimes 10,000- they just need to destroy all anime conventions, all furry cons, all nerd cons
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Only they'd never succesfully do any of those things, because they simply cannot get close enough to do so.
Dragons somehow killing 385000 humans a day - while we got none of them - would be a stalemate.
There is simply no realistic - or even imaginable - way they can win.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
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Henlo, I am a pan, NB, chaotic ADHD mess of a furry.
I am also a eepy eeper, who likes WoF, WC, and fire.
I mean, they could just go for food and water supplies, not to mention that if summoning spells are allowed, they don’t even need to do any real work and just summon a invisible stalker to kill Kim Jong Un.
Also, they aren’t just going to kill random idiots in their homes, they can go for important political figures, agricultural areas and different sources of energy. You can’t exactly breed more politicians and dams in a few weeks.
the 10,000 would be a important event with important people...
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Henlo, I am a pan, NB, chaotic ADHD mess of a furry.
I am also a eepy eeper, who likes WoF, WC, and fire.
The fact that metallic dragons can shapechange would force governments to increase security to a ridiculous degree or have a dragon obliterate some of the most important people in seconds. Which would need people to be paranoid as all hell around any animals around them. Not to mention the fact that those that have access to the teleport spell could just go to the gates of a really important location as a human or animal (,or have animal spies depending on the dragon), grab a pebble or stick from there and have a once per day access to a extremely important site.
It can get ridiculous if multiple dragons work together, as it allows them to easily gain quick access to multiple places that are needed to effectively fight them. And when they are done wiping dams, the White House and factories off the face of the earth, they could group up again and teleport back to a comfortable house in a forest and assume human identities.
Also, which world are we going to constrain ourself to? Because 100 billion worth of dragons would be overkill. Maybe just the forgotten realms and its solar system? So we can get a few solar and lunar dragons, maybe even a time dragon or two.
Yes, those would be amazing ideas - if the conflict wasn't so incredibly one-sided. The dragons would never get anywhere near any kind of critical infrastructure, because the range of a spell is maybe ... what, 300 feet? While the range of even the simplest weapon is +3km.
It's a war - security is norm. And yes, dragons could find various forms of advanced suicide by sneaking into places they'd never get out of again. Potentially. I honestly don't give dragons much of a chance to bypass modern security. So mostly, they'd go somewhere to be shredded by security wielding anti-armor weaponry - and occasionally, they'd take out a high value target before getting shredded by security wielding anti-armor weaponry.
Either way, the dragons lose. There aren't enough of them to go around, they cannot replenish their numbers, they cannot fight us on even terms, and should they make some daring commando raid, they cannot get out again alive.
Dragons simply cannot win. There is no way. It is quite literally impossible.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
So they are going to waste ammo on a spider in the middle of a war room? Not to mention that these metallics have the equivalent of constant polymorph (,with no hp gain) and breaths that range from sleep, slowing and paralysis breaths to instant death. There is no way that a dragon won’t win inside a war room if it doesn’t act like a complete idiot. Also Farie dragons can become invisible at will, are as small or smaller than cats and can turn themselves or anyone else (with a dc of 13) into a beast with a cr of or less than the target.
Most ancient Dragons typically have Einstein levels of intelligence and much more charisma than any human. This would enable then to do things like
This is a really good explanation. Dragons aren’t just brawn, they have insane brains. Not to mention that they have tasted extinction before. They fought empires of giants and elves, with the former war causing both to be so rare.
It doesn’t matter if you think that dragons integrating themselves into humans means they lose. That implies that all spies that integrate themselves into a enemy nation never work.
Ancient dragons are actually BEYOND humans in terms of intelligence, wisdom and charisma, depending on which type. The max a normal person can get without magic or blessings is a 20.