Introducing D&D Beyond Drops: A Growing Content Library to Expand Your Game

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Since feedback was requested, I would like to express my support for the player-facing options being shared.  Player options are always at their best when the entire group has access, and the benefits here are so minor that they do not justify a subscription for a single character’s build (as one cannot use multiple options for g same character).

I would also like to note for the ranting posters on this thread.. Wizards already said “Our next step is simple: make Drops the program you want it to be. We’ll be listening, iterating, and shaping what comes next together with you. I can’t wait to see where we take it from here!”

They already invited feedback. A bunch of voices engaged in good faith feedback saying “here is why we think this should be shared” is a whole lot more effective than “how dare you Wizards!” posts drowning out the voices actually trying to get this matter to constructively change.

 Here's a crazy idea, hold on to your butts for this one:

You can say what you think should be changed and you can also say "how dare you Wizards!" at the same time. It's pretty understandable why people like myself are upset that player options, which are all 100% shareable, are now no longer shareable. At least not the concept that comes from these drops. Do I honestly have to blatantly spell it out that I think that they should not do this and instead make the content shareable? Pretty sure that's implied but here we are I guess LOL

This is obviously a negative for the customer because all of our content has been shareable up until this point. What's next? Do you have to buy a special pass along with a subscription to share content? Is the $60 a year no longer good enough to share content, are they going to start charging something like $20 a month instead to share all content?

 
Open Homebrew. Make copy of thing you want to share. Save. As long as you share homebrew and do not publish it, you solved your problem.

The reason ranting is ineffective is because, in reality, it is not a topic worth ranting about.  This is a minor annoyance at best, an you lose all credibility when you pretend it is a real problem.

I think this content should be shared - it would be vastly more convenient if it did so automatically.  But, in the end, it is a problem solved in some four clicks.  Anyone who is trying to turn it into some kind of grand conspiracy lacks credibility and therefore is a distraction from those of us who want to provide legitimate feedback. 

 

???? Your solution to a problem that didn't exist before is that the DM now has to manually create a Homebrew item for every single drop they release? Instead of just being able to share it as normal? Wotc created a problem, why does the consumer now have to solve it by paying money or doing extra work they didn't need to before?

This is absolutely a topic worth ranting about, why are you defending corporate decisions made to take your money and reduce the value of your dollar? That is absolute insanity. There is zero reason why content should not be shareable. Subscriber benefits before were personalized Cosmetics that you can apply to your character sheets and the master tier benefit is that everything you buy can be shared. They're Now setting a new precedent that some content can be shared in some cannot. Which is crazy and it's obviously a ploy to get more money from you. Which is bad?

 You start by assuming "share as normal" but the fairly obvious reality is that this is new content of a sort we have never seen before, and thus there is no baseline of what is "normal" for this type of content.  Wizards set the normal for this type of content, now it is on us to convince them it is worthwhile to change that normal.  You then veer into nonsensical territory when you move on to accuse me of defending a decision I have said multiple times should be changed.

I do not disagree with your goals - I disagree with your methods and the fact your misplaced aggression makes those of us who want the situation changed look bad, drowning out legitimate feedback that might be more effective.  You are hurting the cause by lashing out, even at those who would be your allies.  You, and others, should try acting like you are providing feedback instead of rants - otherwise you run the risk Wizards is going to take the same action I am about to... ignoring anything else you post on the assumption it will be more misplaced and groundless personal attacks.

What "new content" are you referring to my guy? Backgrounds, Feats, and Spells are not new. I've been sharing Background, Spells, and Feats for years. The normal for the content is that Master Tier can share them. This is how it always has been, how do you not realize that?

I genuinely do not care how you feel about my feedback method, feel free to moan about how you want me to provide it. I will continue to aggressively tell WOTC they suck for being money grubbing leeches for trying to devalue my paid subscription. 

Man, we truly can ***** about anything, can't we?

" Another important note is that the content in Drops functions like other subscription content—meaning it is not eligible for Master Tier content sharing."

If I were buying physical products for a physical map I could share my maps and those items with my fellow players. Not being able to share a digital thing such as these with your players that you are paying for in my book is not right. If this stuff were a physical product sold by you and we were playing in person with said stuff, the stuff would be accessible to everyone playing. There should be no difference between playing with physical content and virtual content. Therefore there should be no content in D&D beyond that other players cannot access through someone else's subscription.

I personally love the concept of the drops, the only real issue I have is that the player options cannot be shared with non-subscribers. As a forever DM, I don't really have a use for those player options. And I imagine most tables will outright ban these additional player options so they never see use, because not everyone would have access to it. Essentially, you're making it so subscribers have an advantage if the player options aren't banned, even though this is a co=operative experience.

Beyond that, I'm excited to see the future drops and I do hope that WoTC genuinely takes the feed back to heart and change it so the Player content should be able to be shared so that people can use these player options.

