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Think taverns started around 2020 😭 it's honestly insane

 BulletHawk!

 All hail Bullethawk o great master of taverns /j

 Whom?

 The OG. The person who made the first tavern. Which will forever be the longest thread in Adohand's

 Which one was it?

 https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/off-topic/adohands-kitchen/129847-the-tavern-at-the-end-of-the-world?page=7318

That's actually not it. It got deleted.

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Think taverns started around 2020 😭 it's honestly insane

 BulletHawk!

 All hail Bullethawk o great master of taverns /j

 Whom?

 The OG. The person who made the first tavern. Which will forever be the longest thread in Adohand's

 Which one was it?

 https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/off-topic/adohands-kitchen/129847-the-tavern-at-the-end-of-the-world?page=7318

 I love Hitchhiker’s!

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That's actually not it. It got deleted.

 I saw.

Wonder if we could maybe make a tavern 3 (I'm sure someone did make that) for like... free rp as whoever you want from whatever original world, predominantly fantasy.

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Wonder if we could maybe make a tavern 3 (I'm sure someone did make that) for like... free rp as whoever you want from whatever original world, predominantly fantasy.

 That’s what I was planning to do! My storybook tavern!

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Wonder if we could maybe make a tavern 3 (I'm sure someone did make that) for like... free rp as whoever you want from whatever original world, predominantly fantasy.

 That’s what I was planning to do! My storybook tavern!

 Sick, okay. Want help? You'd be the owner ofc. I just think rules for encounters n plots n stuff might be really fun. Also a no fighting inside the tavern rule is usually best.

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Hey morons, idk if half of the current posters will even recognize me, but I was idle scrolling probably just from old muscle memory from the good old days (read: 3 years ago) and saw this thread and decided **** it I’ll post. If you recognize me haii and if you don’t let my post count be proof of my experience on ddb. I’ll be saying my thoughts regardless if someone else has already said them. 

Adohands is in a worse place now than it was 2 or 3 years ago. I don’t think anyone can argue with me on that. I think the beginning of the end for this one was, as much as I hate to say it, Onions. It was Sel’s (a new forum goer) first thread about some random dumb thought they had and we just ran with it and made it a new therapy/chat thread, and for a while there was nothing wrong with it. But with new people that weren’t around before it set an awful example that ddb was this casual internet void full of nerds that you can just talk to when it wasn’t back then and I sincerely hope it isn’t now. Back then the biggest thread was the DAO, which by itself was a lovely thread but also set a bad example. In the DAO we were rping as teens because that’s what the premise was, but to new kids it gave the false impression that Adohands is a place for teens to do teen things because DAO was the “face” of Adohands at the time. Skipping forwards a lot to the Baalze vs Cyno drama, a lot of the more experienced taverners who in the cycle would’ve explained how Adohands works to new people had either already left or were in the process of leaving, meaning the newer taverners didn’t really have a good example for how to act, which I ultimately believe led to the overflow of low effort, pointless threads that exist today. Taverners today don’t know what makes a good thread or why old ones succeeded while new ones aren’t. The difference is blatantly visible when you compare the taverns of today with those that I got my posts on. I had close to 400 days on Adohands before I posted my first Tavern (Demonweb), as taverns back then were big projects by experienced taverners with lots of lore explaining the world, even if it was a tavern based on an established ip, and a defined setting and set of rules to guide roleplayers. Respect is another one. The people Drummer reffered to as the 2022 crew had mutual respect between each other and defined hard rules, a big one being no pvp without consent and no killing others’ characters, no matter what. Even if you don’t like the person, even if the person is being annoying, both of you are mature and can storming figure it out without drama and bull**** and taking sides to try to divide all of adohands to either my side or their side.

Have a lovely day, Jesus loves you, Monks out.

I wasn't on Onions really at all when it exploded like it did, but I do agree with you that it was a cultural shift icon of sorts.

I'm not active on taverns anymore but from what I'm gathering, a good step would be to start putting more effort into them again and make high-effort taverns more widespread then low-effort ones? (Again I'm not in the tavern scene so I'm not that knowledgeable on how many high-quality ones there are, but from what I've heard there's been a lot of low effort ones recently.)

Also IDK if you'll see this but hi Monks

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Hey morons, idk if half of the current posters will even recognize me, but I was idle scrolling probably just from old muscle memory from the good old days (read: 3 years ago) and saw this thread and decided **** it I’ll post. If you recognize me haii and if you don’t let my post count be proof of my experience on ddb. I’ll be saying my thoughts regardless if someone else has already said them. 

