If a bunch of wizards wanted to destroy our world, all they'd have to do is sit on a beach sipping piña coladas and wait. We're doing pretty good without their help.
I have the feeling humanity will survive it well enough, it’s a heavy blow for sure but no where near enough to subjugate humanity or whatever, we slaughter animals by the tens of thousands the moment we get a whiff of anything off with them, and the theoretical plant disease is pretty damn vague, so unless you all have any more details, we can’t really talk about how effective it would be.
Really? Another example: dealing damage to somebody is not the same as using inflict wounds, despite the name.
Also, your final point is just a claim. Maybe a DM wouldn't allow that. If so, the other 998 wizards would do smaller wishes. ("I wish for all [material] within 100 miles to be ruined")
Now all the metal around the area has mild rust around them, oh no, the travesty, not like multiple metals are immune to being tarnished, like gold, platinum, palladium and stainless steel. Also what is the thought process behind this? Why not target large chunks of agricultural land, which would actually screw things up, instead of forcing everyone to get a shot for tetanus.
I have no idea why you would ever target the economy instead of everything that holds said economy up, why not cast fire storm on a massive field of wheat or whatever, cause forest fires beyond comprehension, not be the newest create of magic missile coin or whatever.
If all metal must be ruined, and tarnishing all metal that can be tarnished doesn't do that, then that's not what that wish would do.
This would be targeting the military by ruining 99.9% of their weaponry.
Fire storm would not be that effective really. We have firefighting planes, that drop over 1,000 gallons of water or fire retardant on the field.
If all metal must be ruined, and tarnishing all metal that can be tarnished doesn't do that, then that's not what that wish would do.
This would be targeting the military by ruining 99.9% of their weaponry.
Fire storm would not be that effective really. We have firefighting planes, that drop over 1,000 gallons of water or fire retardant on the field.
Carbon and obsidian knifes are gonna see some use lol. Also this implies the wizard is somehow in the middle of a military site, hasn’t been electrocuted by a fat security guard and the wish interpreted the spell in such a way that the metal in a 100 mile radius is all ruined, which let me just tell you, would require a real nutty amount of power (hint: you got metal inside the ground as well).
That’s a lot of ifs you're assuming, not to mention the wish side effect of only being able to carry 60 pounds and looking like a well done steak (necrotic damage) after casting a few spells.
Also the firefighting planes only work IF they have the time to take off towards that location, it’s not gonna unburn the fields after they have been burning for 30 minutes. Here’s a smarter idea, kidnap the president or something, make a simulacrum of him, request a ransom and give them the simulacrum instead, get a bunch of spells up to probe knowledge on the president and send it to the simulacrum via telepathy, boom, you got a inside man who can help make just slightly sub optimal orders to help your fellow wizards out,
If all metal must be ruined, and tarnishing all metal that can be tarnished doesn't do that, then that's not what that wish would do.
This would be targeting the military by ruining 99.9% of their weaponry.
Fire storm would not be that effective really. We have firefighting planes, that drop over 1,000 gallons of water or fire retardant on the field.
Carbon and obsidian knifes are gonna see some use lol. Also this implies the wizard is somehow in the middle of a military site, hasn’t been electrocuted by a fat security guard and the wish interpreted the spell in such a way that the metal in a 100 mile radius is all ruined, which let me just tell you, would require a real nutty amount of power (hint: you got metal inside the ground as well).
That’s a lot of ifs you're assuming, not to mention the wish side effect of only being able to carry 60 pounds and looking like a well done steak (necrotic damage) after casting a few spells.
Also the firefighting planes only work IF they have the time to take off towards that location, it’s not gonna unburn the fields after they have been burning for 30 minutes. Here’s a smarter idea, kidnap the president or something, make a simulacrum of him, request a ransom and give them the simulacrum instead, get a bunch of spells up to probe knowledge on the president and send it to the simulacrum via telepathy, boom, you got a inside man who can help make just slightly sub optimal orders to help your fellow wizards out,
500 mile radius cylinder 1,000 foot height. A few wizards do that, that's all of Europe.
