I was looking at the shadow monks stuff, and I saw that they can cast Darkness. I looked at darkness and the caster cant see through it, meaning that the only times you would ever cast it is to run away or distract. Then, I looked at the eldritch adept feat. It lets you take a eldritch invocation, and obviously I would take Devils Sight, making my monk able to see through magical darkness. My only question is, is this to OP:
Advantage on all attacks, no opportunity attacks, and people have disadvantage on attacking me, also negating spells that require you to see the target.
I feel like this may be game breaking, and I want some thoughts on if you would allow it in your game.
Well, unfortunately shadow monk's (or monks of any kind) cannot take the Eldritch Adept feat. EA specifically requires the spellcasting or pact magic class features, which shadow monks do not have. Being able to cast spells using Ki is considered a different thing by the game.
It is not broken however. Warlocks have been doing it this whole time without needing to take a feat.
I would ask your DM about it. I think it's a fine homebrew to allow from a power level perspective and it matches the flavor of the shadow monk well.
Well, unfortunately shadow monk's (or monks of any kind) cannot take the Eldritch Adept feat. EA specifically requires the spellcasting or pact magic class features, which shadow monks do not have. Being able to cast spells using Ki is considered a different thing by the game.
It is not broken however. Warlocks have been doing it this whole time without needing to take a feat.
I would ask your DM about it. I think it's a fine homebrew to allow from a power level perspective and it matches the flavor of the shadow monk well.
ah, i did not see that you had to be a spellcaster or pact magic user to do it. I could take 2 levels in warlock, but i want this character to be mainly monk, and 2 levels is a lot. any ideas of how i could get a eldritch invocation without taking more levels?
You could still take the feat with only 1 level in warlock or a spellcasting class. However, Darkness is incredibly obtrusive to the rest of the party so I wouldn't build a character around Devil's Sight without discussing it with your friends. Maybe find a different way to give yourself advantage.
The nice thing is that it can be spellcasting from any class.
If you're looking to stick to RAW (which I definitely appreciate, I never ask for homebrew myself) I would recommend one level in Cleric. Being wisdom based is huge. Cantrips and Domains getting picked at level 1 means you get a LOT out of the single level. As a prepared caster you can change your spell selections your entire career to fit your utility needs. Plenty of domains to choose from as well when it comes to fleshing out your toolkit.
It's already one of the few dips worth entertaining on a monk and it happens to enable your build.
I'm in favor of waiting to take the dip until after level 5. I don't put off extra attack in my builds, but it's not illegal or anything lol. Whether I would want to put off that sweet level 6 teleporting is another story. I could see favoring either.
So the Shadow Monks ability to cast Minor Illusion / Darkness / Darkvision / Pass Without Trace / Silence using Ki does not count as enough of a caster to take "Eldritch Adept"?
While the warlock specific pact invocations do require warlock class specifically, I see no reason a class like Eldritch Knight, etc: that has some form of built in spell casting (even if the spell casting ability is given from a strange source or method?) Genuinely curious if this has been gone over before since this is the first I'm seeing the distinction.
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So the Shadow Monks ability to cast Minor Illusion / Darkness / Darkvision / Pass Without Trace / Silence using Ki does not count as enough of a caster to take "Eldritch Adept"?
Correct. Strictly by the rules, you specifically need the "Spellcasting" or "Pact Magic" class feature.
While the warlock specific pact invocations do require warlock class specifically, I see no reason a class like Eldritch Knight, etc: that has some form of built in spell casting (even if the spell casting ability is given from a strange source or method?) Genuinely curious if this has been gone over before since this is the first I'm seeing the distinction.
Eldritch Knights and Arcane Tricksters have the Spellcasting class feature, and thus can take Eldritch Adapt.
Totem Barbarians learn to cast a spell, but they do not qualify. People who take Shadow Touched, Fae Touched or Magic Initiate do not qualify. Tieflings, drow and any other racial magic does not qualify.
You basically need go to your class write up and look for "Spellcasting" as a bolded subsection title. If it shows up, then you're good. If it doesn't, you're not.
To expand a bit on Mephista's answer: shadow monks are definitely, unambiguously considered spellcasters by the rules. For instance, they can attune to a wand of fireballs (though I do wonder if they'd have written the item's prerequisites differently if it were being printed today.) The issue is that the feat requires the specific type of spellcasting you can only get from levels in classes that use spell slots.
At least now you can go for classes that won't make you too MAD like druid, cleric or Ranger then get the feat but at little bit later level.
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Thank you for the clarification. I've clearly been looking at this wrong.
