Ummm, what? The amount of people I've seen here with #opendnd attached to their names accusing people of being shills, white knights, sycophants, and enemies of dnd, for voicing even the slightest bit of disagreement, has been literally nonstop for weeks.
I do not believe this is accurate and is an exageration. Believe me when I tell you that anything remotely resembling anything you are describing (if flagged) results in the offender getting a little message and a warning from a moderator and it's impossible to be "literally nonstop for weeks" - because the moderators do give suspensions for such behavior if repeated.
So when I see your post - without drama and without any ill intent - I say you are just factually wrong.
Assuming, of course, that the things that are over the top are reported. And that the moderators are fair and balanced. And that they're not too busy giving out demerits for people being mildly sarcastic...
But I am positive, 100%, that we have the best, most dedicated, most impartial and morally upright moderators and forum could ever wish for. So I agree with you.
companies goals are to make profit. They tried something, it didn't work, so they stepped back and undid it. They'll try something else, or try again when they think it might work better... But the company is acting how a company acts, trying to profit.
Yes, and bottom line clear for anyone to see is that they obviously did NOT make a profit. So they changed direction dramatically to reverse course.
Now, logically - as a consumer - a company made several really BAD descisions. I'm not saying morally wrong, but demonstrably bad with numbers to clearly back it up.
If I have an employee who almost destroys my business and costs me more money than their annual salary, what are the logical courses of action? Let's say that employee has only been with the company for 10 months and this is that employee's first actual project or "vision". Logically, without any kind of emption - do I continue to trust that employee to do another project? lol
Now, as a consumer - I look at the discisions made by the management of the company whose products I purchase. Logically - did they fix the root problem (the employee who almost destroyed the company)? Or can I look forward to that employee making another series of terrible descisions? Who knows? 50/50 I guess. Now, bottom line - do I want to spend MY money on a product that has a 50/50 future when other options are more stable?
Let's say I go into a restaurant and they ahve a new chef, and he cooks me up the worst tasting s*&^ burger I have ever tasted, and when I complain the chef lies and denies everything and tries to tell me my tastebuds are wrong. A month later, the restraurant apologizes, but keeps that same chef. Do I go back when there is an excellent burger joint right next door who makes a tasty burger every time?
companies goals are to make profit. They tried something, it didn't work, so they stepped back and undid it. They'll try something else, or try again when they think it might work better... But the company is acting how a company acts, trying to profit.
Yes, and bottom line clear for anyone to see is that they obviously did NOT make a profit. So they changed direction dramatically to reverse course.
Now, logically - as a consumer - a company made several really BAD descisions. I'm not saying morally wrong, but demonstrably bad with numbers to clearly back it up.
If I have an employee who almost destroys my business and costs me more money than their annual salary, what are the logical courses of action? Let's say that employee has only been with the company for 10 months and this is that employee's first actual project or "vision". Logically, without any kind of emption - do I continue to trust that employee to do another project? lol
Now, as a consumer - I look at the discisions made by the management of the company whose products I purchase. Logically - did they fix the root problem (the employee who almost destroyed the company)? Or can I look forward to that employee making another series of terrible descisions? Who knows? 50/50 I guess. Now, bottom line - do I want to spend MY money on a product that has a 50/50 future when other options are more stable?
Not knowing you I will not even presume to guess where you may want to spend your money. People do questionable things every day the world spins. People used to buy rocks to keep as pets.
But again, I'll just point out companies seek to make profits. It is what they do. I find it amusing people are acting like a company is supposed to be blindly loyal like their family dog or something but that is the reaction from some. I just do not let myself get riled up when a thing acts according to it's nature.
I do not believe this is accurate and is an exageration. Believe me when I tell you that anything remotely resembling anything you are describing (if flagged) results in the offender getting a little message and a warning from a moderator and it's impossible to be "literally nonstop for weeks" - because the moderators do give suspensions for such behavior if repeated.
So when I see your post - without drama and without any ill intent - I say you are just factually wrong.
