Monk weapons are short swords and simple weapons that don't have heavy or two handed properties. And you are proficient with short swords and simple weapons. Now of course it's easy to assume that that means that only those weapons are monk weapons but wizard and sorcerer, if you gain proficiency in armor you can cast spells in that armor. And so I was kinda hoping that, that means that if you are proficient with weapons such as a scimitar, then I counts as a monk weapon. Because I really wanna make a monk build with a whip, and I thought well what if I like took 1 or 2 levels of fighter and used a whip then I could still keep the unarmed strike abilities n' shit. But I don't don't that's the case. Just need to make sure though so if anyone out there knows it, please do tell me! ^^
Thank you sir! ^^ I do have xanather's guide to LITERALLY EVERYTHING DAMN THING. (It's awesome) So I maaaay have to tell myself to go finally read it. ^^
Can monks use a glaive? Or even something close to that?
No, they cannot, for a lot of reasons. First, Glaives are a martial weapon; that invalidates it immediately. Glaives also have the Heavy weapon property which makes them ineligible to be a Monk weapon. Not even a Kensei can get around that. None of the other similar weapons will ever qualify either.
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What about Great Weapon Master Feat? Allows you proficiency in 4 weapons of your choice.
Doesn't change anything. Monk weapons are simple weapons (or a Shortsword) which lack the Heavy or Two-Handed properties. You are already proficient with simple weapons & shortswords as a Monk.
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You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Sorry not Great but just Weapon Master which allows you to gain proficiency of 4 weapons, martial or simple of your choice without having martial weapons as a proficiency.
Sorry not Great but just Weapon Master which allows you to gain proficiency of 4 weapons, martial or simple of your choice without having martial weapons as a proficiency.
What about Great Weapon Master Feat? Allows you proficiency in 4 weapons of your choice.
Doesn't change anything. Monk weapons are simple weapons (or a Shortsword) which lack the Heavy or Two-Handed properties. You are already proficient with simple weapons & shortswords as a Monk.
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You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
To clarify, you can gain proficiency as much as you want, unless they get added to the list of monk weapons (such as with kensei weapons) you'll have problems using them with your monk abilities.
Monk weapons are short swords and simple weapons that don't have heavy or two handed properties. And you are proficient with short swords and simple weapons. Now of course it's easy to assume that that means that only those weapons are monk weapons but wizard and sorcerer, if you gain proficiency in armor you can cast spells in that armor. And so I was kinda hoping that, that means that if you are proficient with weapons such as a scimitar, then I counts as a monk weapon. Because I really wanna make a monk build with a whip, and I thought well what if I like took 1 or 2 levels of fighter and used a whip then I could still keep the unarmed strike abilities n' shit. But I don't don't that's the case. Just need to make sure though so if anyone out there knows it, please do tell me! ^^
Thanks in advance! ^^
-Daergiel
There are weapons a Monk is proficient in that are not Monk weapons. Being proficient with a weapon does not change that weapon's properties. If a Monk was meant to be able to do "Monk weapon" stuff with all weapons they are proficient in, there would have been no need to define "Monk weapon".
Here's what you do. Take Kensei, which lets you use a longsword, which is 1d10 when you wield it in two hands. Reskin it to a glaive. Bam, you're done. No reach, but you still get d10 damage. Note that the monk description specifically says you can reskin whatever you want as long as you use legal game statistics:
Certain monasteries use specialized forms of the monk weapons. For example, you might use a club that is two lengths of wood connected by a short chain (called a nunchaku) or a sickle with a shorter, straighter blade (called a kama). Whatever name you use for a monk weapon, you can use the game statistics provided for the weapon in the Weapons section.
Here's what you do. Take Kensei, which lets you use a longsword, which is 1d10 when you wield it in two hands. Reskin it to a glaive. Bam, you're done. No reach, but you still get d10 damage. Note that the monk description specifically says you can reskin whatever you want as long as you use legal game statistics:
Certain monasteries use specialized forms of the monk weapons. For example, you might use a club that is two lengths of wood connected by a short chain (called a nunchaku) or a sickle with a shorter, straighter blade (called a kama). Whatever name you use for a monk weapon, you can use the game statistics provided for the weapon in the Weapons section.
And then when you get to higher levels, pick up whip and call it a glaive, reach weapon, uses your martial arts damage die.
Take the Weapon Master feat and choose Martial weapons that are Finesse weapons which you can be proficient in.
Lets you use dex, but doesn't let you use your martial arts die or your bonus action unarmed strike (though your can still do flurry if you want) since they aren't monk weapons.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Take the Weapon Master feat and choose Martial weapons that are Finesse weapons which you can be proficient in.
"At 1st level, your practice of martial arts gives you mastery of combat styles that use unarmed strikes and monk weapons, which are shortswords and any simple melee weapons that don’t have the two-handed or heavy property."
Proficiency plays no role in determining what is a Monk weapon and what isn't, only the weapon's properties or lack thereof are important. The only exception to the above rule is for Kensei Monks, the weapons they choose as their Kensei weapons are also considered Monk weapons for them. Gaining proficiency in a weapon only allows you to add your proficiency bonus to attack rolls when using that weapon, nothing else.
As a DM I would tell my players that play Monk, their racial weapons(ex. Dwarf, Elf) and/or any feat that grant weapon proficiencies(Weapon Master) will count as a Monk weapon as long as that weapon isn't Heavy and/or Two Handed. I think this should be limited to proficiencies gained when leveling in Monk, not any multiclass gains.
If your character has been training since childhood, why shouldn't they know how to adabt their Fighting Style to these weapons.