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"I once knew this fella, Aasimar raised in the Underdark. Was like a brother to me. When he escaped we couldn't take much with us. Poor, emaciated husks of the living we were. 'ts okay though. We survived and made our ways. I'll never forget the way the people from my home looked at us when we walked in the archway. Though, I'm frighteningly certain the feelings they would have, had they but the opportunity ta see us leave." --Manolovo the Traitor, Memoirs of a Scoundrel
The nice thing is that it can be spellcasting from any class.
If you're looking to stick to RAW (which I definitely appreciate, I never ask for homebrew myself) I would recommend one level in Cleric. Being wisdom based is huge. Cantrips and Domains getting picked at level 1 means you get a LOT out of the single level. As a prepared caster you can change your spell selections your entire career to fit your utility needs. Plenty of domains to choose from as well when it comes to fleshing out your toolkit.
It's already one of the few dips worth entertaining on a monk and it happens to enable your build.
I'm in favor of waiting to take the dip until after level 5. I don't put off extra attack in my builds, but it's not illegal or anything lol. Whether I would want to put off that sweet level 6 teleporting is another story. I could see favoring either.
Yeah, 1 level in cleric has alot of benifits. Thanks!
To do something similar you could take the feat Fighting Initiate to grab Blind Fighting
Fighting initiate has the advantage that it works against invisible opponents and the like as well. Where as the Devil's Sight combo only works in darkness, and primarily magical darkness. Both for different reasons and in different ways can work against gloomstalkers in the underdark however.
Why would anyone think shadow monks don't have spellcasting??? Directly from the book (I added emphasis)): "As an action, you can spend 2 ki points to CAST Darkness, Darkvision, Pass without Trace, or Silence, without providing material components". How is this not being able to cast a spell when it clearly states a shadow monk can cast the listed spells, and without using components? Of course a shadow monk can take Eldritch Adept and Devil's Sight
Why would anyone think shadow monks don't have spellcasting??? Directly from the book (I added emphasis)): "As an action, you can spend 2 ki points to CAST Darkness, Darkvision, Pass without Trace, or Silence, without providing material components". How is this not being able to cast a spell when it clearly states a shadow monk can cast the listed spells, and without using components? Of course a shadow monk can take Eldritch Adept and Devil's Sight
Spellcasting is the name of a specific class feature Shadow Monks do not have. If you look at how Arcane Tricksters and Eldritch Knights are written, you can see how a subclass can grant the feature.
You should try being a little less abrasive next time. It will make it a lot less embarrassing when you're trying to call someone out for being wrong when you are the one that doesn't know what's going on.
Considering arcane tricksters can get it I see no issue with a monk getting it, even if they can cast darkness earlier than arcane tricksters they have to use ki points to activate darkness in the first place.
Even if it's not technically allowed rules as written, I see no problem in allowing it in your own game personally.
Well, unfortunately shadow monk's (or monks of any kind) cannot take the Eldritch Adept feat. EA specifically requires the spellcasting or pact magic class features, which shadow monks do not have. Being able to cast spells using Ki is considered a different thing by the game
You get the minor illusion cantrip, so that should count as spellcasting
I was looking at the shadow monks stuff, and I saw that they can cast Darkness. I looked at darkness and the caster cant see through it, meaning that the only times you would ever cast it is to run away or distract. Then, I looked at the eldritch adept feat. It lets you take a eldritch invocation, and obviously I would take Devils Sight, making my monk able to see through magical darkness. My only question is, is this to OP:
Advantage on all attacks, no opportunity attacks, and people have disadvantage on attacking me, also negating spells that require you to see the target.
I feel like this may be game breaking, and I want some thoughts on if you would allow it in your game.
im a tad bit fruity
Well, unfortunately shadow monk's (or monks of any kind) cannot take the Eldritch Adept feat. EA specifically requires the spellcasting or pact magic class features, which shadow monks do not have. Being able to cast spells using Ki is considered a different thing by the game.
It is not broken however. Warlocks have been doing it this whole time without needing to take a feat.
I would ask your DM about it. I think it's a fine homebrew to allow from a power level perspective and it matches the flavor of the shadow monk well.
ah, i did not see that you had to be a spellcaster or pact magic user to do it. I could take 2 levels in warlock, but i want this character to be mainly monk, and 2 levels is a lot. any ideas of how i could get a eldritch invocation without taking more levels?
im a tad bit fruity
You could still take the feat with only 1 level in warlock or a spellcasting class. However, Darkness is incredibly obtrusive to the rest of the party so I wouldn't build a character around Devil's Sight without discussing it with your friends. Maybe find a different way to give yourself advantage.
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The nice thing is that it can be spellcasting from any class.
If you're looking to stick to RAW (which I definitely appreciate, I never ask for homebrew myself) I would recommend one level in Cleric. Being wisdom based is huge. Cantrips and Domains getting picked at level 1 means you get a LOT out of the single level. As a prepared caster you can change your spell selections your entire career to fit your utility needs. Plenty of domains to choose from as well when it comes to fleshing out your toolkit.