It is impossible to do this for weeks straight under the same account. However, different accounts can say different things and some of the people with the "Open D&D" avatar have already admitted to creating multiple accounts in order to get around mod sanctions.
Also, I've been called a reality denier and a bigot when I advocated for patience and logic. I have been harassed via private messages and told plenty more things I wish I could just forget. Stop. It. You may not have seen a lack of civility towards people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been present and that people haven't been hurt by it.
Just because you didn't notice that others were vilified and insulted doesn't mean their experience is invalid and never really occured.
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People don't need to lose their jobs over this to keep my business. They backed down and maybe learned something. If they made you angry and you are still angry enough to make draconian demands, perhaps consider anger management.
I do not believe this is accurate and is an exageration. Believe me when I tell you that anything remotely resembling anything you are describing (if flagged) results in the offender getting a little message and a warning from a moderator and it's impossible to be "literally nonstop for weeks" - because the moderators do give suspensions for such behavior if repeated.
So when I see your post - without drama and without any ill intent - I say you are just factually wrong.
It is impossible to do this for weeks straight under the same account. However, different accounts can say different things and some of the people with the "Open D&D" avatar have already admitted to creating multiple accounts in order to get around mod sanctions.
Also, I've been called a reality denier and a bigot when I advocated for patience and logic. I have been harassed via private messages and told plenty more things I wish I could just forget. Stop. It. You may not have seen a lack of civility towards people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been present and that people haven't been hurt by it.
Just because you didn't notice that others were vilified and insulted doesn't mean their experience is invalid and never really occured.
I mean, forget about individual posts -- entire threads have been ethered at this point, so even if you did take the bait and felt compelled to prove that kind of stuff has been going on, it would be hard unless you'd been carefully making a record all along with screenshots
Which is all part of the playbook. Use alt accounts and sock puppets, ramp up the abuse and general tension, then watch it all melt away and say, "Toxicity? What toxicity?"
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Ummm, what? The amount of people I've seen here with #opendnd attached to their names accusing people of being shills, white knights, sycophants, and enemies of dnd, for voicing even the slightest bit of disagreement, has been literally nonstop for weeks.
I do not believe this is accurate and is an exageration. Believe me when I tell you that anything remotely resembling anything you are describing (if flagged) results in the offender getting a little message and a warning from a moderator and it's impossible to be "literally nonstop for weeks" - because the moderators do give suspensions for such behavior if repeated.
So when I see your post - without drama and without any ill intent - I say you are just factually wrong.
I do not believe this is accurate and is an exageration. Believe me when I tell you that anything remotely resembling anything you are describing (if flagged) results in the offender getting a little message and a warning from a moderator and it's impossible to be "literally nonstop for weeks" - because the moderators do give suspensions for such behavior if repeated.
So when I see your post - without drama and without any ill intent - I say you are just factually wrong.
It is impossible to do this for weeks straight under the same account. However, different accounts can say different things and some of the people with the "Open D&D" avatar have already admitted to creating multiple accounts in order to get around mod sanctions.
Also, I've been called a reality denier and a bigot when I advocated for patience and logic. I have been harassed via private messages and told plenty more things I wish I could just forget. Stop. It. You may not have seen a lack of civility towards people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been present and that people haven't been hurt by it.
Just because you didn't notice that others were vilified and insulted doesn't mean their experience is invalid and never really occured.
It is impossible to do this for weeks straight under the same account. However, different accounts can say different things and some of the people with the "Open D&D" avatar have already admitted to creating multiple accounts in order to get around mod sanctions.
Also, I've been called a reality denier and a bigot when I advocated for patience and logic. I have been harassed via private messages and told plenty more things I wish I could just forget. Stop. It. You may not have seen a lack of civility towards people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been present and that people haven't been hurt by it.
Just because you didn't notice that others were vilified and insulted doesn't mean their experience is invalid and never really occured.
