Even IF WoTC's Homebrew interface wasn't an absolute pile of dog shit, I STLL wouldn't be willing to put in the mind-numbing amount of hours it would take to Homebrew all spells and items.
There aren't that many spells being affected. Some of the spells don't even have modifiers or anything and are just text - so those can be homebrewed with a copy-paste taking like 20 seconds. Some are even very simple, like Cure Wounds is only 2d8 instead of 1d8, so you could make a copy in a few clicks, edit the 2 to a 1, and done - that's like 30 seconds tops. Same with healing word. Some like the conjure spells are also easily homebrewed, in like 2 mins or less.
Homebrewing all changed spells wouldn't even take 40 mins, let alone "hours".
Now, don't get me wrong, even 40 mins is a lot when you've paid for the convenience to not do so, - the frustration is justified - I'm just correcting the expectation here.
Obviously, I can't say to Magic Items, because we do not know how many were changed. But for spells - not that many were changed.
I would point to both Counterspell and Power Word Kill as two examples that are fundamentally altered. Counterspell in 2014 suceeds if against a spell 3rd level or lower - in 2024 it always requires saving throw to see if it suceeds. In addition the target of counterspell does not lose their spell slot. This is a fundamental change make no mistake. For enemies that my parties tend to face, if they counterspell a 1/day spell I tend to rule that Counterspell causes the loss of the spell slot.
Likewise Power Word Kill instead of failing if the target has fewer than 100hp, now deals 12d12 psychic damage.
That's just the two that I'm aware of. Given how frequently counterspell is used - users/players deserve the choice of which one to implement. So, sorry, but the time to Homebrew the stuff also requires a DM to look through the two different version of the spells and work out which ones are different to begin with. Given how unweildy the homebrew interface is, for DMs looking to make things easier for their players - that's a lot more work once again piled upon DMs. Any additional workload ploughed onto DMs is unacceptable from a company that has failed to look after the people who literally make the game work.
Hmm... question now that I think about it. It says if we hover over a weapon or spell, that it gives the current content. Does that mean that it will update the item once clicked on, even if you haven't purchased the new rulebook? Or do you have to purchase it to actually use any of the items/spells that have been changed?
Even IF WoTC's Homebrew interface wasn't an absolute pile of dog shit, I STLL wouldn't be willing to put in the mind-numbing amount of hours it would take to Homebrew all spells and items.
There aren't that many spells being affected. Some of the spells don't even have modifiers or anything and are just text - so those can be homebrewed with a copy-paste taking like 20 seconds. Some are even very simple, like Cure Wounds is only 2d8 instead of 1d8, so you could make a copy in a few clicks, edit the 2 to a 1, and done - that's like 30 seconds tops. Same with healing word. Some like the conjure spells are also easily homebrewed, in like 2 mins or less.
Homebrewing all changed spells wouldn't even take 40 mins, let alone "hours".
Now, don't get me wrong, even 40 mins is a lot when you've paid for the convenience to not do so, - the frustration is justified - I'm just correcting the expectation here.
Obviously, I can't say to Magic Items, because we do not know how many were changed. But for spells - not that many were changed.
Don't forget you also need to homebrew any subclasses\backgrounds etc that grant spells, otherwise they'll just grant the new versions. I expect the same with magic items when they are changed, even if the item itself is unchanged you'll need to homebrew if it grants a spell.
True, but again, not difficult and takes very little time.
Don't forget the learning curve.
For the first homebrews a person does, it's quite realistic they're going to be spending ~10 minutes a spell reading guides, trying to figure out what's going wrong, and other things and may still end up with something that doesn't work right.
gentle on the language FrostedPhoenix. i would remove some of those words. i know we are upset but we arent cavepeople
Everything they said is within site rules so please let's not gatekeep language/expression to your specific sensibilities.
srry. i have gotten into trouble for language less than that befoe
I normally don't bother with strong language online, but I specifically checked the Terms of Service for this because of how strongly I feel about this stupid decision.
Even IF WoTC's Homebrew interface wasn't an absolute pile of dog shit, I STLL wouldn't be willing to put in the mind-numbing amount of hours it would take to Homebrew all spells and items.