It's already one of the few dips worth entertaining on a monk and it happens to enable your build.
I'm in favor of waiting to take the dip until after level 5. I don't put off extra attack in my builds, but it's not illegal or anything lol. Whether I would want to put off that sweet level 6 teleporting is another story. I could see favoring either.
Combine this with Fey Touched to get hunter's mark or hex, and you get an additional 1d6 damage on each attack you do.
Huh. This makes me want to actually play a monk now.
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To clarify:
So the Shadow Monks ability to cast Minor Illusion / Darkness / Darkvision / Pass Without Trace / Silence using Ki does not count as enough of a caster to take "Eldritch Adept"?
While the warlock specific pact invocations do require warlock class specifically, I see no reason a class like Eldritch Knight, etc: that has some form of built in spell casting (even if the spell casting ability is given from a strange source or method?) Genuinely curious if this has been gone over before since this is the first I'm seeing the distinction.
"I once knew this fella, Aasimar raised in the Underdark. Was like a brother to me. When he escaped we couldn't take much with us. Poor, emaciated husks of the living we were. 'ts okay though. We survived and made our ways. I'll never forget the way the people from my home looked at us when we walked in the archway. Though, I'm frighteningly certain the feelings they would have, had they but the opportunity ta see us leave." --Manolovo the Traitor, Memoirs of a Scoundrel
Correct. Strictly by the rules, you specifically need the "Spellcasting" or "Pact Magic" class feature.
Eldritch Knights and Arcane Tricksters have the Spellcasting class feature, and thus can take Eldritch Adapt.
Totem Barbarians learn to cast a spell, but they do not qualify. People who take Shadow Touched, Fae Touched or Magic Initiate do not qualify. Tieflings, drow and any other racial magic does not qualify.
You basically need go to your class write up and look for "Spellcasting" as a bolded subsection title. If it shows up, then you're good. If it doesn't, you're not.
To expand a bit on Mephista's answer: shadow monks are definitely, unambiguously considered spellcasters by the rules. For instance, they can attune to a wand of fireballs (though I do wonder if they'd have written the item's prerequisites differently if it were being printed today.) The issue is that the feat requires the specific type of spellcasting you can only get from levels in classes that use spell slots.
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At least now you can go for classes that won't make you too MAD like druid, cleric or Ranger then get the feat but at little bit later level.
Born under the watch of something from the furthest corners of the far realms.... It knows all.... it sees all... and it asks: "What is it that you want to see?"... and my answer is... ALL"
Thank you for the clarification. I've clearly been looking at this wrong.
"I once knew this fella, Aasimar raised in the Underdark. Was like a brother to me. When he escaped we couldn't take much with us. Poor, emaciated husks of the living we were. 'ts okay though. We survived and made our ways. I'll never forget the way the people from my home looked at us when we walked in the archway. Though, I'm frighteningly certain the feelings they would have, had they but the opportunity ta see us leave." --Manolovo the Traitor, Memoirs of a Scoundrel
To do something similar you could take the feat Fighting Initiate to grab Blind Fighting
Yeah, 1 level in cleric has alot of benifits. Thanks!
im a tad bit fruity
Fighting initiate has the advantage that it works against invisible opponents and the like as well. Where as the Devil's Sight combo only works in darkness, and primarily magical darkness. Both for different reasons and in different ways can work against gloomstalkers in the underdark however.
Why would anyone think shadow monks don't have spellcasting??? Directly from the book (I added emphasis)): "As an action, you can spend 2 ki points to CAST Darkness, Darkvision, Pass without Trace, or Silence, without providing material components". How is this not being able to cast a spell when it clearly states a shadow monk can cast the listed spells, and without using components? Of course a shadow monk can take Eldritch Adept and Devil's Sight
Spellcasting is the name of a specific class feature Shadow Monks do not have. If you look at how Arcane Tricksters and Eldritch Knights are written, you can see how a subclass can grant the feature.
Why? Because I read and understood the rules.
You should try being a little less abrasive next time. It will make it a lot less embarrassing when you're trying to call someone out for being wrong when you are the one that doesn't know what's going on.
Considering arcane tricksters can get it I see no issue with a monk getting it, even if they can cast darkness earlier than arcane tricksters they have to use ki points to activate darkness in the first place.
Even if it's not technically allowed rules as written, I see no problem in allowing it in your own game personally.
Well, unfortunately shadow monk's (or monks of any kind) cannot take the Eldritch Adept feat. EA specifically requires the spellcasting or pact magic class features, which shadow monks do not have. Being able to cast spells using Ki is considered a different thing by the game
You get the minor illusion cantrip, so that should count as spellcasting
Being able to cast a cantrip is not the same as having the spellcasting class feature.