I still say a toggle would solve far more issues than it would create, it isn't like the new rules won't sell because there is a toggle to turn them off, though there are plenty of people that will not buy anything until there is a toggle from several threads on this site alone.
This is the only thing I will address because I agree with it, just like I did when our conversation started. It does solve a lot of problems. More than it creates too. But it does not drive business toward their product, so while the number of problems solved vs created favors the toggle in a vacuum, the problems are weighted very differently in a practical business sense. The one problem it creates is a big problem; which is that players will use it and not, therefore, be incentivized to consume 2024 content of any kind. For this reason, I do not believe it will happen. It might, I just don't think it would be a good idea to count on them doing it. If that means you need a vacation from D&D, please see my above recommendations. There are things similar to D&D there and some things very different. All are worth trying.
This marketing strategy chases off sales too, but I guess if there is no way to quantify the loss of business to the sales made from sheer aggravation it is hard to say it doesn't work, but just as hard to say it does. It is just sad to that as a business plan, aggravate the customer to get them to buy the product. That is a guaranteed way to lose some sales, a toggle may not push people to buy the new books, but it will chase far fewer away from it. I guess I just remember the days when the product was so good you just had to let people know it was available and they would buy it, this new marketing strategy of aggravate until they rage buy or quit is very odd, but D&D is not the only place it is used. It is very unnecessary if you have a really good product. This type of marketing has many parallels in human behaviour and not very many are positive.
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This marketing strategy chases off sales too, but I guess if there is no way to quantify the loss of business to the sales made from sheer aggravation it is hard to say it doesn't work, but just as hard to say it does. It is just sad to that as a business plan, aggravate the customer to get them to buy the product. That is a guaranteed way to lose some sales, a toggle may not push people to buy the new books, but it will chase far fewer away from it. I guess I just remember the days when the product was so good you just had to let people know it was available and they would buy it, this new marketing strategy of aggravate until they rage buy or quit is very odd, but D&D is not the only place it is used. It is very unnecessary if you have a really good product. This type of marketing has many parallels in human behaviour and not very many are positive.
That's a point I made previously... wearing down your customers until they buy your new product is not a great marketing strategy. I would think this would have the opposite of the intended outcome.
I would love to have a toggle that hides all legacy content. It could go next to the toggle that hides all 2024 content. Leave the toggles alone and you get to see all of the content. Seems simple enough to me.
I would love to have a toggle that hides all legacy content. It could go next to the toggle that hides all 2024 content. Leave the toggles alone and you get to see all of the content. Seems simple enough to me.
Yet will we get that disable all 2024+ content toggle?
It does seem like a fair number of people are wanting that toggle right now more than they really want the new rules, so why not give the toggle while working on the site to prepare it and the community for the changes to come?
This marketing strategy chases off sales too, but I guess if there is no way to quantify the loss of business to the sales made from sheer aggravation it is hard to say it doesn't work, but just as hard to say it does. It is just sad to that as a business plan, aggravate the customer to get them to buy the product. That is a guaranteed way to lose some sales, a toggle may not push people to buy the new books, but it will chase far fewer away from it. I guess I just remember the days when the product was so good you just had to let people know it was available and they would buy it, this new marketing strategy of aggravate until they rage buy or quit is very odd, but D&D is not the only place it is used. It is very unnecessary if you have a really good product. This type of marketing has many parallels in human behaviour and not very many are positive.
That's a point I made previously... wearing down your customers until they buy your new product is not a great marketing strategy. I would think this would have the opposite of the intended outcome.
It looks like we are stuck with this style of bully 'em marketing as long as they think it is working, so until enough people vote with their wallets this is what marketing will be here. Rage quit, or rage buy.
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Only if the marketing triggers rage? As a person not consumed by rage in this way, it's just normal marketing to me and, at worst, I'm just neutral buying (but actually I'm rather happy with the changes, so I guess I'm joy buying?)
