I was reading through the Rune Scribe prestige class and I loved the idea. I was wondering if there are any other options available, or if anybody had home brew prestige options made up?
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That is a great question. I wonder what the feedback was on the surveys? It seems like we get more of what is reviewed positively on the surveys. We'll post any news we hear on this thread.
I'd love to see more Prestige classes, but it seems that many people were against them, so the feedback was rather negative and I doubt that we'll see a redux
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From what I understand, people don't want prestige classes because of the bloat that happened with 3.5? They didn't want another influx of prestige classes like before so they just didn't want it.
Rune Scribe seemed great though, even if a little weak.
3/3.5 had so many prestige classes you'd trip over them. However 5e has the archetypes for classes allowing you to provide flavour whilst still gaining all the classes abilities.
I really wish they would make them official. There are many uses for them that a base class + subclass can't do. I am going to work on some for my 5e Dragonlance game.
They don’t have to, that’s the neat part about Homebrew/UA.
It really only has to be approved by your DM for you to use it and a ton of DMs are chill with Homebrew they consider balanced, and it can add variety and spice to your character.
Folks say that but that's very different from prestiga classes. Boons and rewards are arbitrary. prestige classes are much more defined and designed as an outgrowth of your class, Prestige classes are sort of like the original Bard in AD&D when you needed levels in pretty nuch everything before becoming a Bard. There's a particular XP based character advancement attached to prestige classes. Boons are more like "well, ok, how about this?" and not necessarily related to all the class leveling the player had done before hand.
I'm not saying 5e _needs_ prestige classes; but folks who say "Epic Boons do that work" don't seem to really follow what prestige classes are.
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There's a particular XP based character advancement attached to prestige classes. Boons are more like "well, ok, how about this?" and not necessarily related to all the class leveling the player had done before hand.
But the same applies to epic boons. For every 30,000 XP above 355,000 (20th level), you get to choose between an ability score improvement with the cap increased to 30, a feat, or an epic boon. This continues indefinitely, or at least until you've maxed out everything, although new feats will keep getting added.
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There's a particular XP based character advancement attached to prestige classes. Boons are more like "well, ok, how about this?" and not necessarily related to all the class leveling the player had done before hand.
But the same applies to epic boons. For every 30,000 XP above 355,000 (20th level), you get to choose between an ability score improvement with the cap increased to 30, a feat, or an epic boon. This continues indefinitely, or at least until you've maxed out everything, although new feats will keep getting added.
That's really not the same. No new class mechanics will be added through the boons, something prestige classes did do. No other requirements but hitting lvl 20+. No extra flavour, just a feat or a stat increase.
There's a particular XP based character advancement attached to prestige classes. Boons are more like "well, ok, how about this?" and not necessarily related to all the class leveling the player had done before hand.
But the same applies to epic boons. For every 30,000 XP above 355,000 (20th level), you get to choose between an ability score improvement with the cap increased to 30, a feat, or an epic boon. This continues indefinitely, or at least until you've maxed out everything, although new feats will keep getting added.
"But the same" only works if you take one sentence you're quoting, misread it, and ignore everything else in the relatively short and simple paragraph around it.
Again, Epic Boons are "DM arbitration", the DM chooses arbitrarily or maybe ties the reward into the specifics of how the experience points were earned. Prestige Classes have a logic and structure to them predicated on the class or classes that precede them. Saying there's an equivalence there isn't possible. Before continuing your argument, please go and gain an understanding of what prestige classes actually are before saying "they're like boons."
To make it simpler for you. Epic Boons function like feats (it's why they so easily homebrew as Feats). Prestige classes functioned in prior editions like "superclasses" unlocked by achieving levels in multiple classes. If you can't see the difference between how class levels and feats function, all you're contributing to this discussion is an exposition of your misunderstanding.
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I never said that epic boons are the same as prestige classes, but that they're a form of advancement past the 20th level. I first replied to post #10 which implied that there was no way to do that already.
"But the same" only works if you take one sentence you're quoting, misread it, and ignore everything else in the relatively short and simple paragraph around it.
That's not what I was doing. I prefer only quoting the relevant parts instead of the whole thing.
Again, Epic Boons are "DM arbitration", the DM chooses arbitrarily or maybe ties the reward into the specifics of how the experience points were earned.
So are class levels. The fact that you can do milestone leveling instead of using XP is the perfect example of it being completely arbitrary. However, don't think I'm being a strawman and discrediting everything you said based on one little thing I don't agree with. To prove my point, I'll address some other parts of your post.