I mean, forget about individual posts -- entire threads have been ethered at this point, so even if you did take the bait and felt compelled to prove that kind of stuff has been going on, it would be hard unless you'd been carefully making a record all along with screenshots
Which is all part of the playbook. Use alt accounts and sock puppets, ramp up the abuse and general tension, then watch it all melt away and say, "Toxicity? What toxicity?"
@Ray808: Oh, it's accurate. I have been here watching this forum, since the start of this whole thing. I have watched long-term users of this forum get talked down to and insulted for daring to offer opinions that differ in even the slightest regard. I have seen it with my own eyes, repeatedly, day after day after day after day. Do not tell me that the events I have seen with my own eyes are inaccurate.
I’m sorry, I mean this with all due respect, but the only one giving a ‘howling rant’ here is you...
Ummm, what? The amount of people I've seen here with #opendnd attached to their names accusing people of being shills, white knights, sycophants, and enemies of dnd, for voicing even the slightest bit of disagreement, has been literally nonstop for weeks.
Slightest? You had people using real world issues people suffer through as a bludgeon and shield to defend a long standing license and damage a brand/community that many supported. Namely for some high risk short term gains, and that threatened the creator community with a "sign or die" style "draft". Yeah people were upset, but to say some of the disagreements were "just love taps baby", is pretty dishonest.
There were over reactions to each other, yeah, but one side was right. Let's not get into a "both sides" fallacy.
Yes actually, Slightest. There were people saying the draft licenses were fatally flawed as they were and needed improvement, who got shouted down and insulted because the opinion they shared wasn't 100% in agreement.
I'm gonna unsub from this thread now, because quite frankly I don't trust you people. Go ahead and say what you like, I'm not going to sit here and be gaslit for not being 100% in agreement with y'all.
Moving back to the topic, clearing out the house is a placating move and unproductive. It will satisfy small minds who can't see or understand how business blunders like this can often lead to a MUCH better company going forward. They don't want to think about the lessons that could have been learned (and remembered since it was such a drama fest everywhere) and use them to become a better company. It's a big coaching opportunity for Hasbro, because the lessons learned CAN be spread across any division they might have. On a whole, the witch hunt to find a name and face for people to hate on and sending that person (s) down the river is a waste of time.
WotC listened and gave what the "majority" of the community said they wanted. Some members are STILL looking for more, which to me, invalidates a lot of their opinions. Screaming for cake, and when presented to them on a silver platter, screaming that the platter was supposed to be GOLD.
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Moving back to the topic, clearing out the house is a placating move and unproductive. It will satisfy small minds who can't see or understand how business blunders like this can often lead to a MUCH better company going forward. They don't want to think about the lessons that could have been learned (and remembered since it was such a drama fest everywhere) and use them to become a better company. It's a big coaching opportunity for Hasbro, because the lessons learned CAN be spread across any division they might have. On a whole, the witch hunt to find a name and face for people to hate on and sending that person (s) down the river is a waste of time.
WotC listened and gave what the "majority" of the community said they wanted. Some members are STILL looking for more, which to me, invalidates a lot of their opinions. Screaming for cake, and when presented to them on a silver platter, screaming that the platter was supposed to be GOLD.
Retaining certain executives who, by demonstration of their history in business, are most likely to monetize the live-service/gacha/mobile game way is not learning a lesson. If you're truly going to pivot towards a place that is more inclusive and equitable to the community and rebuilds brand trust you should not be employing the people who specialize in the very thing the community is against. You let them go to find other opportunities and you find someone who specializes in going down your new path. It doesn't mean everyone involved needs fired. But the primary leadership should be replaced with leaders who will be better stewards of the game and property going forward.
Although I believe that a good deal of the things WotC has done(to be used as an understatement) were not the finest choices, I stand by them for now, as they have improved in the way that they commune with the players.
I do concur that WotC must terminate their desire for money and attend to the people, but the people agree with WotC as well.
Many of the things that people say to others regarding this is unsettling, to say the least. People must calm down.
It's fine to differ from one another's beliefs, but we should not overreact. The fact that people can hold a grudge over something like this is, frankly, quite foolish. And dismissing the figureheads of WotC is not going to help a great deal in any case.