Adohands is in a worse place now than it was 2 or 3 years ago. I don’t think anyone can argue with me on that. I think the beginning of the end for this one was, as much as I hate to say it, Onions. It was Sel’s (a new forum goer) first thread about some random dumb thought they had and we just ran with it and made it a new therapy/chat thread, and for a while there was nothing wrong with it. But with new people that weren’t around before it set an awful example that ddb was this casual internet void full of nerds that you can just talk to when it wasn’t back then and I sincerely hope it isn’t now. Back then the biggest thread was the DAO, which by itself was a lovely thread but also set a bad example. In the DAO we were rping as teens because that’s what the premise was, but to new kids it gave the false impression that Adohands is a place for teens to do teen things because DAO was the “face” of Adohands at the time. Skipping forwards a lot to the Baalze vs Cyno drama, a lot of the more experienced taverners who in the cycle would’ve explained how Adohands works to new people had either already left or were in the process of leaving, meaning the newer taverners didn’t really have a good example for how to act, which I ultimately believe led to the overflow of low effort, pointless threads that exist today. Taverners today don’t know what makes a good thread or why old ones succeeded while new ones aren’t. The difference is blatantly visible when you compare the taverns of today with those that I got my posts on. I had close to 400 days on Adohands before I posted my first Tavern (Demonweb), as taverns back then were big projects by experienced taverners with lots of lore explaining the world, even if it was a tavern based on an established ip, and a defined setting and set of rules to guide roleplayers. Respect is another one. The people Drummer reffered to as the 2022 crew had mutual respect between each other and defined hard rules, a big one being no pvp without consent and no killing others’ characters, no matter what. Even if you don’t like the person, even if the person is being annoying, both of you are mature and can storming figure it out without drama and bull**** and taking sides to try to divide all of adohands to either my side or their side.

Have a lovely day, Jesus loves you, Monks out.

I wasn't on Onions really at all when it exploded like it did, but I do agree with you that it was a cultural shift icon of sorts.

I'm not active on taverns anymore but from what I'm gathering, a good step would be to start putting more effort into them again and make high-effort taverns more widespread then low-effort ones? (Again I'm not in the tavern scene so I'm not that knowledgeable on how many high-quality ones there are, but from what I've heard there's been a lot of low effort ones recently.)

Also IDK if you'll see this but hi Monks

 A lot of the newer taverns aren't that lore filled. The most recent I've thought of are The LoTR one I made, and gods TTRPG.

I have to confess that I do not put that much effort into my taverns most of the time... it comes easily to me. Passion definitely though.

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I have to confess that I do not put that much effort into my taverns most of the time... it comes easily to me. Passion definitely though.

 TTRPG you did put quite a lot of effort into. As well as the academy.

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I have to confess that I do not put that much effort into my taverns most of the time... it comes easily to me. Passion definitely though.

 TTRPG you did put quite a lot of effort into. As well as the academy.

 Cyno made the god TTRPG I made the awful first draft and Cyno fixed it. If cyno ever reads this TY CYNO. 

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I have to confess that I do not put that much effort into my taverns most of the time... it comes easily to me. Passion definitely though.

 TTRPG you did put quite a lot of effort into. As well as the academy.

 Cyno made the god TTRPG I made the awful first draft and Cyno fixed it. If cyno ever reads this TY CYNO. 

 I doubt Cyno will but YEAH!

hrmmmmmm uhhhh yeah I definitely feel like tavern effort has gone down. Also the whole vibe of the forums is just different from when I joined?

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Hey morons, idk if half of the current posters will even recognize me, but I was idle scrolling probably just from old muscle memory from the good old days (read: 3 years ago) and saw this thread and decided **** it I’ll post. If you recognize me haii and if you don’t let my post count be proof of my experience on ddb. I’ll be saying my thoughts regardless if someone else has already said them. 

