Must say web site does a good job on tablets and mobiles. well designed. so wondering if app would really be needed
Designing good mobile UI can be difficult for presenting complex data.
The UI designers work primarily on the mobile view and then on the desktop view after that, to make sure that we get a great mobile experience from this site. :)
One thing I kind of want to reiterate is that I still believe that tables should scroll left to right on smaller devices as opposed to being stretched out into a really long and hard to read vertical 1-column table.
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One is not 'gaining electronic access' to their previously-owned physical copies. One is purchasing a new license for intellectual property offered in a different medium.
One does not receive a free DVD because they purchased the VHS years prior. We all choose which medium to purchase our entertainment, knowing it can be outdated as technology advances. :D
This is . . . "insulting" may not be exactly the right word, but it's close.
The physical books that were published less than a year and a half ago are in no way "outdated." If they were, WotC wouldn't be selling them anymore. In fact, physical books are the only way for our group to play the game, since several members (including me, the DM) don't have smartphones or tablets. For us, D&D Beyond would have been more of a campaign manager and supplementary planning aid, primarily used between sessions. It's not as if we'd have been making a permanent transition from one medium to another, like from VHS to DVD. And, as others have pointed out, textbook publishers routinely include access to content in a different medium with a simple unlock code.
I've paid $50 for the PHB, $50 for the DMG and $50 for the MM, and now I'm being told that if I want to use your site to create a Champion fighter (public-domain rules), I can do that with a basic subscription, but if I want to create a Battle Master fighter (PHB rules), I have to pay another $20 to $30. Based on this, you could say that the PHB lists for $50, but a PHB whose content is usable in WotC's own D&D Beyond online tool actually lists for $80 (on sale for $70 for a limited time!).
From your point of view, maybe, this is a bargain -- you can get the entire PHB digitally for 40 to 60 percent less than you'd spend on the hardcover. But for those of us who already own the hardcovers, this isn't giving us a lift up to the next level of technology. Just the opposite: It's a disincentive for us ever to take that step. It's crippling your entire service, so that not only will we not buy the digital sourcebooks, we won't become monthly subscribers, either.
If it's WotC's opinion that its own products are "outdated," the logical conclusion is that the whole goal of this endeavor is for WotC to get out of the business of selling printed books entirely. If that's the case, it may as well be upfront and honest about it.
I've paid $50 for the PHB, $50 for the DMG and $50 for the MM, and now I'm being told that if I want to use your site to create a Champion fighter (public-domain rules), I can do that with a basic subscription, but if I want to create a Battle Master fighter (PHB rules), I have to pay another $20 to $30. Based on this, you could say that the PHB lists for $50, but a PHB whose content is usable in WotC's own D&D Beyond online tool actually lists for $80 (on sale for $70 for a limited time!).
From your point of view, maybe, this is a bargain -- you can get the entire PHB digitally for 40 to 60 percent less than you'd spend on the hardcover. But for those of us who already own the hardcovers, this isn't giving us a lift up to the next level of technology. Just the opposite: It's a disincentive for us ever to take that step. It's crippling your entire service, so that not only will we not buy the digital sourcebooks, we won't become monthly subscribers, either.
If it's WotC's opinion that its own products are "outdated," the logical conclusion is that the whole goal of this endeavor is for WotC to get out of the business of selling printed books entirely. If that's the case, it may as well be upfront and honest about it.
The Champion subclass is and will always be free. No subscription needed. If you desire a specific subclass only, you will be able to homebrew it for free or you can buy that subclass only (3.99 $).
Must say web site does a good job on tablets and mobiles. well designed. so wondering if app would really be needed
Designing good mobile UI can be difficult for presenting complex data.
The UI designers work primarily on the mobile view and then on the desktop view after that, to make sure that we get a great mobile experience from this site. :)
One thing I kind of want to reiterate is that I still believe that tables should scroll left to right on smaller devices as opposed to being stretched out into a really long and hard to read vertical 1-column table.
Must say web site does a good job on tablets and mobiles. well designed. so wondering if app would really be needed
Designing good mobile UI can be difficult for presenting complex data.
