Everything You Need to Know About D&D: World of Warcraft

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So, now we are transplanting popular subclasses into our third party material to up the hype. That's a new low, even for WotC. So if I want to play Swashbuckler in my 5.5e game, I have to buy the WoW books, which I have little interest in? I can understand making a small expansion into other games to gain a bigger following and increase profits, but we're locking some fairly iconic subclasses behind a DnD book for a video game? Honestly, if someone likes World of Warcraft enough to buy the books for it, why don't you just go play the actual video game and leave us TTRPG players to our peaceful existence.

That being said, the amount of content going into these books looks awesome. I hope we get to see more of this effort in Dark Sun and the other titles being released in 2027. Much as I despise the direction this seems to be heading, this looks well done.

Isn't how every subclass has always worked in D&D, along with every player option: buying the new book?

I have no idea what the complaint here is, this book looks fire.

 My specific problem with it is that I don't play WoW or have an interest in doing so, but the large amount of content in these books is aimed specifically at people who play the game. Books like Xanathars are the kind of things I will buy because they are built for DnD, not for a third party franchise.

 So 60+ spells, 11 races, 9 subclasses, new monsters and rules for boss style combat and magic item, all of this is for use in any generic dnd setting. Yes there is a lot of setting information in the book but there is a substantial amount of material that is applicable for most settings.

Be careful though.  In D&D you don't need to initiate a dual to kill other players!

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So, now we are transplanting popular subclasses into our third party material to up the hype. That's a new low, even for WotC. So if I want to play Swashbuckler in my 5.5e game, I have to buy the WoW books, which I have little interest in? I can understand making a small expansion into other games to gain a bigger following and increase profits, but we're locking some fairly iconic subclasses behind a DnD book for a video game? Honestly, if someone likes World of Warcraft enough to buy the books for it, why don't you just go play the actual video game and leave us TTRPG players to our peaceful existence.

That being said, the amount of content going into these books looks awesome. I hope we get to see more of this effort in Dark Sun and the other titles being released in 2027. Much as I despise the direction this seems to be heading, this looks well done.

Isn't how every subclass has always worked in D&D, along with every player option: buying the new book?

I have no idea what the complaint here is, this book looks fire.

 My specific problem with it is that I don't play WoW or have an interest in doing so, but the large amount of content in these books is aimed specifically at people who play the game. Books like Xanathars are the kind of things I will buy because they are built for DnD, not for a third party franchise.

 So 60+ spells, 11 races, 9 subclasses, new monsters and rules for boss style combat and magic item, all of this is for use in any generic dnd setting. Yes there is a lot of setting information in the book but there is a substantial amount of material that is applicable for most settings.

 To add to your point, while these expansions are aimed toward players or enjoyers of WoW, ALL 3rd party expansions are built to work with the standard D&D ruleset and be used in any campaign.  I understand if you want to pass on this expansion because you aren't a fan of WoW but you can always recreate any subclass from 3rd party stuff with homebrew and share it for free with your party.  Alternatively, if it's that important to you, you can get the cheapest version of the expansion and ignore everything except the stuff you want.

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Is it weird to say I am shocked there isn't a Warlock subclass? Idk with the whole Legion faction and Fel magic, it just kinda feels like there should be some kinda idea you can work with. Especially when iconic villains like Gul'dan and Cho'gal ARE warlocks. Like I will put my hands in the air and admit to not knowing everything about wow lore since my exposure to it is via secondary stuff like Hearthstone and HoTS, so if nothing unique could be done that isn't already offered by an official warlock subclass then I'll admit to being wrong and step aside.

 You can play the Warlock class in DnD already.

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So, now we are transplanting popular subclasses into our third party material to up the hype. That's a new low, even for WotC. So if I want to play Swashbuckler in my 5.5e game, I have to buy the WoW books, which I have little interest in? I can understand making a small expansion into other games to gain a bigger following and increase profits, but we're locking some fairly iconic subclasses behind a DnD book for a video game? Honestly, if someone likes World of Warcraft enough to buy the books for it, why don't you just go play the actual video game and leave us TTRPG players to our peaceful existence.