I imagine some of this is because they planned to just update the rules until late August. Likely because of limitations in how the site was coded, so double entries are hard—they need to fix every link in every book as it wasn't future proofed for multiple variants of the same rules.
There wasn't time to do it all in the last month, so some changes will be rolled back as the staff gets it done. But coding takes time.
I would love to have a toggle that hides all legacy content. It could go next to the toggle that hides all 2024 content. Leave the toggles alone and you get to see all of the content. Seems simple enough to me.
Yet will we get that disable all 2024+ content toggle?
It does seem like a fair number of people are wanting that toggle right now more than they really want the new rules, so why not give the toggle while working on the site to prepare it and the community for the changes to come?
So you know how to underline text, so? Are you telling us a toggle is coming soon?
I am telling you that if you had actually read what I had typed, you would understand that I would llike for you to have your requested toggle. The coding that we both want goes hand in hand with one another and we would both benefit from it.
So you know how to underline text, so? Are you telling us a toggle is coming soon?
I feel the text was underlined because your response seemed to indicate you didn't read or comprehend what was written.
I read it perfectly clear, like you they would rather individual’s like myself just sit down and be quiet right?
If you, or anyone else for that matter don’t care for the conversation, why are ya’ll so hell bent on trying to convince people that what they want is too much to ask for?
And that ask is for a toggle that disables 2024 content, so 2014 can be used without needless waste of time separating the two.
And, Btw you still never answered my previous question in a previous post, did you not read or comprehend what was posted?
Ah, I should have read down the thread further. Good afternoon to you.
Only if the marketing triggers rage? As a person not consumed by rage in this way, it's just normal marketing to me and, at worst, I'm just neutral buying (but actually I'm rather happy with the changes, so I guess I'm joy buying?)
Are you saying you find joy in this style of marketing and it is what lead you to purchase the '24 PHB?
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I was inspired to purchase the 2024 rules by the playtest material and the follow up videos going over the changes. I feel that most the changes to the rules have been for the better. DnDBeyond may be owned by WotC, but it is a product and I can be perfectly happy with one product and unhappy with another from the same company. In this particular case, I would love a toggle for this product to make sorting through other the products easier. If that doesn't happen, then this product has less value to me than it would otherwise.
My dad taught me to play with pen and paper character sheets, and I am perfectly content to use that method. I can and do live without the character builder and as the site becomes more cluttered I may or may not invest more into this product. I am not angry about it though.
I was inspired to purchase the 2024 rules by the playtest material and the follow up videos going over the changes. I feel that most the changes to the rules have been for the better. DnDBeyond may be owned by WotC, but it is a product and I can be perfectly happy with one product and unhappy with another from the same company. In this particular case, I would love a toggle for this product to make sorting through other the products easier. If that doesn't happen, then this product has less value to me than it would otherwise.
My dad taught me to play with pen and paper character sheets, and I am perfectly content to use that method. I can and do live without the character builder and as the site becomes more cluttered I may or may not invest more into this product. I am not angry about it though.
So the spamming of the 2014 rules with the new stuff had no influence on you purchasing the '24 PHB?
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I was inspired to purchase the 2024 rules by the playtest material and the follow up videos going over the changes. I feel that most the changes to the rules have been for the better. DnDBeyond may be owned by WotC, but it is a product and I can be perfectly happy with one product and unhappy with another from the same company. In this particular case, I would love a toggle for this product to make sorting through other the products easier. If that doesn't happen, then this product has less value to me than it would otherwise.
My dad taught me to play with pen and paper character sheets, and I am perfectly content to use that method. I can and do live without the character builder and as the site becomes more cluttered I may or may not invest more into this product. I am not angry about it though.
So the spamming of the 2014 rules with the new stuff had no influence on you purchasing the '24 PHB?
Sorry but no.