The ignorance and savagery of some of the slander spoken across the forums is unnerving.
It's sensible to be displeased about this, but WotC are working on it, and ameliorating their courses of action.
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It is impossible to do this for weeks straight under the same account. However, different accounts can say different things and some of the people with the "Open D&D" avatar have already admitted to creating multiple accounts in order to get around mod sanctions.
Also, I've been called a reality denier and a bigot when I advocated for patience and logic. I have been harassed via private messages and told plenty more things I wish I could just forget. Stop. It. You may not have seen a lack of civility towards people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been present and that people haven't been hurt by it.
Just because you didn't notice that others were vilified and insulted doesn't mean their experience is invalid and never really occured.
I got PMs too, and witnessed ban- and block-evaders firsthand.
We won. We got everything we wanted. Wotc got nothing. So honestly, the whole "I'm still going to be mad about this" is getting a bit silly. Just go play some games or something.
Indeed, it's over - the entire 5.1 SRD is enshrined forevermore in a license even more unbreakable than 1.0a. Overkill if you ask me, but it wasn't my property, nor my mob to appease.
I'm interested to see what they end up doing with the 5.5e SRD or 6e SRD or whatever they end up calling the OneD&D one, but people will be able to publish content for 5e until the heat death of the universe now, including using the term "race" etc. I still think it's only a matter of time until ol' Ernie's brain cells latch on to a much more annoying and exciting method of trolling the company, but it's not my problem anymore. I hope it was worth it for all involved, but I agree - continuing to demand a pound of flesh or the execs to commit seppuku or whatever else is meaningless now.
[phase 1] Hasbro Incorporated's short term goal should be to continue their internal Intelligence (investigation) check of Wizards of the Coast.
[phase 2] Human Resources should begin the process of layoffs once the middle management meddlers have been revealed; re-hire new talent to replace the troublesome individuals.
[phase 3] Hasbro Incorporated's long-term goal should be to dissolve Wizards of the Coast to gain control of the D&D and MtG IP.
It is impossible to do this for weeks straight under the same account. However, different accounts can say different things and some of the people with the "Open D&D" avatar have already admitted to creating multiple accounts in order to get around mod sanctions.
Also, I've been called a reality denier and a bigot when I advocated for patience and logic. I have been harassed via private messages and told plenty more things I wish I could just forget. Stop. It. You may not have seen a lack of civility towards people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been present and that people haven't been hurt by it.
Just because you didn't notice that others were vilified and insulted doesn't mean their experience is invalid and never really occured.
I got PMs too, and witnessed ban- and block-evaders firsthand.
We won. We got everything we wanted. Wotc got nothing. So honestly, the whole "I'm still going to be mad about this" is getting a bit silly. Just go play some games or something.
Indeed, it's over - the entire 5.1 SRD is enshrined forevermore in a license even more unbreakable than 1.0a. Overkill if you ask me, but it wasn't my property, nor my mob to appease.
I'm interested to see what they end up doing with the 5.5e SRD or 6e SRD or whatever they end up calling the OneD&D one, but people will be able to publish content for 5e until the heat death of the universe now, including using the term "race" etc. I still think it's only a matter of time until ol' Ernie's brain cells latch on to a much more annoying and exciting method of trolling the company, but it's not my problem anymore. I hope it was worth it for all involved, but I agree - continuing to demand a pound of flesh or the execs to commit seppuku or whatever else is meaningless now.
Please stop referring to people like me as a "mob." I don't appreciate it.
@Ray808: Oh, it's accurate. I have been here watching this forum, since the start of this whole thing. I have watched long-term users of this forum get talked down to and insulted for daring to offer opinions that differ in even the slightest regard. I have seen it with my own eyes, repeatedly, day after day after day after day. Do not tell me that the events I have seen with my own eyes are inaccurate.
It is literally impossible that anything was posted in this forum "literally nonstop for weeks."