Adohands is in a worse place now than it was 2 or 3 years ago. I don’t think anyone can argue with me on that. I think the beginning of the end for this one was, as much as I hate to say it, Onions. It was Sel’s (a new forum goer) first thread about some random dumb thought they had and we just ran with it and made it a new therapy/chat thread, and for a while there was nothing wrong with it. But with new people that weren’t around before it set an awful example that ddb was this casual internet void full of nerds that you can just talk to when it wasn’t back then and I sincerely hope it isn’t now. Back then the biggest thread was the DAO, which by itself was a lovely thread but also set a bad example. In the DAO we were rping as teens because that’s what the premise was, but to new kids it gave the false impression that Adohands is a place for teens to do teen things because DAO was the “face” of Adohands at the time. Skipping forwards a lot to the Baalze vs Cyno drama, a lot of the more experienced taverners who in the cycle would’ve explained how Adohands works to new people had either already left or were in the process of leaving, meaning the newer taverners didn’t really have a good example for how to act, which I ultimately believe led to the overflow of low effort, pointless threads that exist today. Taverners today don’t know what makes a good thread or why old ones succeeded while new ones aren’t. The difference is blatantly visible when you compare the taverns of today with those that I got my posts on. I had close to 400 days on Adohands before I posted my first Tavern (Demonweb), as taverns back then were big projects by experienced taverners with lots of lore explaining the world, even if it was a tavern based on an established ip, and a defined setting and set of rules to guide roleplayers. Respect is another one. The people Drummer reffered to as the 2022 crew had mutual respect between each other and defined hard rules, a big one being no pvp without consent and no killing others’ characters, no matter what. Even if you don’t like the person, even if the person is being annoying, both of you are mature and can storming figure it out without drama and bull**** and taking sides to try to divide all of adohands to either my side or their side.

Have a lovely day, Jesus loves you, Monks out.

I wasn't on Onions really at all when it exploded like it did, but I do agree with you that it was a cultural shift icon of sorts.

I'm not active on taverns anymore but from what I'm gathering, a good step would be to start putting more effort into them again and make high-effort taverns more widespread then low-effort ones? (Again I'm not in the tavern scene so I'm not that knowledgeable on how many high-quality ones there are, but from what I've heard there's been a lot of low effort ones recently.)

Also IDK if you'll see this but hi Monks

 A lot of the newer taverns aren't that lore filled. The most recent I've thought of are The LoTR one I made, and gods TTRPG.

 I see. 

I remember quite a bit of taverns back in the day that had extensive lore. The Bloody Barnacle, the Universe Smorgasbord (although that was lore the players established), etc. I'm also kind of just listing taverns I liked, but hey maybe them being detailed contributed to me and many others liking them so much. So I do think more detailed taverns might be a good next step.

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Wonder if we could maybe make a tavern 3 (I'm sure someone did make that) for like... free rp as whoever you want from whatever original world, predominantly fantasy.

 That’s what I was planning to do! My storybook tavern!

 Sick, okay. Want help? You'd be the owner ofc. I just think rules for encounters n plots n stuff might be really fun. Also a no fighting inside the tavern rule is usually best.

 Yes. No fighting, just rp.

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hrmmmmmm uhhhh yeah I definitely feel like tavern effort has gone down. Also the whole vibe of the forums is just different from when I joined?

 Ok so not just lore, but effort overall? Good to know.

The vibe changing is probably from the main userbase changing, like what Monks was talking about.

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Hey morons, idk if half of the current posters will even recognize me, but I was idle scrolling probably just from old muscle memory from the good old days (read: 3 years ago) and saw this thread and decided **** it I’ll post. If you recognize me haii and if you don’t let my post count be proof of my experience on ddb. I’ll be saying my thoughts regardless if someone else has already said them. 

Adohands is in a worse place now than it was 2 or 3 years ago. I don’t think anyone can argue with me on that. I think the beginning of the end for this one was, as much as I hate to say it, Onions. It was Sel’s (a new forum goer) first thread about some random dumb thought they had and we just ran with it and made it a new therapy/chat thread, and for a while there was nothing wrong with it. But with new people that weren’t around before it set an awful example that ddb was this casual internet void full of nerds that you can just talk to when it wasn’t back then and I sincerely hope it isn’t now. Back then the biggest thread was the DAO, which by itself was a lovely thread but also set a bad example. In the DAO we were rping as teens because that’s what the premise was, but to new kids it gave the false impression that Adohands is a place for teens to do teen things because DAO was the “face” of Adohands at the time. Skipping forwards a lot to the Baalze vs Cyno drama, a lot of the more experienced taverners who in the cycle would’ve explained how Adohands works to new people had either already left or were in the process of leaving, meaning the newer taverners didn’t really have a good example for how to act, which I ultimately believe led to the overflow of low effort, pointless threads that exist today. Taverners today don’t know what makes a good thread or why old ones succeeded while new ones aren’t. The difference is blatantly visible when you compare the taverns of today with those that I got my posts on. I had close to 400 days on Adohands before I posted my first Tavern (Demonweb), as taverns back then were big projects by experienced taverners with lots of lore explaining the world, even if it was a tavern based on an established ip, and a defined setting and set of rules to guide roleplayers. Respect is another one. The people Drummer reffered to as the 2022 crew had mutual respect between each other and defined hard rules, a big one being no pvp without consent and no killing others’ characters, no matter what. Even if you don’t like the person, even if the person is being annoying, both of you are mature and can storming figure it out without drama and bull**** and taking sides to try to divide all of adohands to either my side or their side.