Oh, and while we're discussing the possibility of using a Wish spell to ruin or tarnish all metal within a certain radius, let's remember . . .
We have iron in our blood. Without cobalt we cannot produce red blood cells. Cobalt's a metal. Without calcium and magnesium, our bones become dust. Calcium and magnesium are both metals. Without potassium we can't maintain a steady heartbeat. Potassium is a metal. Without sodium and copper, our neurons can't transmit electrical impulses. Sodium and copper are both metals.
It's a darn good thing the Heat Metal spell only works on manufactured objects!
Oh, and while we're discussing the possibility of using a Wish spell to ruin or tarnish all metal within a certain radius, let's remember . . .
We have iron in our blood. Without cobalt we cannot produce red blood cells. Cobalt's a metal. Without calcium and magnesium, our bones become dust. Calcium and magnesium are both metals. Without potassium we can't maintain a steady heartbeat. Potassium is a metal. Without sodium and copper, our neurons can't transmit electrical impulses. Sodium and copper are both metals.
It's a darn good thing the Heat Metal spell only works on manufactured objects!
Yea that would definitely make wish unfeasible, seeing that it can’t directly harm anyone (only via 8th level spell or lower). If it could do that without targeting the caster that would be quite possibly the most terrifying thing you would ever see.
Oh, and while we're discussing the possibility of using a Wish spell to ruin or tarnish all metal within a certain radius, let's remember . . .
We have iron in our blood. Without cobalt we cannot produce red blood cells. Cobalt's a metal. Without calcium and magnesium, our bones become dust. Calcium and magnesium are both metals. Without potassium we can't maintain a steady heartbeat. Potassium is a metal. Without sodium and copper, our neurons can't transmit electrical impulses. Sodium and copper are both metals.
It's a darn good thing the Heat Metal spell only works on manufactured objects!
Yea that would definitely make wish unfeasible, seeing that it can’t directly harm anyone (only via 8th level spell or lower). If it could do that without targeting the caster that would be quite possibly the most terrifying thing you would ever see.
Where does it say in wish it can't directly harm anyone?
Oh, and while we're discussing the possibility of using a Wish spell to ruin or tarnish all metal within a certain radius, let's remember . . .
We have iron in our blood. Without cobalt we cannot produce red blood cells. Cobalt's a metal. Without calcium and magnesium, our bones become dust. Calcium and magnesium are both metals. Without potassium we can't maintain a steady heartbeat. Potassium is a metal. Without sodium and copper, our neurons can't transmit electrical impulses. Sodium and copper are both metals.
It's a darn good thing the Heat Metal spell only works on manufactured objects!
A better wish would probably be for manufactured metal only.
Oh, and while we're discussing the possibility of using a Wish spell to ruin or tarnish all metal within a certain radius, let's remember . . .
We have iron in our blood. Without cobalt we cannot produce red blood cells. Cobalt's a metal. Without calcium and magnesium, our bones become dust. Calcium and magnesium are both metals. Without potassium we can't maintain a steady heartbeat. Potassium is a metal. Without sodium and copper, our neurons can't transmit electrical impulses. Sodium and copper are both metals.
It's a darn good thing the Heat Metal spell only works on manufactured objects!
Yea that would definitely make wish unfeasible, seeing that it can’t directly harm anyone (only via 8th level spell or lower). If it could do that without targeting the caster that would be quite possibly the most terrifying thing you would ever see.
Where does it say in wish it can't directly harm anyone?
“Object Creation. You create one object of up to 25,000 GP in value that isn’t a magic item. The object can be no more than 300 feet in any dimension, and it appears in an unoccupied space that you can see on the ground.
Instant Health. You allow yourself and up to twenty creatures that you can see to regain all Hit Points, and you end all effects on them listed in the Greater Restoration spell.
