That boons say "Increase one AS of your choice by 1, to a maximum of 30" is this simply a one time bonus that let's you go past 20? Or does it increase your ability score cap to 30 permanently?
This question also applies to Manuals and Tomes.
Edited: I accidentally put "go past 30" instead of "go past 20"
There is no cap on Ability Score persay, rather it's soft capped by things that increase it, so feats can only increase score to a maximum of 20, you need other sources to get higher than 20, thus an Epic Boon being capped to 30 can increase an ability score above 20. As an epic boon is a feat, it's increase is permanent.
It doesn't allow you to go past 30. So if you have got 20 strength and then got an Epic boon and increased strength to 21, then used a wish spell to switch say the warcaster feat to great weapon master, you wouldn't see an increase from great weapon weapon master as it can not increase strength above 20, but if you instead got another boon which also increases strength, you could get 22 strength.
EDIT: There is a hard cap of 30, as per other responses, I should have more correctly said there is no hard cap at 20.
That boons say "Increase one AS of your choice by 1, to a maximum of 30" is this simply a one time bonus that let's you go past 30? Or does it increase your ability score cap to 30 permanently?
I assume you meant "one time bonus that lets you go past 20", and the answer is yes -- epic boons do not increase your ability score cap, they just ignore your ability score cap. Manuals and tomes (assuming they don't get changed in the 2024 books) do increase your ability score cap (this is only relevant if you take a non-epic feat for improving ability scores).
Just a note: 30 is a hard cap on ability scores for both PCs and monsters in 5e. The revisions didn't change that. No level of magic (not even the Wish spell) can surpass this. So what's really going on is that the Epic Boons are uncapped to the maximum level.
That boons say "Increase one AS of your choice by 1, to a maximum of 30" is this simply a one time bonus that let's you go past 30? Or does it increase your ability score cap to 30 permanently?
I assume you meant "one time bonus that lets you go past 20", and the answer is yes -- epic boons do not increase your ability score cap, they just ignore your ability score cap. Manuals and tomes (assuming they don't get changed in the 2024 books) do increase your ability score cap (this is only relevant if you take a non-epic feat for improving ability scores).
Just a note: 30 is a hard cap on ability scores for both PCs and monsters in 5e. The revisions didn't change that. No level of magic (not even the Wish spell) can surpass this. So what's really going on is that the Epic Boons are uncapped to the maximum level.
Actually, the assorted manuals and tomes (such as manual of gainful exercise or Tome of Leadership and Influence) say that your ability score increases by 2, as does the maximum for that score. So technically you could get 6 or 7 of these and your ability score maximum would increase to like 32 or 34.
Just a note: 30 is a hard cap on ability scores for both PCs and monsters in 5e. The revisions didn't change that. No level of magic (not even the Wish spell) can surpass this. So what's really going on is that the Epic Boons are uncapped to the maximum level.
Actually, the assorted manuals and tomes (such as manual of gainful exercise or Tome of Leadership and Influence) say that your ability score increases by 2, as does the maximum for that score. So technically you could get 6 or 7 of these and your ability score maximum would increase to like 32 or 34.
The ability score cap is 30 but most methods to increase it are only able to increase an ability score to a maximum score of 20.
I do not know if this is what the OP was wondering but an item like an Ioun Stone of agility can only increase your to a maximum socre of 20. So if a character reaches level 19 with a Dexterity of 18 which is increased to 20 as they are wearing an Ioun stone of Agility and takes an epic boon that increases there dexterity the PCs dex is increased to 19 and the Ioun stone only increases it to 20 as it is unable to increase the ability score beyond that.
The 20 limit on when adjusting ability scores during character creation. During the game, features can make one go above it to amaximum of 30.
Ability Scores: Each ability has a score from 1 to 20, although some monsters have a score as high as 30.
Adjust Ability Scores: After assigning your ability scores, adjust them according to your background. Your background lists three abilities; increase one of those scores by 2 and a different one by 1, or increase all three by 1. None of these increases can raise a score above 20.
20
This is the highest an adventurer’s score can go unless a feature says otherwise.
So, my mistake on that earlier post, I just realized what the "as does your maximum for that score" means. It just means your ability score maximum increases to 30.
I have having trouble interpreting some thing.
That boons say "Increase one AS of your choice by 1, to a maximum of 30" is this simply a one time bonus that let's you go past 20? Or does it increase your ability score cap to 30 permanently?
This question also applies to Manuals and Tomes.
Edited: I accidentally put "go past 30" instead of "go past 20"
There is no cap on Ability Score persay, rather it's soft capped by things that increase it, so feats can only increase score to a maximum of 20, you need other sources to get higher than 20, thus an Epic Boon being capped to 30 can increase an ability score above 20. As an epic boon is a feat, it's increase is permanent.
It doesn't allow you to go past 30. So if you have got 20 strength and then got an Epic boon and increased strength to 21, then used a wish spell to switch say the warcaster feat to great weapon master, you wouldn't see an increase from great weapon weapon master as it can not increase strength above 20, but if you instead got another boon which also increases strength, you could get 22 strength.
EDIT: There is a hard cap of 30, as per other responses, I should have more correctly said there is no hard cap at 20.
I assume you meant "one time bonus that lets you go past 20", and the answer is yes -- epic boons do not increase your ability score cap, they just ignore your ability score cap. Manuals and tomes (assuming they don't get changed in the 2024 books) do increase your ability score cap (this is only relevant if you take a non-epic feat for improving ability scores).
Just a note: 30 is a hard cap on ability scores for both PCs and monsters in 5e. The revisions didn't change that. No level of magic (not even the Wish spell) can surpass this. So what's really going on is that the Epic Boons are uncapped to the maximum level.
You are correct, I ment "go past 20" not 30.
Actually, the assorted manuals and tomes (such as manual of gainful exercise or Tome of Leadership and Influence) say that your ability score increases by 2, as does the maximum for that score. So technically you could get 6 or 7 of these and your ability score maximum would increase to like 32 or 34.
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30 This is the highest a score can go. - 2024 Free Rules
The Ability Scores and Modifiers table notes the ability modifiers for the range of possible ability scores, from 1 to 30. - 2014 Basic Rules
This has been the case in all of 5e, and hasn't changed with the new rules. 30 is a hard cap no matter what.
For reference, this is page 10 in the 2024 of the PHB.
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The ability score cap is 30 but most methods to increase it are only able to increase an ability score to a maximum score of 20.
I do not know if this is what the OP was wondering but an item like an Ioun Stone of agility can only increase your to a maximum socre of 20. So if a character reaches level 19 with a Dexterity of 18 which is increased to 20 as they are wearing an Ioun stone of Agility and takes an epic boon that increases there dexterity the PCs dex is increased to 19 and the Ioun stone only increases it to 20 as it is unable to increase the ability score beyond that.
The 20 limit on when adjusting ability scores during character creation. During the game, features can make one go above it to amaximum of 30.
So, my mistake on that earlier post, I just realized what the "as does your maximum for that score" means. It just means your ability score maximum increases to 30.
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