The UI designers work primarily on the mobile view and then on the desktop view after that, to make sure that we get a great mobile experience from this site. :)
One thing I kind of want to reiterate is that I still believe that tables should scroll left to right on smaller devices as opposed to being stretched out into a really long and hard to read vertical 1-column table.
This should already be addressed. If you look at the class pages, those giant tables now horizontally scroll instead of switching orientation.
Thank you, sir!
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Grant K. Smith A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
One is not 'gaining electronic access' to their previously-owned physical copies. One is purchasing a new license for intellectual property offered in a different medium.
One does not receive a free DVD because they purchased the VHS years prior. We all choose which medium to purchase our entertainment, knowing it can be outdated as technology advances. :D
This is . . . "insulting" may not be exactly the right word, but it's close.
The physical books that were published less than a year and a half ago are in no way "outdated." If they were, WotC wouldn't be selling them anymore. In fact, physical books are the only way for our group to play the game, since several members (including me, the DM) don't have smartphones or tablets. For us, D&D Beyond would have been more of a campaign manager and supplementary planning aid, primarily used between sessions. It's not as if we'd have been making a permanent transition from one medium to another, like from VHS to DVD. And, as others have pointed out, textbook publishers routinely include access to content in a different medium with a simple unlock code.
I've paid $50 for the PHB, $50 for the DMG and $50 for the MM, and now I'm being told that if I want to use your site to create a Champion fighter (public-domain rules), I can do that with a basic subscription, but if I want to create a Battle Master fighter (PHB rules), I have to pay another $20 to $30. Based on this, you could say that the PHB lists for $50, but a PHB whose content is usable in WotC's own D&D Beyond online tool actually lists for $80 (on sale for $70 for a limited time!).
From your point of view, maybe, this is a bargain -- you can get the entire PHB digitally for 40 to 60 percent less than you'd spend on the hardcover. But for those of us who already own the hardcovers, this isn't giving us a lift up to the next level of technology. Just the opposite: It's a disincentive for us ever to take that step. It's crippling your entire service, so that not only will we not buy the digital sourcebooks, we won't become monthly subscribers, either.
If it's WotC's opinion that its own products are "outdated," the logical conclusion is that the whole goal of this endeavor is for WotC to get out of the business of selling printed books entirely. If that's the case, it may as well be upfront and honest about it.
Don't worry. I don't see WotC going away from physical books anytime so
Must say web site does a good job on tablets and mobiles. well designed. so wondering if app would really be needed
Designing good mobile UI can be difficult for presenting complex data.
The UI designers work primarily on the mobile view and then on the desktop view after that, to make sure that we get a great mobile experience from this site. :)
One thing I kind of want to reiterate is that I still believe that tables should scroll left to right on smaller devices as opposed to being stretched out into a really long and hard to read vertical 1-column table.
I've paid $50 for the PHB, $50 for the DMG and $50 for the MM, and now I'm being told that if I want to use your site to create a Champion fighter (public-domain rules), I can do that with a basic subscription, but if I want to create a Battle Master fighter (PHB rules), I have to pay another $20 to $30. Based on this, you could say that the PHB lists for $50, but a PHB whose content is usable in WotC's own D&D Beyond online tool actually lists for $80 (on sale for $70 for a limited time!).
From your point of view, maybe, this is a bargain -- you can get the entire PHB digitally for 40 to 60 percent less than you'd spend on the hardcover. But for those of us who already own the hardcovers, this isn't giving us a lift up to the next level of technology. Just the opposite: It's a disincentive for us ever to take that step. It's crippling your entire service, so that not only will we not buy the digital sourcebooks, we won't become monthly subscribers, either.
If it's WotC's opinion that its own products are "outdated," the logical conclusion is that the whole goal of this endeavor is for WotC to get out of the business of selling printed books entirely. If that's the case, it may as well be upfront and honest about it.
The Champion subclass is and will always be free. No subscription needed. If you desire a specific subclass only, you will be able to homebrew it for free or you can buy that subclass only (3.99 $).
Turning D&D into something akin to a pay-to-win game.
I love how responsive the team are to constructive feedback. :)
Indeed!