Resistance. You grant up to ten creatures that you can see Resistance to one damage type that you choose. This Resistance is permanent.
Spell Immunity. You grant up to ten creatures you can see immunity to a single spell or other magical effect for 8 hours.
Sudden Learning. You replace one of your feats with another feat for which you are eligible. You lose all the benefits of the old feat and gain the benefits of the new one. You can’t replace a feat that is a prerequisite for any of your other feats or features.
Roll Redo. You undo a single recent event by forcing a reroll of any die roll made within the last round (including your last turn). Reality reshapes itself to accommodate the new result. For example, a Wish spell could undo an ally’s failed saving throw or a foe’s Critical Hit. You can force the reroll to be made with Advantage or Disadvantage, and you choose whether to use the reroll or the original roll.”
On the other end, there’s nothing in the spell that states it CAN harm anyone, the object appears in unoccupied ground and all the options that aren’t going to activate wish going wild are all buff based effects. If you wish for a guy to die, the wish is probably gonna act like a Disintegrate targeted them for ease of convenience. When I said it can’t harm anyone I said an exception was replicating a spell, please tell me a 8th level spell or lower of 5th edition capable of that range, devastation and reality warping please, because that’s some actual 10th level or higher stuff.
Guys come on. We're talking over a million magic missiles a day.
You honestly have a good point, it’s simple, easy to use and never misses. It’s basically the perfect murder weapon, The only problems are that some people might have enough health to survive such a spell, be it soldiers or other types similar to them, full cover also counters this, but it’s still a pretty damn good spell to use.
5th level wizards could also make glyphs of wardings and just plant near invisible explosives everywhere, rope tricks for temporary rest and a bunch of other stuff to make them tricky to handle, I don’t see why they would ever focus on our military's power, they can’t ever compete with it, so if they can’t beat it, they won’t ever fight on fair terms.
Oh, and while we're discussing the possibility of using a Wish spell to ruin or tarnish all metal within a certain radius, let's remember . . .
We have iron in our blood. Without cobalt we cannot produce red blood cells. Cobalt's a metal. Without calcium and magnesium, our bones become dust. Calcium and magnesium are both metals. Without potassium we can't maintain a steady heartbeat. Potassium is a metal. Without sodium and copper, our neurons can't transmit electrical impulses. Sodium and copper are both metals.
It's a darn good thing the Heat Metal spell only works on manufactured objects!
Yea that would definitely make wish unfeasible, seeing that it can’t directly harm anyone (only via 8th level spell or lower). If it could do that without targeting the caster that would be quite possibly the most terrifying thing you would ever see.
Where does it say in wish it can't directly harm anyone?
“Object Creation. You create one object of up to 25,000 GP in value that isn’t a magic item. The object can be no more than 300 feet in any dimension, and it appears in an unoccupied space that you can see on the ground.
Instant Health. You allow yourself and up to twenty creatures that you can see to regain all Hit Points, and you end all effects on them listed in the Greater Restoration spell.
Resistance. You grant up to ten creatures that you can see Resistance to one damage type that you choose. This Resistance is permanent.
Spell Immunity. You grant up to ten creatures you can see immunity to a single spell or other magical effect for 8 hours.
Sudden Learning. You replace one of your feats with another feat for which you are eligible. You lose all the benefits of the old feat and gain the benefits of the new one. You can’t replace a feat that is a prerequisite for any of your other feats or features.
Roll Redo. You undo a single recent event by forcing a reroll of any die roll made within the last round (including your last turn). Reality reshapes itself to accommodate the new result. For example, a Wish spell could undo an ally’s failed saving throw or a foe’s Critical Hit. You can force the reroll to be made with Advantage or Disadvantage, and you choose whether to use the reroll or the original roll.”
On the other end, there’s nothing in the spell that states it CAN harm anyone, the object appears in unoccupied ground and all the options that aren’t going to activate wish going wild are all buff based effects. If you wish for a guy to die, the wish is probably gonna act like a Disintegrate targeted them for ease of convenience. When I said it can’t harm anyone I said an exception was replicating a spell, please tell me a 8th level spell or lower of 5th edition capable of that range, devastation and reality warping please, because that’s some actual 10th level or higher stuff.