There aren't that many spells being affected. Some of the spells don't even have modifiers or anything and are just text - so those can be homebrewed with a copy-paste taking like 20 seconds. Some are even very simple, like Cure Wounds is only 2d8 instead of 1d8, so you could make a copy in a few clicks, edit the 2 to a 1, and done - that's like 30 seconds tops. Same with healing word. Some like the conjure spells are also easily homebrewed, in like 2 mins or less.
Homebrewing all changed spells wouldn't even take 40 mins, let alone "hours".
Now, don't get me wrong, even 40 mins is a lot when you've paid for the convenience to not do so, - the frustration is justified - I'm just correcting the expectation here.
Obviously, I can't say to Magic Items, because we do not know how many were changed. But for spells - not that many were changed.
I would point to both Counterspell and Power Word Kill as two examples that are fundamentally altered. Counterspell in 2014 suceeds if against a spell 3rd level or lower - in 2024 it always requires saving throw to see if it suceeds. In addition the target of counterspell does not lose their spell slot. This is a fundamental change make no mistake. For enemies that my parties tend to face, if they counterspell a 1/day spell I tend to rule that Counterspell causes the loss of the spell slot.
There is no character sheet functional difference. It's just text. Homebrewing your original is just copy-paste.
Even IF WoTC's Homebrew interface wasn't an absolute pile of dog shit, I STLL wouldn't be willing to put in the mind-numbing amount of hours it would take to Homebrew all spells and items.
There aren't that many spells being affected. Some of the spells don't even have modifiers or anything and are just text - so those can be homebrewed with a copy-paste taking like 20 seconds. Some are even very simple, like Cure Wounds is only 2d8 instead of 1d8, so you could make a copy in a few clicks, edit the 2 to a 1, and done - that's like 30 seconds tops. Same with healing word. Some like the conjure spells are also easily homebrewed, in like 2 mins or less.
Homebrewing all changed spells wouldn't even take 40 mins, let alone "hours".
Now, don't get me wrong, even 40 mins is a lot when you've paid for the convenience to not do so, - the frustration is justified - I'm just correcting the expectation here.
Obviously, I can't say to Magic Items, because we do not know how many were changed. But for spells - not that many were changed.
Don't forget you also need to homebrew any subclasses\backgrounds etc that grant spells, otherwise they'll just grant the new versions. I expect the same with magic items when they are changed, even if the item itself is unchanged you'll need to homebrew if it grants a spell.
True, but again, not difficult and takes very little time.
Don't forget the learning curve.
For the first homebrews a person does, it's quite realistic they're going to be spending ~10 minutes a spell reading guides, trying to figure out what's going wrong, and other things and may still end up with something that doesn't work right.
Yeah but a lot of the changes are text not something that is functional on a sheet, so those are literally copy-paste jobs. Bearing in mind you're not homebrewing the new versions, just the old ones.
If you want to make your copies before the 2024 releases then "homebrewing" is 3 clicks and a name change because you can instant-copy any spell, without needing to change anything other than the name.
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If you want to make your copies before the 2024 releases then "homebrewing" is 3 clicks and a name change because you can instant-copy any spell, without needing to change anything other than the name.
In which case, employees of DDB, who get paid to make this a useful tool for people who pay a monthly subscription fee, should do that for us. Or, you know, just make 2014 a toggle-able selection on the character creation tool. Seems like they can't be bothered to do either, or have been expressly told by the people whose whole job is to look out for shareholder interests not to do it.
Even IF WoTC's Homebrew interface wasn't an absolute pile of dog shit, I STLL wouldn't be willing to put in the mind-numbing amount of hours it would take to Homebrew all spells and items.
There aren't that many spells being affected. Some of the spells don't even have modifiers or anything and are just text - so those can be homebrewed with a copy-paste taking like 20 seconds. Some are even very simple, like Cure Wounds is only 2d8 instead of 1d8, so you could make a copy in a few clicks, edit the 2 to a 1, and done - that's like 30 seconds tops. Same with healing word. Some like the conjure spells are also easily homebrewed, in like 2 mins or less.
Homebrewing all changed spells wouldn't even take 40 mins, let alone "hours".
