Maybe I'm missing something, but I've reread this dark "gift" multiple times and I don't see the benefit to it. Since dark gifts can be a choice, why would anyone choose this? If it's supposed to be like Jeckle and Hyde then shouldn't the be some benefit to the new form like extra strength, or a bite or claw attack? What am I missing?
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
Yes, I understand it let's you use one option from alter self, it just seems pretty useless, since it's always the same monstrous form but gives to no mechanical benefit, unlike the other dark gifts.
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
You don't get claws or a bite. Alter Self gives the caster three options when casting, and only the Natural Weapons option gives you an unarmed attack like claws or a bite.
Second Skin specifies that you only get the Change Appearance option from Alter Self, and you only change in to the same form each time you change. Even if aesthetically that form looks like it has claws or fangs, they give you no mechanical bonus.
From Second Skin: "Transformation. You can cast the alter self spell to appear in your second form. When you do so, you gain the effects of that spell’s Change Appearance option..."
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"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing) You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
I think all of the Dark Gifts are a bit flawed. In the same way there is no real mechanical upside for the Second Skin, there is no mechanical downside to Touch of Death. Second Skin seems designed to be one of the options that a DM can give the player as a forced option. One of those 'You make this bargain thinking you'll get great power but JK you get nothing of substance' sort of things.
That said, I do think it is interesting as a tool for RP, but there are plenty of players and DM that won't consider it because why do you need to have a weird mechanical caveat to do some RP thing.
Many DMs are new, inexperienced, or often have to be ruthless with their players because the edition encourages players to go beyond the rules - often a little too much. A Dark Gift like Second Skin gives the DM a mechanical thing they can offer a player that explains the limits of the ability, and also gives DMs ideas for what their own homebrew Dark Gifts might be. The whole list is primarily examples of what these generally look like, with the obvious expectation that DMs who're more comfortable with stepping outside the rules will create their own.
I came across this thread form a while back and thought I should share my implementation of Second Skin.
I wonder if anyone will ever read this...
Anyway here's my idea!!
I've recently made a new character using the Second Skin Dark Gift and I've found a cool way to tie it into the background of the character from an RP pov. While it doesn't do much mechanically or in encounters, it does have physical consequences if it lets up. I'll explain: My character is a Dhampir, but through second skin is presented as a human. This Dhampir form was a curse put on him by Stroud. Stroud cursed my character and under his control, used him as a henchman for many years. he developed a reputation throughout the Barovia as this murderous servant. I haven't figured out yet how he got free, but in doing so he acquired this dark gift and uses the altered form to maintain a human appearance indefinably. The consequences of having people recognise him in his Dhampir form are dire and it could lead to quite the situation (as I'm sure you can imagine).
Now the rules we're playing by are slightly homebrewed, so the trigger for an involuntarily use of alter self is actually the reverse (so stopping to use alter self). There will be a certain event that triggers this, we've gone with having to drink a vial of blood every long rest: if you run out of blood, you revert back to a vampiric form.
I've also found it really cool if you keep an artifact of the original appearance through the alteration. Something like a mark on the skin, wings that you keep hidden, a tail, weird scaley skin, a demonic symbol, etc...
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Maybe I'm missing something, but I've reread this dark "gift" multiple times and I don't see the benefit to it. Since dark gifts can be a choice, why would anyone choose this? If it's supposed to be like Jeckle and Hyde then shouldn't the be some benefit to the new form like extra strength, or a bite or claw attack? What am I missing?
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
The alter self spell cuts off in the van richtens link, i had wondered the same thing, look at the actual spell description
Alter Self
Sounds more like a Role Playing reason to take it rather than cool damage bonus reason.
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Yes, I understand it let's you use one option from alter self, it just seems pretty useless, since it's always the same monstrous form but gives to no mechanical benefit, unlike the other dark gifts.
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
all you get its claws bite or movement
You don't get claws or a bite. Alter Self gives the caster three options when casting, and only the Natural Weapons option gives you an unarmed attack like claws or a bite.
Second Skin specifies that you only get the Change Appearance option from Alter Self, and you only change in to the same form each time you change. Even if aesthetically that form looks like it has claws or fangs, they give you no mechanical bonus.
From Second Skin: "Transformation. You can cast the alter self spell to appear in your second form. When you do so, you gain the effects of that spell’s Change Appearance option..."
"Orcs are savage raiders and pillagers with stooped postures, low foreheads, and piggish faces with prominent lower canines that resemble tusks." MM p245 (original printing)
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
I think all of the Dark Gifts are a bit flawed. In the same way there is no real mechanical upside for the Second Skin, there is no mechanical downside to Touch of Death. Second Skin seems designed to be one of the options that a DM can give the player as a forced option. One of those 'You make this bargain thinking you'll get great power but JK you get nothing of substance' sort of things.
That said, I do think it is interesting as a tool for RP, but there are plenty of players and DM that won't consider it because why do you need to have a weird mechanical caveat to do some RP thing.
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Many DMs are new, inexperienced, or often have to be ruthless with their players because the edition encourages players to go beyond the rules - often a little too much. A Dark Gift like Second Skin gives the DM a mechanical thing they can offer a player that explains the limits of the ability, and also gives DMs ideas for what their own homebrew Dark Gifts might be. The whole list is primarily examples of what these generally look like, with the obvious expectation that DMs who're more comfortable with stepping outside the rules will create their own.
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I came across this thread form a while back and thought I should share my implementation of Second Skin.
I wonder if anyone will ever read this...
Anyway here's my idea!!
I've recently made a new character using the Second Skin Dark Gift and I've found a cool way to tie it into the background of the character from an RP pov. While it doesn't do much mechanically or in encounters, it does have physical consequences if it lets up. I'll explain: My character is a Dhampir, but through second skin is presented as a human. This Dhampir form was a curse put on him by Stroud. Stroud cursed my character and under his control, used him as a henchman for many years. he developed a reputation throughout the Barovia as this murderous servant. I haven't figured out yet how he got free, but in doing so he acquired this dark gift and uses the altered form to maintain a human appearance indefinably. The consequences of having people recognise him in his Dhampir form are dire and it could lead to quite the situation (as I'm sure you can imagine).
Now the rules we're playing by are slightly homebrewed, so the trigger for an involuntarily use of alter self is actually the reverse (so stopping to use alter self). There will be a certain event that triggers this, we've gone with having to drink a vial of blood every long rest: if you run out of blood, you revert back to a vampiric form.
I've also found it really cool if you keep an artifact of the original appearance through the alteration. Something like a mark on the skin, wings that you keep hidden, a tail, weird scaley skin, a demonic symbol, etc...