You left out the part about reshaping reality.
"Reshape Reality. You may wish for something not included in any of the other effects. To do so, state your wish to the DM as precisely as possible. The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might be achieved only in part, or you might suffer an unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish. For example, wishing that a villain were dead might propel you forward in time to a period when that villain is no longer alive, effectively removing you from the game. Similarly, wishing for a Legendary magic item or an Artifact might instantly transport you to the presence of the item’s current owner. If your wish is granted and its effects have consequences for a whole community, region, or world, you are likely to attract powerful foes. If your wish would affect a god, the god’s divine servants might instantly intervene to prevent it or to encourage you to craft the wish in a particular way. If your wish would undo the multiverse itself, threaten the City of Sigil, or affect the Lady of Pain in any way, you see an image of her in your mind for a moment; she shakes her head, and your wish fails."
Also, your logic makes no sense. Some uses of a spell can be better than others. Unless you're saying that because 8th = weak, 9th = weak?
"Reshape Reality. You may wish for something not included in any of the other effects. To do so, state your wish to the DM as precisely as possible. The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might be achieved only in part, or you might suffer an unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish. For example, wishing that a villain were dead might propel you forward in time to a period when that villain is no longer alive, effectively removing you from the game. Similarly, wishing for a Legendary magic item or an Artifact might instantly transport you to the presence of the item’s current owner. If your wish is granted and its effects have consequences for a whole community, region, or world, you are likely to attract powerful foes. If your wish would affect a god, the god’s divine servants might instantly intervene to prevent it or to encourage you to craft the wish in a particular way. If your wish would undo the multiverse itself, threaten the City of Sigil, or affect the Lady of Pain in any way, you see an image of her in your mind for a moment; she shakes her head, and your wish fails."
Also, your logic makes no sense. Some uses of a spell can be better than others. Unless you're saying that because 8th = weak, 9th = weak?
Oh wow, please bless my mortal mind with the mechanics of the best spell on this universe, surely Wish should deal more devastating damage than the spell literally designed to obliterate castles known as Meteor Swarm, which surely has the range of 1000 miles and can instantly pin point target anyone in existence that dare questions your magical might.
Or maybe it should replicate Storm of Vengeance, which has the devastating range of a 300 feet radius, that is nearly 200 times the amount of a mile, oh goodness, and totally not a way for your spell to blow up in your face because your Wish is too scared to question your unbreakable logic. (In case the sarcasm is too deep, Wish isn’t designed to be a nation destroyer spell, it’s a reality bending spell to get you results you can’t get with other 9th level spells, it’s a I want to own a large parcel of land, or create a magical academy with all sorts of impressive and vital magical knowledge out of thin air in order to teach other wizards, not everyone I don’t like dies).
"Reshape Reality. You may wish for something not included in any of the other effects. To do so, state your wish to the DM as precisely as possible. The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might be achieved only in part, or you might suffer an unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish. For example, wishing that a villain were dead might propel you forward in time to a period when that villain is no longer alive, effectively removing you from the game. Similarly, wishing for a Legendary magic item or an Artifact might instantly transport you to the presence of the item’s current owner. If your wish is granted and its effects have consequences for a whole community, region, or world, you are likely to attract powerful foes. If your wish would affect a god, the god’s divine servants might instantly intervene to prevent it or to encourage you to craft the wish in a particular way. If your wish would undo the multiverse itself, threaten the City of Sigil, or affect the Lady of Pain in any way, you see an image of her in your mind for a moment; she shakes her head, and your wish fails."
Also, your logic makes no sense. Some uses of a spell can be better than others. Unless you're saying that because 8th = weak, 9th = weak?