Now, don't get me wrong, even 40 mins is a lot when you've paid for the convenience to not do so, - the frustration is justified - I'm just correcting the expectation here.
Obviously, I can't say to Magic Items, because we do not know how many were changed. But for spells - not that many were changed.
Don't forget you also need to homebrew any subclasses\backgrounds etc that grant spells, otherwise they'll just grant the new versions. I expect the same with magic items when they are changed, even if the item itself is unchanged you'll need to homebrew if it grants a spell.
True, but again, not difficult and takes very little time.
According to the Marketplace, the new PHB has at least 380 spells. If they were all text only changes @30 seconds each (which is optimistic in itself due to page loads, searches etc), thats just over 3 hours. Once you factor in that some have mechanical changes which will take longer/more knowledge to make, and the subclasses\feats that grant spells I imagine it would be at least 6+ hours for someone who knows what they're doing, longer still for someone who's never used homebrew before. That is not in any way a reasonable request for a customer who has already paid for these features to be in the system.
Even IF WoTC's Homebrew interface wasn't an absolute pile of dog shit, I STLL wouldn't be willing to put in the mind-numbing amount of hours it would take to Homebrew all spells and items.
There aren't that many spells being affected. Some of the spells don't even have modifiers or anything and are just text - so those can be homebrewed with a copy-paste taking like 20 seconds. Some are even very simple, like Cure Wounds is only 2d8 instead of 1d8, so you could make a copy in a few clicks, edit the 2 to a 1, and done - that's like 30 seconds tops. Same with healing word. Some like the conjure spells are also easily homebrewed, in like 2 mins or less.
Homebrewing all changed spells wouldn't even take 40 mins, let alone "hours".
Now, don't get me wrong, even 40 mins is a lot when you've paid for the convenience to not do so, - the frustration is justified - I'm just correcting the expectation here.
Obviously, I can't say to Magic Items, because we do not know how many were changed. But for spells - not that many were changed.
Don't forget you also need to homebrew any subclasses\backgrounds etc that grant spells, otherwise they'll just grant the new versions. I expect the same with magic items when they are changed, even if the item itself is unchanged you'll need to homebrew if it grants a spell.
True, but again, not difficult and takes very little time.
According to the Marketplace, the new PHB has at least 380 spells. If they were all text only changes @30 seconds each (which is optimistic in itself due to page loads, searches etc), thats just over 3 hours. Once you factor in that some have mechanical changes which will take longer/more knowledge to make, and the subclasses\feats that grant spells I imagine it would be at least 6+ hours for someone who knows what they're doing, longer still for someone who's never used homebrew before. That is not in any way a reasonable request for a customer who has already paid for these features to be in the system.
Now times that by what? Thousands? Millions? of users, that's like 6000 person years? Compared to idk like a week for a couple of developers to add a toggle, it's insane that they've chosen to go down this route.
Even IF WoTC's Homebrew interface wasn't an absolute pile of dog shit, I STLL wouldn't be willing to put in the mind-numbing amount of hours it would take to Homebrew all spells and items.
There aren't that many spells being affected. Some of the spells don't even have modifiers or anything and are just text - so those can be homebrewed with a copy-paste taking like 20 seconds. Some are even very simple, like Cure Wounds is only 2d8 instead of 1d8, so you could make a copy in a few clicks, edit the 2 to a 1, and done - that's like 30 seconds tops. Same with healing word. Some like the conjure spells are also easily homebrewed, in like 2 mins or less.
Homebrewing all changed spells wouldn't even take 40 mins, let alone "hours".
Now, don't get me wrong, even 40 mins is a lot when you've paid for the convenience to not do so, - the frustration is justified - I'm just correcting the expectation here.
Obviously, I can't say to Magic Items, because we do not know how many were changed. But for spells - not that many were changed.
Don't forget you also need to homebrew any subclasses\backgrounds etc that grant spells, otherwise they'll just grant the new versions. I expect the same with magic items when they are changed, even if the item itself is unchanged you'll need to homebrew if it grants a spell.
True, but again, not difficult and takes very little time.