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Grant K. Smith A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
I've paid $50 for the PHB, $50 for the DMG and $50 for the MM, and now I'm being told that if I want to use your site to create a Champion fighter (public-domain rules), I can do that with a basic subscription, but if I want to create a Battle Master fighter (PHB rules), I have to pay another $20 to $30. Based on this, you could say that the PHB lists for $50, but a PHB whose content is usable in WotC's own D&D Beyond online tool actually lists for $80 (on sale for $70 for a limited time!).
From your point of view, maybe, this is a bargain -- you can get the entire PHB digitally for 40 to 60 percent less than you'd spend on the hardcover. But for those of us who already own the hardcovers, this isn't giving us a lift up to the next level of technology. Just the opposite: It's a disincentive for us ever to take that step. It's crippling your entire service, so that not only will we not buy the digital sourcebooks, we won't become monthly subscribers, either.
If it's WotC's opinion that its own products are "outdated," the logical conclusion is that the whole goal of this endeavor is for WotC to get out of the business of selling printed books entirely. If that's the case, it may as well be upfront and honest about it.
The Champion subclass is and will always be free. No subscription needed. If you desire a specific subclass only, you will be able to homebrew it for free or you can buy that subclass only (3.99 $).
Turning D&D into something akin to a pay-to-win game.
I was just reminding the readers the options they have for not-free subclasses.
I've paid $50 for the PHB, $50 for the DMG and $50 for the MM, and now I'm being told that if I want to use your site to create a Champion fighter (public-domain rules), I can do that with a basic subscription, but if I want to create a Battle Master fighter (PHB rules), I have to pay another $20 to $30. Based on this, you could say that the PHB lists for $50, but a PHB whose content is usable in WotC's own D&D Beyond online tool actually lists for $80 (on sale for $70 for a limited time!).
From your point of view, maybe, this is a bargain -- you can get the entire PHB digitally for 40 to 60 percent less than you'd spend on the hardcover. But for those of us who already own the hardcovers, this isn't giving us a lift up to the next level of technology. Just the opposite: It's a disincentive for us ever to take that step. It's crippling your entire service, so that not only will we not buy the digital sourcebooks, we won't become monthly subscribers, either.
If it's WotC's opinion that its own products are "outdated," the logical conclusion is that the whole goal of this endeavor is for WotC to get out of the business of selling printed books entirely. If that's the case, it may as well be upfront and honest about it.
The Champion subclass is and will always be free. No subscription needed. If you desire a specific subclass only, you will be able to homebrew it for free or you can buy that subclass only (3.99 $).
Turning D&D into something akin to a pay-to-win game.
I'm typically pretty patient and don't respond to these kinds of posts, but I've seen this pop up a few times and thought I'd chime in:
There is nothing about this sentiment that makes any sense.
1) D&D is not a competitive game in the first place - i.e. "winning" is not something that actually happens. This would be like saying that by buying one song off an album (instead of the entire album) is paying to win. I didn't think listening to music had winners and losers.
2) Even if we derive some definition of "winning" as "maximum enjoyment" or something, having access to one subclass over another does not objectively impact that framework. We are offering the ability to unlock content in smaller chunks purely for flexibility - it is completely a choice for players, not a compelled requirement.
3) As mentioned in the post you quoted, you will be able to homebrew most anything you want eventually, meaning that if you are willing to put in the work to do so, you won't be paying for anything.
its tiny bit pricey specially being student and all, but doesn't mean I am not excited, as DM though, I am concerned that I have to pay close to $60 again to get the books that I already have :/ none the less I am glad and appreciate the effort that has been put into this ^_^ Thank you
Quote from BadEye>Turning D&D into something akin to a pay-to-win game.
I'm typically pretty patient and don't respond to these kinds of posts, but I've seen this pop up a few times and thought I'd chime in:
There is nothing about this sentiment that makes any sense.
1) D&D is not a competitive game in the first place - i.e. "winning" is not something that actually happens. This would be like saying that by buying one song off an album (instead of the entire album) is paying to win. I didn't think listening to music had winners and losers.
2) Even if we derive some definition of "winning" as "maximum enjoyment" or something, having access to one subclass over another does not objectively impact that framework. We are offering the ability to unlock content in smaller chunks purely for flexibility - it is completely a choice for players, not a compelled requirement.