Have a lovely day, Jesus loves you, Monks out.

I wasn't on Onions really at all when it exploded like it did, but I do agree with you that it was a cultural shift icon of sorts.

I'm not active on taverns anymore but from what I'm gathering, a good step would be to start putting more effort into them again and make high-effort taverns more widespread then low-effort ones? (Again I'm not in the tavern scene so I'm not that knowledgeable on how many high-quality ones there are, but from what I've heard there's been a lot of low effort ones recently.)

Also IDK if you'll see this but hi Monks

 A lot of the newer taverns aren't that lore filled. The most recent I've thought of are The LoTR one I made, and gods TTRPG.

 I see. 

I remember quite a bit of taverns back in the day that had extensive lore. The Bloody Barnacle, the Universe Smorgasbord (although that was lore the players established), etc. I'm also kind of just listing taverns I liked, but hey maybe them being detailed contributed to me and many others liking them so much. So I do think more detailed taverns might be a good next step.

 Do y'all know what the intro to the og tavern was? Random question

Question for anyone who sees this: have I put enough work in on my taverns?

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Hey morons, idk if half of the current posters will even recognize me, but I was idle scrolling probably just from old muscle memory from the good old days (read: 3 years ago) and saw this thread and decided **** it I’ll post. If you recognize me haii and if you don’t let my post count be proof of my experience on ddb. I’ll be saying my thoughts regardless if someone else has already said them. 

Adohands is in a worse place now than it was 2 or 3 years ago. I don’t think anyone can argue with me on that. I think the beginning of the end for this one was, as much as I hate to say it, Onions. It was Sel’s (a new forum goer) first thread about some random dumb thought they had and we just ran with it and made it a new therapy/chat thread, and for a while there was nothing wrong with it. But with new people that weren’t around before it set an awful example that ddb was this casual internet void full of nerds that you can just talk to when it wasn’t back then and I sincerely hope it isn’t now. Back then the biggest thread was the DAO, which by itself was a lovely thread but also set a bad example. In the DAO we were rping as teens because that’s what the premise was, but to new kids it gave the false impression that Adohands is a place for teens to do teen things because DAO was the “face” of Adohands at the time. Skipping forwards a lot to the Baalze vs Cyno drama, a lot of the more experienced taverners who in the cycle would’ve explained how Adohands works to new people had either already left or were in the process of leaving, meaning the newer taverners didn’t really have a good example for how to act, which I ultimately believe led to the overflow of low effort, pointless threads that exist today. Taverners today don’t know what makes a good thread or why old ones succeeded while new ones aren’t. The difference is blatantly visible when you compare the taverns of today with those that I got my posts on. I had close to 400 days on Adohands before I posted my first Tavern (Demonweb), as taverns back then were big projects by experienced taverners with lots of lore explaining the world, even if it was a tavern based on an established ip, and a defined setting and set of rules to guide roleplayers. Respect is another one. The people Drummer reffered to as the 2022 crew had mutual respect between each other and defined hard rules, a big one being no pvp without consent and no killing others’ characters, no matter what. Even if you don’t like the person, even if the person is being annoying, both of you are mature and can storming figure it out without drama and bull**** and taking sides to try to divide all of adohands to either my side or their side.

Have a lovely day, Jesus loves you, Monks out.

I wasn't on Onions really at all when it exploded like it did, but I do agree with you that it was a cultural shift icon of sorts.

I'm not active on taverns anymore but from what I'm gathering, a good step would be to start putting more effort into them again and make high-effort taverns more widespread then low-effort ones? (Again I'm not in the tavern scene so I'm not that knowledgeable on how many high-quality ones there are, but from what I've heard there's been a lot of low effort ones recently.)

Also IDK if you'll see this but hi Monks

 A lot of the newer taverns aren't that lore filled. The most recent I've thought of are The LoTR one I made, and gods TTRPG.

 I see. 

I remember quite a bit of taverns back in the day that had extensive lore. The Bloody Barnacle, the Universe Smorgasbord (although that was lore the players established), etc. I'm also kind of just listing taverns I liked, but hey maybe them being detailed contributed to me and many others liking them so much. So I do think more detailed taverns might be a good next step.

 Do y'all know what the intro to the og tavern was? Random question

 I personally wasn't around for it. Most of the users that were are probably gone by now.