According to the Marketplace, the new PHB has at least 380 spells. If they were all text only changes @30 seconds each (which is optimistic in itself due to page loads, searches etc), thats just over 3 hours. Once you factor in that some have mechanical changes which will take longer/more knowledge to make, and the subclasses\feats that grant spells I imagine it would be at least 6+ hours for someone who knows what they're doing, longer still for someone who's never used homebrew before. That is not in any way a reasonable request for a customer who has already paid for these features to be in the system.
Not all spells are being updated. In fact most spells aren't. Just because they're in the new PHB doesn't mean they changed the spell. Those that aren't updated are left as is.
Also you're not homebrewing the new spells. You're making copies of your current ones.
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If you want to make your copies before the 2024 releases then "homebrewing" is 3 clicks and a name change because you can instant-copy any spell, without needing to change anything other than the name.
In which case, employees of DDB, who get paid to make this a useful tool for people who pay a monthly subscription fee, should do that for us. Or, you know, just make 2014 a toggle-able selection on the character creation tool. Seems like they can't be bothered to do either, or have been expressly told by the people whose whole job is to look out for shareholder interests not to do it.
I agree.
My point isn't about what "should"
My point is a correction that making your own homebrew copies isn't "many hours".
That's it. That's the only point I made.
I'm not on D&D Beyond's side here. I'm just making corrections to misinformation or clarifying expectations.
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Even IF WoTC's Homebrew interface wasn't an absolute pile of dog shit, I STLL wouldn't be willing to put in the mind-numbing amount of hours it would take to Homebrew all spells and items.
There aren't that many spells being affected. Some of the spells don't even have modifiers or anything and are just text - so those can be homebrewed with a copy-paste taking like 20 seconds. Some are even very simple, like Cure Wounds is only 2d8 instead of 1d8, so you could make a copy in a few clicks, edit the 2 to a 1, and done - that's like 30 seconds tops. Same with healing word. Some like the conjure spells are also easily homebrewed, in like 2 mins or less.
Homebrewing all changed spells wouldn't even take 40 mins, let alone "hours".
Now, don't get me wrong, even 40 mins is a lot when you've paid for the convenience to not do so, - the frustration is justified - I'm just correcting the expectation here.
Obviously, I can't say to Magic Items, because we do not know how many were changed. But for spells - not that many were changed.
Don't forget you also need to homebrew any subclasses\backgrounds etc that grant spells, otherwise they'll just grant the new versions. I expect the same with magic items when they are changed, even if the item itself is unchanged you'll need to homebrew if it grants a spell.
True, but again, not difficult and takes very little time.
According to the Marketplace, the new PHB has at least 380 spells. If they were all text only changes @30 seconds each (which is optimistic in itself due to page loads, searches etc), thats just over 3 hours. Once you factor in that some have mechanical changes which will take longer/more knowledge to make, and the subclasses\feats that grant spells I imagine it would be at least 6+ hours for someone who knows what they're doing, longer still for someone who's never used homebrew before. That is not in any way a reasonable request for a customer who has already paid for these features to be in the system.
Not all spells are being updated. In fact most spells aren't. Just because they're in the new PHB doesn't mean they changed the spell. Those that aren't updated are left as is.
Also you're not homebrewing the new spells. You're making copies of your current ones.
Two things.
1: We don't know which spells are being updated. That's not easily accessible information. So at the moment if we want to have the easy-copy for any that change, we do have make them all.
2: The number of people noticing something hidden in a changelog is a minority. I would hazard the majority of users will find out about the replacement of spells after the change hits and the option to just copy the current ones is gone because they've been replaced.
I know you're an expert at DDB homebrew. And with time I understand it can become understandable, but for a lot of people they're going to be thrust into it unexpectedly and they might not know about the awesome guides you and others have put together. So there's going to be a lot of people not sure how to work this stuff.
EDIT: To be clear I do understand you're not on WotC's side here. My main point in arguing this is that I do think it'll be a bigger time commitment to homebrew the spells (and then items) than it might seem. And while you're not on WotC's side, there are others that will say "It's a short time to homebrew it all. Ergo it's fine." And I do disagree with the logic others use, which is why I'm debating the time.
