None of which have radius. That's very different from range. I ask again, what spell has a 500 mile radius area of effect?
wish
Please provide a quote where it says that. Because I can't find that anywhere in the spell's description.
What I can find is this:
The DM has great latitude in ruling what occurs in such an instance; the greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong.
And if you think you're going to use Wish as a means of destroying an area larger than the state of Colorado, you'd better believe that things will go wrong.
Yeah, but at least 1/3,000 will work, and that's game over.
Okay, you're just making up numbers that aren't based on anything. This thread was silly to begin with but started out somewhat interesting. Since it's devolved into little beyond an argument of what Wish can or cannot do, I don't see the point in continuing with it.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
. If wish could be used to completely solve every problem, then why are you even playing D&D at this point. I think If God was the DM in this case and the entire point was to have fun with other celestial forces controling all the wizards. The Dm would probably say no to all of them because the whole point is getting a challenge. I'm sure the wizards would win, but maybe not from wishing. Wish isn't actually a statistic, it's a choice of the DM. The 33% part is if they'll get fatigued and never be able to cast it again.
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"Uh, I have Illusory Script. I think I can read that."
And that's that. Seriously. Even FEMA uses Waffle House closures to measure the severity of natural disasters! it's literally called "The Waffle House Index"!
“I wish to cast Meteor Swarm on every Waffle House.”
The Waffle House may be strong, but it’s not title card.
Wish can't duplicate one 9th level spell, much less hundreds of them. Nor can it, per your previous post, disintegrate thousands or millions of tons of material.
You have an argument for duplicating spells, as that really falls under the established rules, but what is stopping you from using it to disintegrate large amounts of material?
Because Disintegrate is an existing spell, so the best Wish could do is upcast it.
“I wish for all [twenty most important materials] owned by the Technology Faction and their allies to liquify and merge with each other in one spot, then cool to absolute zero.”
Have fun pulling apart the very large important materials blob while fighting one million wizards
“I wish for all [twenty most important materials] owned by the Technology Faction and their allies to liquify and merge with each other in one spot, then cool to absolute zero.”
Have fun pulling apart the very large important materials blob while fighting one million wizards
Said twenty of the most important materials are located all over the planet, meaning that they would require as many teleports as they can be fit within a 10 foot cube, liquifying EVERYTHING considered as an ally is beyond even dozens of Meteor swarms and would not work due to wishing one person to be dead already having the chance for it to backfire horribly.
Seeing that there’s so many different things needed for your wish to work, this is quite literally beyond 9th level spells and in conclusion.
This isn’t the wish spell, this is the day-dreaming spell.
Yeah, but at least 1/3,000 will work, and that's game over.
What, this one guy has a different GM or .. what?
It's not a dice roll. It's what the spell can or cannot do. Alright, enough, I'm calling it right now: I'm the GM. Wish cannot do that!
What? Not everyone is happy with that? Well. Rocks fall!
Just kidding =) but its an ad deus style argument, it doesn't prove anything or really do or say anything, it just renders any further conversation impossible or at least pointless.
Wish isn't powerful enough to just negate the conflict, and even if it was it wouldn't negate the conflict - it negates the discussion.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
Yea and your making baseless arguments because you mistake Wish for being able to make you a god, when that’s the equivalent of a cantrip to one. If a lesser deity of a certain concept can’t do it, a wizard definitely could not, let alone pull that much mass in such a large area.
If liked to see a gamemaster with some level of brain power allow you to do that level of stuff when higher level spells already once existed, no way in the world would Wish be capable of mimicking Karsus's avatar or any of the Elven archmage spells that need an entire squadron to accomplish.
There's one other thing that I think everyone has been overlooking here. This isn't about "magic vs technology" at all. Because, if I may remind everyone of Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
So really, the magic side of this fight isn't really magic at all. It's just a form of technology that we don't yet understand.
My whole point is that wish solves this on its own. If you want to discuss it with the rule that wish isn't allowed, go ahead.