Edit: I can see how it might be frustrating to those that are finishing up 2014 campaigns that DnDBeyond mixed the rules together. They really should have left the 2014 builder version intact for people playing 2014 games and used a copy as the base for the 2024 version. Kind of like how you can have Windows 10 and 11 versions that are available at the same time. However that doesn't have an impact on me personally. I just don't want to have 2 of everything to dig through when I do searches.
This marketing strategy chases off sales too, but I guess if there is no way to quantify the loss of business to the sales made from sheer aggravation it is hard to say it doesn't work, but just as hard to say it does. It is just sad to that as a business plan, aggravate the customer to get them to buy the product. That is a guaranteed way to lose some sales, a toggle may not push people to buy the new books, but it will chase far fewer away from it. I guess I just remember the days when the product was so good you just had to let people know it was available and they would buy it, this new marketing strategy of aggravate until they rage buy or quit is very odd, but D&D is not the only place it is used. It is very unnecessary if you have a really good product. This type of marketing has many parallels in human behaviour and not very many are positive.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
That's a point I made previously... wearing down your customers until they buy your new product is not a great marketing strategy. I would think this would have the opposite of the intended outcome.
I would love to have a toggle that hides all legacy content. It could go next to the toggle that hides all 2024 content. Leave the toggles alone and you get to see all of the content. Seems simple enough to me.
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It looks like we are stuck with this style of bully 'em marketing as long as they think it is working, so until enough people vote with their wallets this is what marketing will be here. Rage quit, or rage buy.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Or....and hear me out here......maybe don't just focus on the rage dichotomy? People can quit or buy predicated on a wide range of feelings.
Well it is called rage marketing, so gotta have the rage or it isn't working.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Only if the marketing triggers rage? As a person not consumed by rage in this way, it's just normal marketing to me and, at worst, I'm just neutral buying (but actually I'm rather happy with the changes, so I guess I'm joy buying?)
I feel the text was underlined because your response seemed to indicate you didn't read or comprehend what was written.
You may want to take a breath and read again. They were agreeing with you and saying that their wish would be great alongside yours.
I imagine some of this is because they planned to just update the rules until late August. Likely because of limitations in how the site was coded, so double entries are hard—they need to fix every link in every book as it wasn't future proofed for multiple variants of the same rules.
There wasn't time to do it all in the last month, so some changes will be rolled back as the staff gets it done. But coding takes time.
I am telling you that if you had actually read what I had typed, you would understand that I would llike for you to have your requested toggle. The coding that we both want goes hand in hand with one another and we would both benefit from it.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
Ah, I should have read down the thread further. Good afternoon to you.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
Are you saying you find joy in this style of marketing and it is what lead you to purchase the '24 PHB?
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I found joy in the product and the marketing has seemed pretty standard to this point. It has not sparked rage.
Same.
So the marketing inspired you to make the purchase?
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I was inspired to purchase the 2024 rules by the playtest material and the follow up videos going over the changes. I feel that most the changes to the rules have been for the better. DnDBeyond may be owned by WotC, but it is a product and I can be perfectly happy with one product and unhappy with another from the same company. In this particular case, I would love a toggle for this product to make sorting through other the products easier. If that doesn't happen, then this product has less value to me than it would otherwise.
My dad taught me to play with pen and paper character sheets, and I am perfectly content to use that method. I can and do live without the character builder and as the site becomes more cluttered I may or may not invest more into this product. I am not angry about it though.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
So the spamming of the 2014 rules with the new stuff had no influence on you purchasing the '24 PHB?
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Sorry but no.
Edit: I can see how it might be frustrating to those that are finishing up 2014 campaigns that DnDBeyond mixed the rules together. They really should have left the 2014 builder version intact for people playing 2014 games and used a copy as the base for the 2024 version. Kind of like how you can have Windows 10 and 11 versions that are available at the same time. However that doesn't have an impact on me personally. I just don't want to have 2 of everything to dig through when I do searches.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master