And your guides will definitely be working overtime helping others when the change hits. Thank you for your involvement with the community and all the homebrew help you've offered over the years.
For those arguing it’s easy enough just to copy everything; it’s great that you’ve got the time for that…
I however literally pay for the functionality and automation of DDB. It’s what the whole site was based on - otherwise I would have just bought the paper books.
its not on me to do their job for them - if their is a workaround, then they should be the ones providing said work around; by providing all accounts with access to the 2014 versions.
im not prepared to pay a corporation money for a service that I then have to do the leg work on, because thats literally not the point of the service.
they are fundamentally removing my access to a tool set that I have paid for in all functional terms and saying “oh well you can fix that if you want to manually copy everything over - but keep paying us money though.” Is absolutely insane.
genuinely their are numerous TTRPG systems out there and I’m considering just switching over to them because the repeated missteps of this company over the past few years has become somewhat sickening.
Noting this is responding to VitusW post 243, because the quote tool sucks.
"1: We don't know which spells are being updated. That's not easily accessible information. So at the moment if we want to have the easy-copy for any that change, we do have make them all."
Yes. We do.
There's youtube videos, reddit threads, webpages, and more all detailing the differences for all spells. There's a lot of people who have been given legitimate advance copies and have been sharing what changes there are.
"2: The number of people noticing something hidden in a changelog is a minority. I would hazard the majority of users will find out about the replacement of spells after the change hits and the option to just copy the current ones is gone because they've been replaced.
I know you're an expert at DDB homebrew. And with time I understand it can become understandable, but for a lot of people they're going to be thrust into it unexpectedly and they might not know about the awesome guides you and others have put together. So there's going to be a lot of people not sure how to work this stuff."
Yeah, I understand (although I am by no means an expert but I'll take the compliment, thanks 😂). But most of the changes are slight wording differences or being added to more spell lists. Most changes I'm seeing (and yes, I have the book) are minor and so if somebody wants to use the original it would be rather simple even for new people to just copy-paste the text. Those that have functional changes may struggle initially, but even those are largely minor and there will be videos and stuff showing how to do this.
Is this all ideal? No. Absolutely not. People definitely should be complaining. I'm trying to reduce the panic of people going "omfg I'm going to be spending hours and hours homebrewing how could they do this to us" - because even for absolute beginners, you won't be spending hours and hours. You only need to do this for those you need, and the vast majority of the homebrewing is remarkably simple and mostly copy-paste. I agree nobody should have to do it in the first place, but I'm trying to quell the panic about what the expectation will be if WotC continue being the boneheads they're being. That's all.
I may not be making my point clearly, and if not I apologise, my brain has been hating me a lot extra lately.
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For those arguing it’s easy enough just to copy everything; it’s great that you’ve got the time for that…
I however literally pay for the functionality and automation of DDB. It’s what the whole site was based on - otherwise I would have just bought the paper books.
its not on me to do their job for them - if their is a workaround, then they should be the ones providing said work around; by providing all accounts with access to the 2014 versions.
im not prepared to pay a corporation money for a service that I then have to do the leg work on, because thats literally not the point of the service.
they are fundamentally removing my access to a tool set that I have paid for in all functional terms and saying “oh well you can fix that if you want to manually copy everything over - but keep paying us money though.” Is absolutely insane.
genuinely their are numerous TTRPG systems out there and I’m considering just switching over to them because the repeated missteps of this company over the past few years has become somewhat sickening.
You made this as a reply to me, but I do abhor when people do this but don't properly read my posts. So if there is a tone, I am sorry.
Your post is irrelevant to mine except for the "great if you have time", and yes, it will be time-consuming. My point isn't that it won't be. My point is that it won't be as much as somebody claim.
The rest of your post is based on the idea I'm OK with people doing this at all.
So, for like a 2nd or 3rd time, I shall clarify
I AM NOT OK WITH IT
Is this clear now?
My point is not "well you can homebrew so it's OK". I have never made this point. My point is only that it isn't going to be "hours and hours" or that you need to update "hundreds" of spells. You don't. That's it. That's my point. I agree it is shit you have to do this at all - which I have said multiple times. Please can people (not just you, multiple people) stop cherry-picking and making assumptions without reading my posts.