Can we just learn what "literally" means? And not just use ridiculously hyperbolic statements casually and expect reasonable people to accept them as fact?
How is anyone supposed to have a consistent and fair debate when the debate is partly based on posts that have been deleted? No wonder people think they're being gaslighted.
This forum is one of the unfriendliest, reactionary hellholes I've ever encountered, and I remember the sort of catastrophically awful forum communities we had in the 90s. I don't envy the moderators, but frankly I can't say that deleting posts is helping to produce calm and reasoned conversation. I started posting here to voice my concerns over OGL1.1, which I did as calmly and reasonably as I could, and all I've seen in return is bile.
Congratulations on being the most uninviting, unwelcoming, unreasonable forum to newcomers I've ever encountered. I'm done here.
Although I believe that a good deal of the things WotC has done(to be used as an understatement) were not the finest choices, I stand by them for now, as they have improved in the way that they commune with the players.
I do concur that WotC must terminate their desire for money and attend to the people, but the people agree with WotC as well.
Many of the things that people say to others regarding this is unsettling, to say the least. People must calm down.
It's fine to differ from one another's beliefs, but we should not overreact. The fact that people can hold a grudge over something like this is, frankly, quite foolish. And dismissing the figureheads of WotC is not going to help a great deal in any case.
The ignorance and savagery of some of the slander spoken across the forums is unnerving.
It's sensible to be displeased about this, but WotC are working on it, and ameliorating their courses of action.
For a company to succeed and continue as a going concern then it has to concern itself with income, wizards is not a Non Profit or charity.
Someone somewhere made a mistake, a big mistake, that has cost Wizards real money, and has resulted in some awful customer service, and it took drastic action on the part of it's customers to force it to change.
However I agree the internet now needs to calm down and wait and see what happens next. We don't know who the decision makers where, for all we know the initial OGL changes might have come from Jeremy Crawford. All we have are internal sources, some of which have shown to be either wrong, or wrongly quoted at times that claim this all came from "higher ups" Now, that phrase could refer to anyone who is in a position of seniority to the person making the leak.
Wizards are doing something that very few corporations do, listening to the consumer and working to make up for the mistake with real action. Yes they made a big mistake, but, unless someone is a shareholder they have no right to demand anyone is sacked, mainly because they don't know who it was that came up with the initial idea and then got it signed off on. people also don't know what internal actions are going to take place over this. Assuming this was all an idea from a C suite level shows a simplistic view of how organisations like this operate. This idea will have been signed off at a C suite level, probably, but it would have come from lower down the chain and been presented to the C suite as not a big deal it won't cause any issues. If you think a C suite employee was making the 1.1 OGL, or coming up with the wording of it.
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Assuming, of course, that the things that are over the top are reported. And that the moderators are fair and balanced. And that they're not too busy giving out demerits for people being mildly sarcastic...
But I am positive, 100%, that we have the best, most dedicated, most impartial and morally upright moderators and forum could ever wish for. So I agree with you.
Yes, and bottom line clear for anyone to see is that they obviously did NOT make a profit. So they changed direction dramatically to reverse course.
Now, logically - as a consumer - a company made several really BAD descisions. I'm not saying morally wrong, but demonstrably bad with numbers to clearly back it up.
If I have an employee who almost destroys my business and costs me more money than their annual salary, what are the logical courses of action? Let's say that employee has only been with the company for 10 months and this is that employee's first actual project or "vision". Logically, without any kind of emption - do I continue to trust that employee to do another project? lol
Now, as a consumer - I look at the discisions made by the management of the company whose products I purchase. Logically - did they fix the root problem (the employee who almost destroyed the company)? Or can I look forward to that employee making another series of terrible descisions? Who knows? 50/50 I guess. Now, bottom line - do I want to spend MY money on a product that has a 50/50 future when other options are more stable?
Let's say I go into a restaurant and they ahve a new chef, and he cooks me up the worst tasting s*&^ burger I have ever tasted, and when I complain the chef lies and denies everything and tries to tell me my tastebuds are wrong. A month later, the restraurant apologizes, but keeps that same chef. Do I go back when there is an excellent burger joint right next door who makes a tasty burger every time?