Oh wow, please bless my mortal mind with the mechanics of the best spell on this universe, surely Wish should deal more devastating damage than the spell literally designed to obliterate castles known as Meteor Swarm, which surely has the range of 1000 miles and can instantly pin point target anyone in existence that dare questions your magical might.
Or maybe it should replicate Storm of Vengeance, which has the devastating range of a 300 feet radius, that is nearly 200 times the amount of a mile, oh goodness, and totally not a way for your spell to blow up in your face because your Wish is too scared to question your unbreakable logic. (In case the sarcasm is too deep, Wish isn’t designed to be a nation destroyer spell, it’s a reality bending spell to get you results you can’t get with other 9th level spells, it’s a I want to own a large parcel of land, or create a magical academy with all sorts of impressive and vital magical knowledge out of thin air in order to teach other wizards, not everyone I don’t like dies).
Nation destroying is a result you can't get with other 9th level spells. Also, each wish only needs to be ~1/3,000th of a nation destruction.
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Magical plant disease? Wish spells?
If a bunch of wizards wanted to destroy our world, all they'd have to do is sit on a beach sipping piña coladas and wait. We're doing pretty good without their help.
Anzio Faro. Protector Aasimar light cleric. Lvl 18.
Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
I have the feeling humanity will survive it well enough, it’s a heavy blow for sure but no where near enough to subjugate humanity or whatever, we slaughter animals by the tens of thousands the moment we get a whiff of anything off with them, and the theoretical plant disease is pretty damn vague, so unless you all have any more details, we can’t really talk about how effective it would be.
Carbon and obsidian knifes are gonna see some use lol. Also this implies the wizard is somehow in the middle of a military site, hasn’t been electrocuted by a fat security guard and the wish interpreted the spell in such a way that the metal in a 100 mile radius is all ruined, which let me just tell you, would require a real nutty amount of power (hint: you got metal inside the ground as well).
That’s a lot of ifs you're assuming, not to mention the wish side effect of only being able to carry 60 pounds and looking like a well done steak (necrotic damage) after casting a few spells.
Also the firefighting planes only work IF they have the time to take off towards that location, it’s not gonna unburn the fields after they have been burning for 30 minutes. Here’s a smarter idea, kidnap the president or something, make a simulacrum of him, request a ransom and give them the simulacrum instead, get a bunch of spells up to probe knowledge on the president and send it to the simulacrum via telepathy, boom, you got a inside man who can help make just slightly sub optimal orders to help your fellow wizards out,
500 mile radius cylinder 1,000 foot height. A few wizards do that, that's all of Europe.
What spell has a 500 mile radius?
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Oh, and while we're discussing the possibility of using a Wish spell to ruin or tarnish all metal within a certain radius, let's remember . . .
We have iron in our blood. Without cobalt we cannot produce red blood cells. Cobalt's a metal. Without calcium and magnesium, our bones become dust. Calcium and magnesium are both metals. Without potassium we can't maintain a steady heartbeat. Potassium is a metal. Without sodium and copper, our neurons can't transmit electrical impulses. Sodium and copper are both metals.
It's a darn good thing the Heat Metal spell only works on manufactured objects!
Anzio Faro. Protector Aasimar light cleric. Lvl 18.
Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
Yea that would definitely make wish unfeasible, seeing that it can’t directly harm anyone (only via 8th level spell or lower). If it could do that without targeting the caster that would be quite possibly the most terrifying thing you would ever see.
wish lol. Also scrying and teleport are anywhere on the same plane.
Where does it say in wish it can't directly harm anyone?
A better wish would probably be for manufactured metal only.
Some folks should increase their education in world cultures and affairs.
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“Object Creation. You create one object of up to 25,000 GP in value that isn’t a magic item. The object can be no more than 300 feet in any dimension, and it appears in an unoccupied space that you can see on the ground.
Instant Health. You allow yourself and up to twenty creatures that you can see to regain all Hit Points, and you end all effects on them listed in the Greater Restoration spell.