That being said, the amount of content going into these books looks awesome. I hope we get to see more of this effort in Dark Sun and the other titles being released in 2027. Much as I despise the direction this seems to be heading, this looks well done.

Isn't how every subclass has always worked in D&D, along with every player option: buying the new book?

I have no idea what the complaint here is, this book looks fire.

 My specific problem with it is that I don't play WoW or have an interest in doing so, but the large amount of content in these books is aimed specifically at people who play the game. Books like Xanathars are the kind of things I will buy because they are built for DnD, not for a third party franchise.

 So 60+ spells, 11 races, 9 subclasses, new monsters and rules for boss style combat and magic item, all of this is for use in any generic dnd setting. Yes there is a lot of setting information in the book but there is a substantial amount of material that is applicable for most settings.

 To add to your point, while these expansions are aimed toward players or enjoyers of WoW, ALL 3rd party expansions are built to work with the standard D&D ruleset and be used in any campaign.  I understand if you want to pass on this expansion because you aren't a fan of WoW but you can always recreate any subclass from 3rd party stuff with homebrew and share it for free with your party.  Alternatively, if it's that important to you, you can get the cheapest version of the expansion and ignore everything except the stuff you want.

 That's completely fair, and I agree that that's something I could totally do. But my bone to pick is that WotC is tearing apart the books focused on explicitly DnD, and moving on to making more money. It hurts my heart when I see the game I love being increasingly monetized and sold off to other corporations to make a tidy profit. Subscriptions were bad enough. This feels to me like a betrayal of the creativity of DnD, and so I'm not going to buy it. Others can do so. I'm posting my thoughts on here so that other people can see them and make their own decisions. 

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So, now we are transplanting popular subclasses into our third party material to up the hype. That's a new low, even for WotC. So if I want to play Swashbuckler in my 5.5e game, I have to buy the WoW books, which I have little interest in? I can understand making a small expansion into other games to gain a bigger following and increase profits, but we're locking some fairly iconic subclasses behind a DnD book for a video game? Honestly, if someone likes World of Warcraft enough to buy the books for it, why don't you just go play the actual video game and leave us TTRPG players to our peaceful existence.

That being said, the amount of content going into these books looks awesome. I hope we get to see more of this effort in Dark Sun and the other titles being released in 2027. Much as I despise the direction this seems to be heading, this looks well done.

Isn't how every subclass has always worked in D&D, along with every player option: buying the new book?

I have no idea what the complaint here is, this book looks fire.

 My specific problem with it is that I don't play WoW or have an interest in doing so, but the large amount of content in these books is aimed specifically at people who play the game. Books like Xanathars are the kind of things I will buy because they are built for DnD, not for a third party franchise.

 So 60+ spells, 11 races, 9 subclasses, new monsters and rules for boss style combat and magic item, all of this is for use in any generic dnd setting. Yes there is a lot of setting information in the book but there is a substantial amount of material that is applicable for most settings.

 To add to your point, while these expansions are aimed toward players or enjoyers of WoW, ALL 3rd party expansions are built to work with the standard D&D ruleset and be used in any campaign.  I understand if you want to pass on this expansion because you aren't a fan of WoW but you can always recreate any subclass from 3rd party stuff with homebrew and share it for free with your party.  Alternatively, if it's that important to you, you can get the cheapest version of the expansion and ignore everything except the stuff you want.

 That's completely fair, and I agree that that's something I could totally do. But my bone to pick is that WotC is tearing apart the books focused on explicitly DnD, and moving on to making more money. It hurts my heart when I see the game I love being increasingly monetized and sold off to other corporations to make a tidy profit. Subscriptions were bad enough. This feels to me like a betrayal of the creativity of DnD, and so I'm not going to buy it. Others can do so. I'm posting my thoughts on here so that other people can see them and make their own decisions. 