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The way they are implementing the new rules is not going well. They have a toggle button to use/have access to older material. Just do that with the new stuff.
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I would point to both Counterspell and Power Word Kill as two examples that are fundamentally altered. Counterspell in 2014 suceeds if against a spell 3rd level or lower - in 2024 it always requires saving throw to see if it suceeds. In addition the target of counterspell does not lose their spell slot. This is a fundamental change make no mistake. For enemies that my parties tend to face, if they counterspell a 1/day spell I tend to rule that Counterspell causes the loss of the spell slot.
Likewise Power Word Kill instead of failing if the target has fewer than 100hp, now deals 12d12 psychic damage.
That's just the two that I'm aware of. Given how frequently counterspell is used - users/players deserve the choice of which one to implement. So, sorry, but the time to Homebrew the stuff also requires a DM to look through the two different version of the spells and work out which ones are different to begin with. Given how unweildy the homebrew interface is, for DMs looking to make things easier for their players - that's a lot more work once again piled upon DMs. Any additional workload ploughed onto DMs is unacceptable from a company that has failed to look after the people who literally make the game work.
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Hmm... question now that I think about it. It says if we hover over a weapon or spell, that it gives the current content. Does that mean that it will update the item once clicked on, even if you haven't purchased the new rulebook? Or do you have to purchase it to actually use any of the items/spells that have been changed?
Don't forget the learning curve.
For the first homebrews a person does, it's quite realistic they're going to be spending ~10 minutes a spell reading guides, trying to figure out what's going wrong, and other things and may still end up with something that doesn't work right.
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at this point it feels like they are daring their loyal paying customers to go to google to search for pirated content.
Say it louder for the people in the back!
I normally don't bother with strong language online, but I specifically checked the Terms of Service for this because of how strongly I feel about this stupid decision.
There is no character sheet functional difference. It's just text. Homebrewing your original is just copy-paste.
Yeah but a lot of the changes are text not something that is functional on a sheet, so those are literally copy-paste jobs. Bearing in mind you're not homebrewing the new versions, just the old ones.
If you want to make your copies before the 2024 releases then "homebrewing" is 3 clicks and a name change because you can instant-copy any spell, without needing to change anything other than the name.
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I'm just kidding, they clearly don't have the ability for even that much introspection.
In which case, employees of DDB, who get paid to make this a useful tool for people who pay a monthly subscription fee, should do that for us. Or, you know, just make 2014 a toggle-able selection on the character creation tool. Seems like they can't be bothered to do either, or have been expressly told by the people whose whole job is to look out for shareholder interests not to do it.
According to the Marketplace, the new PHB has at least 380 spells. If they were all text only changes @30 seconds each (which is optimistic in itself due to page loads, searches etc), thats just over 3 hours. Once you factor in that some have mechanical changes which will take longer/more knowledge to make, and the subclasses\feats that grant spells I imagine it would be at least 6+ hours for someone who knows what they're doing, longer still for someone who's never used homebrew before. That is not in any way a reasonable request for a customer who has already paid for these features to be in the system.
Now times that by what? Thousands? Millions? of users, that's like 6000 person years? Compared to idk like a week for a couple of developers to add a toggle, it's insane that they've chosen to go down this route.
This is the dumbest thing I've seen in a long line of braindead decisions. If this happens I'm not coming back to this site ever again.
Not all spells are being updated. In fact most spells aren't. Just because they're in the new PHB doesn't mean they changed the spell. Those that aren't updated are left as is.
Also you're not homebrewing the new spells. You're making copies of your current ones.
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I agree.
My point isn't about what "should"
My point is a correction that making your own homebrew copies isn't "many hours".
That's it. That's the only point I made.
I'm not on D&D Beyond's side here. I'm just making corrections to misinformation or clarifying expectations.
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Two things.
1: We don't know which spells are being updated. That's not easily accessible information. So at the moment if we want to have the easy-copy for any that change, we do have make them all.
2: The number of people noticing something hidden in a changelog is a minority. I would hazard the majority of users will find out about the replacement of spells after the change hits and the option to just copy the current ones is gone because they've been replaced.