DMs don't really need player options, and even if I could just recreate it in private homebrew to share with my players, I question the vetting process and balancing for these player options as opposed to stuff that gets released in official books—it feels like UA getting rushed out just to gain more subscriptions, except this stuff doesn't even get playtested by the public for the sake of subscription exclusivity, so I'm even less incentivized to make use of it

The maps from 4e are appreciated though, and I look forward to receiving more illustrated maps ready for general encounter use

This is awesome! Made by a fan that's now an actual dnd worker!

How do we get access to it? I'm a master tier subscriber but don't have any of the spells or feats listed :/

Odande- Just for clarity, you do realize that you can still share all of the content that you purchased and will remain able to do so with new purchases correct? I cant tell if you are saying you think you have lost all content sharing or if you are just upset that the new subscriber perks are not specifically shareable?

Forgive me if I am missing the obvious.

DMs usually have the final say at their tables, which sometimes includes choosing to restrict certain content. Some prefer to set aside features or items even from official WotC sourcebooks to fit their vision. I feel fortunate that the two DMs I play with generally only look at bans if something is absolutely unbalanced and might disrupt the game's harmony. I plan to start DMing soon and plan to follow their example. It is a bit surprising to find DMs here discussing features being banned without a full evaluation or checking in with the rest of the group, but I guess everybody knows what is best for their group. I am just glad that not all DMs do that.

I am possibly deeply stupid, and likely confused by much of the back and forth, but if I use a Drop sticker on a Map and one of my players doesn't have a paid subscription....can they see it? Or does the Map not load for them? Or does it work normally?

hey so when you adding us the ability to sort our own hombrew library via tags?

I am not happy with it.

Having player options locked behind a subscription makes the subscription forced in the long run.

People should be able to just buy the books and not be left out.

The game is becoming a payed online only vtt at this point and I rly do not like it.

Ps. I have a subscription but I still hate it for people that are not.

I hate every English exclusive releases. Is that what you do to a franchise looking for global releases?

Sweet!  Thanks for the extra perks for my subscription. Love the added value!

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Odande- Just for clarity, you do realize that you can still share all of the content that you purchased and will remain able to do so with new purchases correct? I cant tell if you are saying you think you have lost all content sharing or if you are just upset that the new subscriber perks are not specifically shareable?

Forgive me if I am missing the obvious.

A subscription is a purchase. The new content is gated behind said subscription purchase. You cannot share the content you buy with your subscription, so as of now, you can no longer share all of the content that you purchased. It's essentially a downgrade of the Master tier subscription, while the Hero tier gets an upgrade.

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DMs usually have the final say at their tables, which sometimes includes choosing to restrict certain content. Some prefer to set aside features or items even from official WotC sourcebooks to fit their vision. I feel fortunate that the two DMs I play with generally only look at bans if something is absolutely unbalanced and might disrupt the game's harmony. I plan to start DMing soon and plan to follow their example. It is a bit surprising to find DMs here discussing features being banned without a full evaluation or checking in with the rest of the group, but I guess everybody knows what is best for their group. I am just glad that not all DMs do that.

 I think having in-game options only available to some players because they purchased a subscription creates an unfair inbalance for players at the table, which is very disruptive to the game's harmony. I do not need to fully evaluate each and every feature that is gated behind the subscription service to decide whether or not to ban it, because the entire concept is ban-worthy. Having discussed it with my regular group, they seem to agree as well.

When I play with other groups, it is usually going to be as a DM at a con where I tend to create characters for the players attending – I'll also not include these features in those characters, because I don't want to tell new players at my con table "hey, if you want to keep playing your character in other games, you'll want to buy into this monthly subsciption because this feat you have unlocks another subscriber-only feat". I mean, I usually stick to PHB content only for these premade characters for similar reasons…

I have purchased the new character sets just to get the digital dice and now they are giving them for free...I know I will have them in my account forever even if I am not subscribed, but since I will be subscribed to play, I regret having purchased them... :-(

Umm okay when is this hitting the App? 

I have the Master Tier subscription so me and my players can have access to the same content.

Since this is not shareable, everything except for maps and monsters are useless considering that my players can't use it.

I'm unsure if I necessarily want to call this greed though. Because on one hand they are just giving us subscribers a bonus for the fun of it, but also locking it behind the subscription would be a way to bait non-subscribers into subscribing too.

I think having drops non-shareable is a miss, especially with how cool the spells and feats are so far. I would appreciate it if WOTC went back on this and made them shareable. Or they can make it so content drops older than 3-4 months are shareable.

I do think that for the Master Tier subscribers, the perks should be shareable. It's the point of being in the Master Tier. Non-subscribers only gain access if they're in a campaign where the DM has access. Additionally, Master Tier subscribers are mostly DM's who have no need for player options: they do have a need for their players to have options. WoTC should reconsider this. 

For now, it's at least fine for the DM's to go into their players character sheets and grant them these player options, but that's on a player by player character by character basis, which is not scalable nor efficient. Everything else is auto-shared.