 I can also see your point of view.  I'm excited for Arcana Unleashed and stuff but I would love to see more fleshed out modules and stuff too.  I'm currently running a homebrew campaign now and my fiance wants me to find a campaign that starts at level 5 so she can continue this character but there really aren't many that start at level 5.  So I'm going to continue the plot that comes after Icespire Peak and just come up with some random stuff they can do to level up till the official module starts at level 7 for Storm Lord's Wrath.

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So, now we are transplanting popular subclasses into our third party material to up the hype. That's a new low, even for WotC. So if I want to play Swashbuckler in my 5.5e game, I have to buy the WoW books, which I have little interest in? I can understand making a small expansion into other games to gain a bigger following and increase profits, but we're locking some fairly iconic subclasses behind a DnD book for a video game? Honestly, if someone likes World of Warcraft enough to buy the books for it, why don't you just go play the actual video game and leave us TTRPG players to our peaceful existence.

That being said, the amount of content going into these books looks awesome. I hope we get to see more of this effort in Dark Sun and the other titles being released in 2027. Much as I despise the direction this seems to be heading, this looks well done.

Isn't how every subclass has always worked in D&D, along with every player option: buying the new book?

I have no idea what the complaint here is, this book looks fire.

 My specific problem with it is that I don't play WoW or have an interest in doing so, but the large amount of content in these books is aimed specifically at people who play the game. Books like Xanathars are the kind of things I will buy because they are built for DnD, not for a third party franchise.

 So 60+ spells, 11 races, 9 subclasses, new monsters and rules for boss style combat and magic item, all of this is for use in any generic dnd setting. Yes there is a lot of setting information in the book but there is a substantial amount of material that is applicable for most settings.

 To add to your point, while these expansions are aimed toward players or enjoyers of WoW, ALL 3rd party expansions are built to work with the standard D&D ruleset and be used in any campaign.  I understand if you want to pass on this expansion because you aren't a fan of WoW but you can always recreate any subclass from 3rd party stuff with homebrew and share it for free with your party.  Alternatively, if it's that important to you, you can get the cheapest version of the expansion and ignore everything except the stuff you want.

 That's completely fair, and I agree that that's something I could totally do. But my bone to pick is that WotC is tearing apart the books focused on explicitly DnD, and moving on to making more money. It hurts my heart when I see the game I love being increasingly monetized and sold off to other corporations to make a tidy profit. Subscriptions were bad enough. This feels to me like a betrayal of the creativity of DnD, and so I'm not going to buy it. Others can do so. I'm posting my thoughts on here so that other people can see them and make their own decisions. 

 So by utilizing a preexisting franchise they are hoping to make more money, that is completely true. Dnd was releasing 1-2 products per year during 5th ed maybe a 3rd when they were creating adventures. This year they are looking at 6 including adventure, the only way they can do that is by getting a larger player base, by exploring other options. If they didn't release a WoW book I doubt, there would have been a third season this year. It is as much of a betrayal as Eberron was when they created a contest for people to make a setting for them that they could sell. It is as much of a betrayal as every edition of Ravenloft and Dragonlance were since they were just an adventure they capitalized to make more money. It takes years to make a detailed setting which is not something DnD will do since it is a gamble on whether people will like it. If you can use a preexisting media, a popular book series, moves, ect then it is foolish to not try to capitalize on that. 

WoW might as well have been a DnD setting the same goes with most fantasy ip created in the last 30-40 years. The fact that it seems that if they had slapped the name of Forgotten Realms, or Grayhawk on the book but kept all of the same content you would have bought it with no problem.

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Is it weird to say I am shocked there isn't a Warlock subclass? Idk with the whole Legion faction and Fel magic, it just kinda feels like there should be some kinda idea you can work with. Especially when iconic villains like Gul'dan and Cho'gal ARE warlocks. Like I will put my hands in the air and admit to not knowing everything about wow lore since my exposure to it is via secondary stuff like Hearthstone and HoTS, so if nothing unique could be done that isn't already offered by an official warlock subclass then I'll admit to being wrong and step aside.

 You can play the Warlock class in DnD already.