Resistance. You grant up to ten creatures that you can see Resistance to one damage type that you choose. This Resistance is permanent.
Spell Immunity. You grant up to ten creatures you can see immunity to a single spell or other magical effect for 8 hours.
Sudden Learning. You replace one of your feats with another feat for which you are eligible. You lose all the benefits of the old feat and gain the benefits of the new one. You can’t replace a feat that is a prerequisite for any of your other feats or features.
Roll Redo. You undo a single recent event by forcing a reroll of any die roll made within the last round (including your last turn). Reality reshapes itself to accommodate the new result. For example, a Wish spell could undo an ally’s failed saving throw or a foe’s Critical Hit. You can force the reroll to be made with Advantage or Disadvantage, and you choose whether to use the reroll or the original roll.”
On the other end, there’s nothing in the spell that states it CAN harm anyone, the object appears in unoccupied ground and all the options that aren’t going to activate wish going wild are all buff based effects. If you wish for a guy to die, the wish is probably gonna act like a Disintegrate targeted them for ease of convenience. When I said it can’t harm anyone I said an exception was replicating a spell, please tell me a 8th level spell or lower of 5th edition capable of that range, devastation and reality warping please, because that’s some actual 10th level or higher stuff.
Guys come on. We're talking over a million magic missiles a day.
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You honestly have a good point, it’s simple, easy to use and never misses. It’s basically the perfect murder weapon, The only problems are that some people might have enough health to survive such a spell, be it soldiers or other types similar to them, full cover also counters this, but it’s still a pretty damn good spell to use.
5th level wizards could also make glyphs of wardings and just plant near invisible explosives everywhere, rope tricks for temporary rest and a bunch of other stuff to make them tricky to handle, I don’t see why they would ever focus on our military's power, they can’t ever compete with it, so if they can’t beat it, they won’t ever fight on fair terms.
None of which have radius. That's very different from range. I ask again, what spell has a 500 mile radius area of effect?
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
wish
You left out the part about reshaping reality.
"Reshape Reality. You may wish for something not included in any of the other effects. To do so, state your wish to the DM as precisely as possible. The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. This spell might simply fail, the effect you desire might be achieved only in part, or you might suffer an unforeseen consequence as a result of how you worded the wish. For example, wishing that a villain were dead might propel you forward in time to a period when that villain is no longer alive, effectively removing you from the game. Similarly, wishing for a Legendary magic item or an Artifact might instantly transport you to the presence of the item’s current owner. If your wish is granted and its effects have consequences for a whole community, region, or world, you are likely to attract powerful foes. If your wish would affect a god, the god’s divine servants might instantly intervene to prevent it or to encourage you to craft the wish in a particular way. If your wish would undo the multiverse itself, threaten the City of Sigil, or affect the Lady of Pain in any way, you see an image of her in your mind for a moment; she shakes her head, and your wish fails."
Also, your logic makes no sense. Some uses of a spell can be better than others. Unless you're saying that because 8th = weak, 9th = weak?
Oh wow, please bless my mortal mind with the mechanics of the best spell on this universe, surely Wish should deal more devastating damage than the spell literally designed to obliterate castles known as Meteor Swarm, which surely has the range of 1000 miles and can instantly pin point target anyone in existence that dare questions your magical might.
Or maybe it should replicate Storm of Vengeance, which has the devastating range of a 300 feet radius, that is nearly 200 times the amount of a mile, oh goodness, and totally not a way for your spell to blow up in your face because your Wish is too scared to question your unbreakable logic. (In case the sarcasm is too deep, Wish isn’t designed to be a nation destroyer spell, it’s a reality bending spell to get you results you can’t get with other 9th level spells, it’s a I want to own a large parcel of land, or create a magical academy with all sorts of impressive and vital magical knowledge out of thin air in order to teach other wizards, not everyone I don’t like dies).
Nation destroying is a result you can't get with other 9th level spells. Also, each wish only needs to be ~1/3,000th of a nation destruction.