I know you're an expert at DDB homebrew. And with time I understand it can become understandable, but for a lot of people they're going to be thrust into it unexpectedly and they might not know about the awesome guides you and others have put together. So there's going to be a lot of people not sure how to work this stuff.
EDIT: To be clear I do understand you're not on WotC's side here. My main point in arguing this is that I do think it'll be a bigger time commitment to homebrew the spells (and then items) than it might seem. And while you're not on WotC's side, there are others that will say "It's a short time to homebrew it all. Ergo it's fine." And I do disagree with the logic others use, which is why I'm debating the time.
And your guides will definitely be working overtime helping others when the change hits. Thank you for your involvement with the community and all the homebrew help you've offered over the years.
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For those arguing it’s easy enough just to copy everything; it’s great that you’ve got the time for that…
I however literally pay for the functionality and automation of DDB. It’s what the whole site was based on - otherwise I would have just bought the paper books.
its not on me to do their job for them - if their is a workaround, then they should be the ones providing said work around; by providing all accounts with access to the 2014 versions.
im not prepared to pay a corporation money for a service that I then have to do the leg work on, because thats literally not the point of the service.
they are fundamentally removing my access to a tool set that I have paid for in all functional terms and saying “oh well you can fix that if you want to manually copy everything over - but keep paying us money though.” Is absolutely insane.
genuinely their are numerous TTRPG systems out there and I’m considering just switching over to them because the repeated missteps of this company over the past few years has become somewhat sickening.
Noting this is responding to VitusW post 243, because the quote tool sucks.
"1: We don't know which spells are being updated. That's not easily accessible information. So at the moment if we want to have the easy-copy for any that change, we do have make them all."
Yes. We do.
There's youtube videos, reddit threads, webpages, and more all detailing the differences for all spells. There's a lot of people who have been given legitimate advance copies and have been sharing what changes there are.
"2: The number of people noticing something hidden in a changelog is a minority. I would hazard the majority of users will find out about the replacement of spells after the change hits and the option to just copy the current ones is gone because they've been replaced.
I know you're an expert at DDB homebrew. And with time I understand it can become understandable, but for a lot of people they're going to be thrust into it unexpectedly and they might not know about the awesome guides you and others have put together. So there's going to be a lot of people not sure how to work this stuff."
Yeah, I understand (although I am by no means an expert but I'll take the compliment, thanks 😂). But most of the changes are slight wording differences or being added to more spell lists. Most changes I'm seeing (and yes, I have the book) are minor and so if somebody wants to use the original it would be rather simple even for new people to just copy-paste the text. Those that have functional changes may struggle initially, but even those are largely minor and there will be videos and stuff showing how to do this.
Is this all ideal? No. Absolutely not. People definitely should be complaining. I'm trying to reduce the panic of people going "omfg I'm going to be spending hours and hours homebrewing how could they do this to us" - because even for absolute beginners, you won't be spending hours and hours. You only need to do this for those you need, and the vast majority of the homebrewing is remarkably simple and mostly copy-paste. I agree nobody should have to do it in the first place, but I'm trying to quell the panic about what the expectation will be if WotC continue being the boneheads they're being. That's all.
I may not be making my point clearly, and if not I apologise, my brain has been hating me a lot extra lately.
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You made this as a reply to me, but I do abhor when people do this but don't properly read my posts. So if there is a tone, I am sorry.
Your post is irrelevant to mine except for the "great if you have time", and yes, it will be time-consuming. My point isn't that it won't be. My point is that it won't be as much as somebody claim.
The rest of your post is based on the idea I'm OK with people doing this at all.
So, for like a 2nd or 3rd time, I shall clarify
I AM NOT OK WITH IT
Is this clear now?
My point is not "well you can homebrew so it's OK". I have never made this point. My point is only that it isn't going to be "hours and hours" or that you need to update "hundreds" of spells. You don't. That's it. That's my point. I agree it is shit you have to do this at all - which I have said multiple times. Please can people (not just you, multiple people) stop cherry-picking and making assumptions without reading my posts.
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The way they are implementing the new rules is not going well. They have a toggle button to use/have access to older material. Just do that with the new stuff.