And mine is that it doesn't. It has nowhere near the level of power you want it to have. It could maybe wish away a tank platoon, or a regiment of infantry. On that approximate scale. Now, you have a large number of castings of wish - although rapidly diminishing:
The greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. When Wish-ing for something silly, Wish takes the path of least resistance: It's much easier for Wish to kick the caster forward in time, or into another dimension, to a place beyond tanks, than to remove any current tanks from existance.
The stress of casting Wish to produce any effect other than duplicating another spell weakens you. After enduring that stress, each time you cast a spell until you finish a Long Rest, you take 1d10 Necrotic damage per level of that spell. This damage can’t be reduced or prevented in any way. In addition, your Strength score becomes 3 for 2d4 days. For each of those days that you spend resting and doing nothing more than light activity, your remaining recovery time decreases by 2 days. Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast Wish ever again if you suffer this stress.
So you can do a lot. Certainly. But you can't wish away 'all X' with any hope of succes, that will either always fail, or always teleport you into outer space where there is zero x for you to worry about.
And finally, when it really comes down to it, billions of people with sharpened sticks beat a million wizards. It's just a slower proces.
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Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
If every one of the 1,000 knows wish, it can be cast around 3,000 times. For a start, by my estimation, each wish could create a modern tank. Not the best ones, but decent ones. I really find it hard to think of any situation that couldn't be solved with 3,000 wishes (barring interference from the lady of pain or something similar). Also, you might arguably be able use roll redo on the 33% chance for wish to become uncastable, so that would be even more that's in favor of the wizards.
My whole point is that wish solves this on its own. If you want to discuss it with the rule that wish isn't allowed, go ahead.
And mine is that it doesn't. It has nowhere near the level of power you want it to have. It could maybe wish away a tank platoon, or a regiment of infantry. On that approximate scale. Now, you have a large number of castings of wish - although rapidly diminishing:
The greater the wish, the greater the likelihood that something goes wrong. When Wish-ing for something silly, Wish takes the path of least resistance: It's much easier for Wish to kick the caster forward in time, or into another dimension, to a place beyond tanks, than to remove any current tanks from existance.
The stress of casting Wish to produce any effect other than duplicating another spell weakens you. After enduring that stress, each time you cast a spell until you finish a Long Rest, you take 1d10 Necrotic damage per level of that spell. This damage can’t be reduced or prevented in any way. In addition, your Strength score becomes 3 for 2d4 days. For each of those days that you spend resting and doing nothing more than light activity, your remaining recovery time decreases by 2 days. Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast Wish ever again if you suffer this stress.
So you can do a lot. Certainly. But you can't wish away 'all X' with any hope of succes, that will either always fail, or always teleport you into outer space where there is zero x for you to worry about.
And finally, when it really comes down to it, billions of people with sharpened sticks beat a million wizards. It's just a slower proces.
Can 100 wishes do that? No? How about 3,000 (1,000/33%). In the end, the wizards just win, as whenever they encounter difficulties, they can just wish them away. (far away, if not completely gone)
Can 100 wishes do that? No? How about 3,000 (1,000/33%). In the end, the wizards just win, as whenever they encounter difficulties, they can just wish them away. (far away, if not completely gone)
Like I said: In the end, even if they have nothing but sticks, billions of people win against a million. Drowned effortlessly in sheer unbeatable numbers. Wishes or no wishes.
Or are you going to wish away sticks too?
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Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
Can 100 wishes do that? No? How about 3,000 (1,000/33%). In the end, the wizards just win, as whenever they encounter difficulties, they can just wish them away. (far away, if not completely gone)
Like I said: In the end, even if they have nothing but sticks, billions of people win against a million. Drowned effortlessly in sheer unbeatable numbers. Wishes or no wishes.
Please provide a quote where it says that. Because I can't find that anywhere in the spell's description.
What I can find is this:
And if you think you're going to use Wish as a means of destroying an area larger than the state of Colorado, you'd better believe that things will go wrong.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
"You may wish for something not included in any of the other effects."
Sure, you can wish for it.
Doesn't mean you're gonna get it.
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Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
Yeah, but at least 1/3,000 will work, and that's game over.
"That's it, man! Game over, man! Game over!" - (PFC William L. Hudson of the United States Colonial Marines)
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Anzio Faro. Protector Aasimar light cleric. Lvl 18.
Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
Okay, you're just making up numbers that aren't based on anything. This thread was silly to begin with but started out somewhat interesting. Since it's devolved into little beyond an argument of what Wish can or cannot do, I don't see the point in continuing with it.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
. If wish could be used to completely solve every problem, then why are you even playing D&D at this point. I think If God was the DM in this case and the entire point was to have fun with other celestial forces controling all the wizards. The Dm would probably say no to all of them because the whole point is getting a challenge. I'm sure the wizards would win, but maybe not from wishing. Wish isn't actually a statistic, it's a choice of the DM. The 33% part is if they'll get fatigued and never be able to cast it again.
"Uh, I have Illusory Script. I think I can read that."
“I wish for all [twenty most important materials] owned by the Technology Faction and their allies to liquify and merge with each other in one spot, then cool to absolute zero.”
Have fun pulling apart the very large important materials blob while fighting one million wizards
Casters, not just Wizards.
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Said twenty of the most important materials are located all over the planet, meaning that they would require as many teleports as they can be fit within a 10 foot cube, liquifying EVERYTHING considered as an ally is beyond even dozens of Meteor swarms and would not work due to wishing one person to be dead already having the chance for it to backfire horribly.
Seeing that there’s so many different things needed for your wish to work, this is quite literally beyond 9th level spells and in conclusion.
This isn’t the wish spell, this is the day-dreaming spell.
Wait do we consider Psions in the argument?
What, this one guy has a different GM or .. what?
It's not a dice roll. It's what the spell can or cannot do. Alright, enough, I'm calling it right now: I'm the GM. Wish cannot do that!
What? Not everyone is happy with that? Well. Rocks fall!
Just kidding =) but its an ad deus style argument, it doesn't prove anything or really do or say anything, it just renders any further conversation impossible or at least pointless.
Wish isn't powerful enough to just negate the conflict, and even if it was it wouldn't negate the conflict - it negates the discussion.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
My whole point is that wish solves this on its own. If you want to discuss it with the rule that wish isn't allowed, go ahead.
Yea and your making baseless arguments because you mistake Wish for being able to make you a god, when that’s the equivalent of a cantrip to one. If a lesser deity of a certain concept can’t do it, a wizard definitely could not, let alone pull that much mass in such a large area.
If liked to see a gamemaster with some level of brain power allow you to do that level of stuff when higher level spells already once existed, no way in the world would Wish be capable of mimicking Karsus's avatar or any of the Elven archmage spells that need an entire squadron to accomplish.
There's one other thing that I think everyone has been overlooking here. This isn't about "magic vs technology" at all. Because, if I may remind everyone of Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
So really, the magic side of this fight isn't really magic at all. It's just a form of technology that we don't yet understand.
So no matter which side wins, technology wins.
Checkmate.
Anzio Faro. Protector Aasimar light cleric. Lvl 18.
Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
And mine is that it doesn't. It has nowhere near the level of power you want it to have. It could maybe wish away a tank platoon, or a regiment of infantry. On that approximate scale. Now, you have a large number of castings of wish - although rapidly diminishing:
So you can do a lot. Certainly. But you can't wish away 'all X' with any hope of succes, that will either always fail, or always teleport you into outer space where there is zero x for you to worry about.
And finally, when it really comes down to it, billions of people with sharpened sticks beat a million wizards. It's just a slower proces.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
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If every one of the 1,000 knows wish, it can be cast around 3,000 times. For a start, by my estimation, each wish could create a modern tank. Not the best ones, but decent ones. I really find it hard to think of any situation that couldn't be solved with 3,000 wishes (barring interference from the lady of pain or something similar). Also, you might arguably be able use roll redo on the 33% chance for wish to become uncastable, so that would be even more that's in favor of the wizards.
Can 100 wishes do that? No? How about 3,000 (1,000/33%). In the end, the wizards just win, as whenever they encounter difficulties, they can just wish them away. (far away, if not completely gone)
Like I said: In the end, even if they have nothing but sticks, billions of people win against a million. Drowned effortlessly in sheer unbeatable numbers. Wishes or no wishes.
Or are you going to wish away sticks too?
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
All I have to say is that is a lot of dead people from meteor swarm, or even just lightning bolt.