3) As mentioned in the post you quoted, you will be able to homebrew most anything you want eventually, meaning that if you are willing to put in the work to do so, you won't be paying for anything.
I'd like to throw my support to D&D Beyond on this, as I've seen posts & comments similar to the comments further up on this thread. Here's the deal, IMO -- D&D Beyond is not taking anything away from the game... they are only adding to the game. If they were restricting me somehow (e.g., coming to my house and reclaiming my PHB / DMG / MM and demanding I buy their service), I'd have an issue. They are not.
Further more, I'm not force to buy their service, etc. I can continue to play D&D with my books, Roll20, etc -- the way I've been playing 5e for the last 1.5 years, or I can buy D&D Beyond's various services / levels -- both are my choice.
Just because a car manufacturer comes out with a new car, or Apple comes out with a new iPhone, doesn't stop us from choosing to keep what we have, or buy the new offer.
I personally like the idea of searchable core books, etc. Maybe I'll shell out $20 / $30 for them on D&D Beyond, or maybe I won't -- either way, my choice. D&D Beyond isn't the bad guy here -- they are simple offering a service that some will use, and some won't. Good luck D&D Beyond -- I hope it goes well, as some players are sorely in need of an electronic solution to D&D.
Was wondering how the individual class packages etc... would cost compared to the full books, or is this still something that's being worked on?
EDIT: I scrolled through a few more comments and found the answer to be around $4
I also have to show my support to the D&D Beyond team, everyone is complaining that they have have to pay for things when really there's little need to put out the $90 for the MM, DMG, and SCAG. Very little of that is important if you already have the paper copies.
One is not 'gaining electronic access' to their previously-owned physical copies. One is purchasing a new license for intellectual property offered in a different medium.
One does not receive a free DVD because they purchased the VHS years prior. We all choose which medium to purchase our entertainment, knowing it can be outdated as technology advances. :D
This is . . . "insulting" may not be exactly the right word, but it's close.
The physical books that were published less than a year and a half ago are in no way "outdated." If they were, WotC wouldn't be selling them anymore. In fact, physical books are the only way for our group to play the game, since several members (including me, the DM) don't have smartphones or tablets. For us, D&D Beyond would have been more of a campaign manager and supplementary planning aid, primarily used between sessions. It's not as if we'd have been making a permanent transition from one medium to another, like from VHS to DVD. And, as others have pointed out, textbook publishers routinely include access to content in a different medium with a simple unlock code.
I've paid $50 for the PHB, $50 for the DMG and $50 for the MM, and now I'm being told that if I want to use your site to create a Champion fighter (public-domain rules), I can do that with a basic subscription, but if I want to create a Battle Master fighter (PHB rules), I have to pay another $20 to $30. Based on this, you could say that the PHB lists for $50, but a PHB whose content is usable in WotC's own D&D Beyond online tool actually lists for $80 (on sale for $70 for a limited time!).
Same could be said about that New Kids on the Block "CASSETTE" you bought back in the 90's yet you can now buy it on "CD" or "MP3" now, does that entitle you to the new medium? nope suck it up cupcake... new medium, new access, means more price. I'd honestly rather they sell them at book price, ($50) and let people choose what medium they wish to get... Just cause some publishers do it doesnt make it a standard
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Josef is correct,
the shopfront will go live on 15th August - it won't be possible to purchase content prior to that time.
Please do keep asking any questions though folks, we're working on a FAQ that should be published soon.
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"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
Sweet!
I love how responsive the team are to constructive feedback. :)
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Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
its tiny bit pricey specially being student and all, but doesn't mean I am not excited, as DM though, I am concerned that I have to pay close to $60 again to get the books that I already have :/ none the less I am glad and appreciate the effort that has been put into this ^_^ Thank you
Bah, forgot to ask is the app coming to Android, iOS, or both?
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Was wondering how the individual class packages etc... would cost compared to the full books, or is this still something that's being worked on?
EDIT: I scrolled through a few more comments and found the answer to be around $4
I also have to show my support to the D&D Beyond team, everyone is complaining that they have have to pay for things when really there's little need to put out the $90 for the MM, DMG, and SCAG. Very little of that is important if you already have the paper copies.
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