A Dwarf using a Warhammer or an Elf using a Longsword as a Monk weapon isn't something that I think is OP. What do you guys think?
As a DM I would tell my players that play Monk, their racial weapons(ex. Dwarf, Elf) and/or any feat that grant weapon proficiencies(Weapon Master) will count as a Monk weapon as long as that weapon isn't Heavy and/or Two Handed. I think this should be limited to proficiencies gained when leveling in Monk, not any multiclass gains.
If your character has been training since childhood, why shouldn't they know how to adabt their Fighting Style to these weapons.
A Dwarf using a Warhammer or an Elf using a Longsword as a Monk weapon isn't something that I think is OP. What do you guys think?
I do the same. If someone has a cool idea with a monk using a whip. They just get that proficency. Why should you limit it to only simple weapons and short swords? I already use that rule in my games. Not at all op.
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Monk weapons are short swords and simple weapons that don't have heavy or two handed properties.
And you are proficient with short swords and simple weapons. Now of course it's easy to assume that that means that only those weapons are monk weapons but
wizard and sorcerer, if you gain proficiency in armor you can cast spells in that armor. And so I was kinda hoping that, that means that if you are proficient with weapons
such as a scimitar, then I counts as a monk weapon. Because I really wanna make a monk build with a whip, and I thought well what if I like took 1 or 2 levels of fighter and used a whip
then I could still keep the unarmed strike abilities n' shit. But I don't don't that's the case. Just need to make sure though so if anyone out there knows it, please do tell me! ^^
Thanks in advance! ^^
-Daergiel
Hi there DaergielTheShy,
as you mention in your post, monk weapons are shortswords and any simple melee weapons that don’t have the two-handed or heavy property.
That's it, other than where a Monk subclass changes this - the most notable example being the Way of the Kensei feature, Kensei Weapons.
You could always ask your DM nicely if they will allow your character to use the weapons you wish somehow as a homebrew rules variation. :)
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Thank you sir! ^^
I do have xanather's guide to LITERALLY EVERYTHING DAMN THING. (It's awesome)
So I maaaay have to tell myself to go finally read it. ^^
Can monks use a glaive? Or even something close to that?
No, they cannot, for a lot of reasons. First, Glaives are a martial weapon; that invalidates it immediately. Glaives also have the Heavy weapon property which makes them ineligible to be a Monk weapon. Not even a Kensei can get around that. None of the other similar weapons will ever qualify either.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
If you mean close mechanically, kensei can choose whips for one of their weapons, if you mean close aesthetically, spears are monk weapons.
What about Great Weapon Master Feat? Allows you proficiency in 4 weapons of your choice.
Doesn't change anything. Monk weapons are simple weapons (or a Shortsword) which lack the Heavy or Two-Handed properties. You are already proficient with simple weapons & shortswords as a Monk.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Sorry not Great but just Weapon Master which allows you to gain proficiency of 4 weapons, martial or simple of your choice without having martial weapons as a proficiency.
I knew what you meant.😁 Does not matter.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
To clarify, you can gain proficiency as much as you want, unless they get added to the list of monk weapons (such as with kensei weapons) you'll have problems using them with your monk abilities.
There are weapons a Monk is proficient in that are not Monk weapons. Being proficient with a weapon does not change that weapon's properties. If a Monk was meant to be able to do "Monk weapon" stuff with all weapons they are proficient in, there would have been no need to define "Monk weapon".
Here's what you do. Take Kensei, which lets you use a longsword, which is 1d10 when you wield it in two hands. Reskin it to a glaive. Bam, you're done. No reach, but you still get d10 damage. Note that the monk description specifically says you can reskin whatever you want as long as you use legal game statistics:
And then when you get to higher levels, pick up whip and call it a glaive, reach weapon, uses your martial arts damage die.
Take the Weapon Master feat and choose Martial weapons that are Finesse weapons which you can be proficient in.
Lets you use dex, but doesn't let you use your martial arts die or your bonus action unarmed strike (though your can still do flurry if you want) since they aren't monk weapons.
Lena, this feat does not ever make a martial weapon a monk weapon. Proficiency is not what makes a weapon count as a monk weapon.
Things that are Monk Weapons:
Things that are not Monk Weapons:
Having proficiency with a Martial weapon does not make it a Simple weapon.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
"At 1st level, your practice of martial arts gives you mastery of combat styles that use unarmed strikes and monk weapons, which are shortswords and any simple melee weapons that don’t have the two-handed or heavy property."
Proficiency plays no role in determining what is a Monk weapon and what isn't, only the weapon's properties or lack thereof are important. The only exception to the above rule is for Kensei Monks, the weapons they choose as their Kensei weapons are also considered Monk weapons for them. Gaining proficiency in a weapon only allows you to add your proficiency bonus to attack rolls when using that weapon, nothing else.
As a DM I would tell my players that play Monk, their racial weapons(ex. Dwarf, Elf) and/or any feat that grant weapon proficiencies(Weapon Master) will count as a Monk weapon as long as that weapon isn't Heavy and/or Two Handed. I think this should be limited to proficiencies gained when leveling in Monk, not any multiclass gains.
If your character has been training since childhood, why shouldn't they know how to adabt their Fighting Style to these weapons.
A Dwarf using a Warhammer or an Elf using a Longsword as a Monk weapon isn't something that I think is OP. What do you guys think?
I do the same. If someone has a cool idea with a monk using a whip. They just get that proficency. Why should you limit it to only simple weapons and short swords?
I already use that rule in my games. Not at all op.