So the charger feat, lets you get a 1d8 bonus to an attack role IF you move 10 feet to the enemy in a straight line before attacking them. Now lets say you happen to be grappling someone. If you run the towards the direction they are to you while holding them, you do technically move in a straight line towards them in a way? Would that allow charger to trigger?
I'd like to hear if you have any ideas, and as to why you think so.
In my opinion, I wouldn’t. It states “move 10 feet toward the enemy”. If the enemy is Grappled, your not moving towards them, their moving along with you.
So the charger feat, lets you get a 1d8 bonus to an attack role IF you move 10 feet to the enemy in a straight line before attacking them. Now lets say you happen to be grappling someone. If you run the towards the direction they are to you while holding them, you do technically move in a straight line towards them in a way? Would that allow charger to trigger?
I'd like to hear if you have any ideas, and as to why you think so.
Thanks!
When the grappler drag or carry you when it moves, it doesn't move at least 10 feet in a straight line toward you since the two of you move together in the same direction.
How i rule Charge Attack, each space or square moved toward the target must be closer to it.
I think yes. You are moving towards it, you have moved 10 feet in a straight line. Toward just means in the direction of. You are holding them in front of you, you are moving their direction, you move 10 feet, you move in a straight line.
The feat has 3 requirements.
1. Move towards, you are facing them and moving in their direction so Check
2. move 10 feet, check
3. move straight line, check.
So RAW yes. RAI who knows but why not, its not like charger is some peak over powered feat, let someone who also grappled have it. Why, because its cool and is not unbalanced.
Maybe, maybe not. I'd of assumed the intent was not to let people use war caster on allies even if it fit RAW. But they have argued for it as well. I can't think of it right now but there have been a couple other RAIs for 5.5 I did not expect. I think they are being a bit more loose this edition.
Also I can see intent in the sense of you are acting like some unstoppable juggernaut, or a truck shoving people for increased damage or whatever. Kind of like a linebacker build, smash in keep shoving and smashing. I think a charger feat fits that idea pretty well.
I think yes. You are moving towards it, you have moved 10 feet in a straight line. Toward just means in the direction of. You are holding them in front of you, you are moving their direction, you move 10 feet, you move in a straight line.
The feat has 3 requirements.
1. Move towards, you are facing them and moving in their direction so Check [...]
IMO, the first requirement is not really a green check. When I read "toward" in the book, my interpretation is that you close distance to the creature or target. For example:
- Forceful Blow. The target is pushed 15 feet straight away from you. You can then move up to half your Speed straight toward the target without provoking Opportunity Attacks.
- Elemental Strikes. [...] On a failed save, you can move the target up to 10 feet toward or away from you, as elemental energy swirls around it.
- Telekinetic Shove. [...] the target must succeed on a Strength saving throw (DC 8 plus the ability modifier of the score increased by this feat and your Proficiency Bonus) or be moved 5 feet toward or away from you.
Per Merriam-Webster Dictionary "Move toward" indicates physically advancing in a direction or metaphorically progressing toward a goal, change, or decision. It implies getting closer to a target, often used to describe trends, intentional shifts in strategy, or physical movement.
Per Word Reference "Move toward" can indicate approach, get closer to.
I believe this is the context Charge Attack is going for.
The Charger feat says "Charge Attack. If you move at least 10 feet in a straight line toward a target immediately before hitting it with a melee attack roll as part of the Attack action, choose one of the following effects..."
In this case, I would imagine you cannot charge "toward" a target you are grappling, because there is no space between you. You aren't traveling in their direction, you are already there. You are already "at" your target. If you are holding a box, it would be silly to say "I'm moving toward the box" if you are just moving forward holding the box in front of you. You aren't moving toward the box. You simply already have the box.
While I don't necessarily think this combination is overpowered, I just can't see it being RAI, and to me it isn't even RAW unless you are really squinting through the rules with one eye closed.
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Hello yall, I have a question.
So the charger feat, lets you get a 1d8 bonus to an attack role IF you move 10 feet to the enemy in a straight line before attacking them. Now lets say you happen to be grappling someone. If you run the towards the direction they are to you while holding them, you do technically move in a straight line towards them in a way? Would that allow charger to trigger?
I'd like to hear if you have any ideas, and as to why you think so.
Thanks!
In my opinion, I wouldn’t. It states “move 10 feet toward the enemy”. If the enemy is Grappled, your not moving towards them, their moving along with you.
That is fair. I suppose you could always ungrapple, walk away, and then walk back
When the grappler drag or carry you when it moves, it doesn't move at least 10 feet in a straight line toward you since the two of you move together in the same direction.
How i rule Charge Attack, each space or square moved toward the target must be closer to it.
I think yes. You are moving towards it, you have moved 10 feet in a straight line. Toward just means in the direction of. You are holding them in front of you, you are moving their direction, you move 10 feet, you move in a straight line.
The feat has 3 requirements.
1. Move towards, you are facing them and moving in their direction so Check
2. move 10 feet, check
3. move straight line, check.
So RAW yes. RAI who knows but why not, its not like charger is some peak over powered feat, let someone who also grappled have it. Why, because its cool and is not unbalanced.
RAI i would be very surprised they intended Charge Attack to apply to a grappled target you carry in front of you.
Maybe, maybe not. I'd of assumed the intent was not to let people use war caster on allies even if it fit RAW. But they have argued for it as well. I can't think of it right now but there have been a couple other RAIs for 5.5 I did not expect. I think they are being a bit more loose this edition.
Also I can see intent in the sense of you are acting like some unstoppable juggernaut, or a truck shoving people for increased damage or whatever. Kind of like a linebacker build, smash in keep shoving and smashing. I think a charger feat fits that idea pretty well.
IMO, the first requirement is not really a green check. When I read "toward" in the book, my interpretation is that you close distance to the creature or target. For example:
- Forceful Blow. The target is pushed 15 feet straight away from you. You can then move up to half your Speed straight toward the target without provoking Opportunity Attacks.
- Elemental Strikes. [...] On a failed save, you can move the target up to 10 feet toward or away from you, as elemental energy swirls around it.
- Telekinetic Shove. [...] the target must succeed on a Strength saving throw (DC 8 plus the ability modifier of the score increased by this feat and your Proficiency Bonus) or be moved 5 feet toward or away from you.
EDIT: for clarity.
Per Merriam-Webster Dictionary "Move toward" indicates physically advancing in a direction or metaphorically progressing toward a goal, change, or decision. It implies getting closer to a target, often used to describe trends, intentional shifts in strategy, or physical movement.
Per Word Reference "Move toward" can indicate approach, get closer to.
I believe this is the context Charge Attack is going for.
The Charger feat says "Charge Attack. If you move at least 10 feet in a straight line toward a target immediately before hitting it with a melee attack roll as part of the Attack action, choose one of the following effects..."
In this case, I would imagine you cannot charge "toward" a target you are grappling, because there is no space between you. You aren't traveling in their direction, you are already there. You are already "at" your target. If you are holding a box, it would be silly to say "I'm moving toward the box" if you are just moving forward holding the box in front of you. You aren't moving toward the box. You simply already have the box.
While I don't necessarily think this combination is overpowered, I just can't see it being RAI, and to me it isn't even RAW unless you are really squinting through the rules with one eye closed.