Not knowing you I will not even presume to guess where you may want to spend your money. People do questionable things every day the world spins. People used to buy rocks to keep as pets.
But again, I'll just point out companies seek to make profits. It is what they do. I find it amusing people are acting like a company is supposed to be blindly loyal like their family dog or something but that is the reaction from some. I just do not let myself get riled up when a thing acts according to it's nature.
It is impossible to do this for weeks straight under the same account. However, different accounts can say different things and some of the people with the "Open D&D" avatar have already admitted to creating multiple accounts in order to get around mod sanctions.
Also, I've been called a reality denier and a bigot when I advocated for patience and logic. I have been harassed via private messages and told plenty more things I wish I could just forget. Stop. It. You may not have seen a lack of civility towards people who disagree with you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been present and that people haven't been hurt by it.
Just because you didn't notice that others were vilified and insulted doesn't mean their experience is invalid and never really occured.
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HERE.People don't need to lose their jobs over this to keep my business. They backed down and maybe learned something. If they made you angry and you are still angry enough to make draconian demands, perhaps consider anger management.
I mean, forget about individual posts -- entire threads have been ethered at this point, so even if you did take the bait and felt compelled to prove that kind of stuff has been going on, it would be hard unless you'd been carefully making a record all along with screenshots
Which is all part of the playbook. Use alt accounts and sock puppets, ramp up the abuse and general tension, then watch it all melt away and say, "Toxicity? What toxicity?"
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@Ray808: Oh, it's accurate. I have been here watching this forum, since the start of this whole thing. I have watched long-term users of this forum get talked down to and insulted for daring to offer opinions that differ in even the slightest regard. I have seen it with my own eyes, repeatedly, day after day after day after day. Do not tell me that the events I have seen with my own eyes are inaccurate.
Yes actually, Slightest. There were people saying the draft licenses were fatally flawed as they were and needed improvement, who got shouted down and insulted because the opinion they shared wasn't 100% in agreement.
I'm gonna unsub from this thread now, because quite frankly I don't trust you people. Go ahead and say what you like, I'm not going to sit here and be gaslit for not being 100% in agreement with y'all.
Moving back to the topic, clearing out the house is a placating move and unproductive. It will satisfy small minds who can't see or understand how business blunders like this can often lead to a MUCH better company going forward. They don't want to think about the lessons that could have been learned (and remembered since it was such a drama fest everywhere) and use them to become a better company. It's a big coaching opportunity for Hasbro, because the lessons learned CAN be spread across any division they might have. On a whole, the witch hunt to find a name and face for people to hate on and sending that person (s) down the river is a waste of time.
WotC listened and gave what the "majority" of the community said they wanted. Some members are STILL looking for more, which to me, invalidates a lot of their opinions. Screaming for cake, and when presented to them on a silver platter, screaming that the platter was supposed to be GOLD.
Talk to your Players. Talk to your DM. If more people used this advice, there would be 24.74% fewer threads on Tactics, Rules and DM discussions.
Execs at large companies don't lose their jobs just because they alienated all their customers or engaged in unfair business practices.
They lose their jobs when their actions result in lost profits and falling stock prices.
Oh, wait...
Behind every successful Warlock, there's an angry mob.
Retaining certain executives who, by demonstration of their history in business, are most likely to monetize the live-service/gacha/mobile game way is not learning a lesson. If you're truly going to pivot towards a place that is more inclusive and equitable to the community and rebuilds brand trust you should not be employing the people who specialize in the very thing the community is against. You let them go to find other opportunities and you find someone who specializes in going down your new path. It doesn't mean everyone involved needs fired. But the primary leadership should be replaced with leaders who will be better stewards of the game and property going forward.
Although I believe that a good deal of the things WotC has done(to be used as an understatement) were not the finest choices, I stand by them for now, as they have improved in the way that they commune with the players.