Epic Boons function like feats (it's why they so easily homebrew as Feats). Prestige classes functioned in prior editions like "superclasses" unlocked by achieving levels in multiple classes.
I agree with this.
[...] all you're contributing to this discussion is an exposition of your misunderstanding.
I just showed you that the misunderstanding was on your part. Frankly, I could have avoided this by not assuming that other people would understand my point of view. It was my mistake to think it was unnecessary to clarify that I agreed on the other points.
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I was reading through the Rune Scribe prestige class and I loved the idea. I was wondering if there are any other options available, or if anybody had home brew prestige options made up?
I know what you're thinking: "In that flurry of blows, did he use all his ki points, or save one?" Well, are ya feeling lucky, punk?
That is a great question. I wonder what the feedback was on the surveys? It seems like we get more of what is reviewed positively on the surveys. We'll post any news we hear on this thread.
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I'd love to see more Prestige classes, but it seems that many people were against them, so the feedback was rather negative and I doubt that we'll see a redux
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Oh, people were against them? Do you know why? Or where I can read more about it?
I know what you're thinking: "In that flurry of blows, did he use all his ki points, or save one?" Well, are ya feeling lucky, punk?
Here was the survey feedback. Basically, people liked the Rune Scribe, didn't like prestige classes
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From what I understand, people don't want prestige classes because of the bloat that happened with 3.5? They didn't want another influx of prestige classes like before so they just didn't want it.
Rune Scribe seemed great though, even if a little weak.
3/3.5 had so many prestige classes you'd trip over them. However 5e has the archetypes for classes allowing you to provide flavour whilst still gaining all the classes abilities.
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I really wish they would make them official. There are many uses for them that a base class + subclass can't do. I am going to work on some for my 5e Dragonlance game.
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I like the idea of Prestige Classes. This would be one way for PCs to go above 20th level without having to do the 21+ level tables for each class.
It's a 3.5 thing, so people don't like it.
They don’t have to, that’s the neat part about Homebrew/UA.
It really only has to be approved by your DM for you to use it and a ton of DMs are chill with Homebrew they consider balanced, and it can add variety and spice to your character.
Mystic v3 should be official, nuff said.
We already have epic boons and other rewards for that.
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Folks say that but that's very different from prestiga classes. Boons and rewards are arbitrary. prestige classes are much more defined and designed as an outgrowth of your class, Prestige classes are sort of like the original Bard in AD&D when you needed levels in pretty nuch everything before becoming a Bard. There's a particular XP based character advancement attached to prestige classes. Boons are more like "well, ok, how about this?" and not necessarily related to all the class leveling the player had done before hand.
I'm not saying 5e _needs_ prestige classes; but folks who say "Epic Boons do that work" don't seem to really follow what prestige classes are.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
But the same applies to epic boons. For every 30,000 XP above 355,000 (20th level), you get to choose between an ability score improvement with the cap increased to 30, a feat, or an epic boon. This continues indefinitely, or at least until you've maxed out everything, although new feats will keep getting added.
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That's really not the same. No new class mechanics will be added through the boons, something prestige classes did do. No other requirements but hitting lvl 20+. No extra flavour, just a feat or a stat increase.
"But the same" only works if you take one sentence you're quoting, misread it, and ignore everything else in the relatively short and simple paragraph around it.
Again, Epic Boons are "DM arbitration", the DM chooses arbitrarily or maybe ties the reward into the specifics of how the experience points were earned. Prestige Classes have a logic and structure to them predicated on the class or classes that precede them. Saying there's an equivalence there isn't possible. Before continuing your argument, please go and gain an understanding of what prestige classes actually are before saying "they're like boons."
To make it simpler for you. Epic Boons function like feats (it's why they so easily homebrew as Feats). Prestige classes functioned in prior editions like "superclasses" unlocked by achieving levels in multiple classes. If you can't see the difference between how class levels and feats function, all you're contributing to this discussion is an exposition of your misunderstanding.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
I never said that epic boons are the same as prestige classes, but that they're a form of advancement past the 20th level. I first replied to post #10 which implied that there was no way to do that already.
That's not what I was doing. I prefer only quoting the relevant parts instead of the whole thing.
So are class levels. The fact that you can do milestone leveling instead of using XP is the perfect example of it being completely arbitrary. However, don't think I'm being a strawman and discrediting everything you said based on one little thing I don't agree with. To prove my point, I'll address some other parts of your post.
I agree with this.
I just showed you that the misunderstanding was on your part. Frankly, I could have avoided this by not assuming that other people would understand my point of view. It was my mistake to think it was unnecessary to clarify that I agreed on the other points.
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