I do concur that WotC must terminate their desire for money and attend to the people, but the people agree with WotC as well.
Many of the things that people say to others regarding this is unsettling, to say the least. People must calm down.
It's fine to differ from one another's beliefs, but we should not overreact. The fact that people can hold a grudge over something like this is, frankly, quite foolish. And dismissing the figureheads of WotC is not going to help a great deal in any case.
The ignorance and savagery of some of the slander spoken across the forums is unnerving.
It's sensible to be displeased about this, but WotC are working on it, and ameliorating their courses of action.
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I got PMs too, and witnessed ban- and block-evaders firsthand.
Indeed, it's over - the entire 5.1 SRD is enshrined forevermore in a license even more unbreakable than 1.0a. Overkill if you ask me, but it wasn't my property, nor my mob to appease.
I'm interested to see what they end up doing with the 5.5e SRD or 6e SRD or whatever they end up calling the OneD&D one, but people will be able to publish content for 5e until the heat death of the universe now, including using the term "race" etc. I still think it's only a matter of time until ol' Ernie's brain cells latch on to a much more annoying and exciting method of trolling the company, but it's not my problem anymore. I hope it was worth it for all involved, but I agree - continuing to demand a pound of flesh or the execs to commit seppuku or whatever else is meaningless now.
A suggestion:
[phase 1] Hasbro Incorporated's short term goal should be to continue their internal Intelligence (investigation) check of Wizards of the Coast.
[phase 2] Human Resources should begin the process of layoffs once the middle management meddlers have been revealed; re-hire new talent to replace the troublesome individuals.
[phase 3] Hasbro Incorporated's long-term goal should be to dissolve Wizards of the Coast to gain control of the D&D and MtG IP.
Please stop referring to people like me as a "mob." I don't appreciate it.
It is literally impossible that anything was posted in this forum "literally nonstop for weeks."
Can we just learn what "literally" means? And not just use ridiculously hyperbolic statements casually and expect reasonable people to accept them as fact?
Oh no. Literally is an accurate descriptor.
Also, I'm just going to say this now. Do not respond to me any further. I don't appreciate people who think they can talk down to me.
How is anyone supposed to have a consistent and fair debate when the debate is partly based on posts that have been deleted? No wonder people think they're being gaslighted.
This forum is one of the unfriendliest, reactionary hellholes I've ever encountered, and I remember the sort of catastrophically awful forum communities we had in the 90s. I don't envy the moderators, but frankly I can't say that deleting posts is helping to produce calm and reasoned conversation. I started posting here to voice my concerns over OGL1.1, which I did as calmly and reasonably as I could, and all I've seen in return is bile.
Congratulations on being the most uninviting, unwelcoming, unreasonable forum to newcomers I've ever encountered. I'm done here.
For a company to succeed and continue as a going concern then it has to concern itself with income, wizards is not a Non Profit or charity.
Someone somewhere made a mistake, a big mistake, that has cost Wizards real money, and has resulted in some awful customer service, and it took drastic action on the part of it's customers to force it to change.
However I agree the internet now needs to calm down and wait and see what happens next. We don't know who the decision makers where, for all we know the initial OGL changes might have come from Jeremy Crawford. All we have are internal sources, some of which have shown to be either wrong, or wrongly quoted at times that claim this all came from "higher ups" Now, that phrase could refer to anyone who is in a position of seniority to the person making the leak.
Wizards are doing something that very few corporations do, listening to the consumer and working to make up for the mistake with real action. Yes they made a big mistake, but, unless someone is a shareholder they have no right to demand anyone is sacked, mainly because they don't know who it was that came up with the initial idea and then got it signed off on. people also don't know what internal actions are going to take place over this. Assuming this was all an idea from a C suite level shows a simplistic view of how organisations like this operate. This idea will have been signed off at a C suite level, probably, but it would have come from lower down the chain and been presented to the C suite as not a big deal it won't cause any issues. If you think a C suite employee was making the 1.1 OGL, or coming up with the wording of it.