I've noticed some content from the 2024 stuff appearing on our character sheets. I was under the impression that this wasn't going to be a thing, that WotC had decided to not do that. This is very disappointing and also very annoying. Our group benefits greatly from being able to use D&D Beyond, as we're all neurodivergent, and adding this content in seemingly random places is really bad for us (and many others, I'm sure). We have no plans to buy any of the new content as we are quite happy with 5e and simply see no reason to spend a lot of money on something we really don't want or need. Forcing this content into our game is, in my opinion, underhanded and very dishonest. I'm hoping we'll not have to cancel our D&D Beyond memberships, but depending on how easy we can work around this issue we may have to and just go back to using paper character sheets again. Not a great alternative, but may be necessary. I feel WotC forgets that they need us, we do not need them to play this game.
Right. End of rant. So, here's my question: Is there a way to disable the 2024 content from our character sheets? I know some of it is labelled "legacy," which, while stupid, does work. But I'd much rather just not see the 2024 stuff and would like to not see it at all on our character sheets. Can this be disabled?
My other concern is WotC will quietly add more 2024 content to our character sheets over time. WotC: Just stop it. Seriously. Just. Stop.
I've noticed some content from the 2024 stuff appearing on our character sheets. I was under the impression that this wasn't going to be a thing, that WotC had decided to not do that. This is very disappointing and also very annoying. Our group benefits greatly from being able to use D&D Beyond, as we're all neurodivergent, and adding this content in seemingly random places is really bad for us (and many others, I'm sure). We have no plans to buy any of the new content as we are quite happy with 5e and simply see no reason to spend a lot of money on something we really don't want or need. Forcing this content into our game is, in my opinion, underhanded and very dishonest. I'm hoping we'll not have to cancel our D&D Beyond memberships, but depending on how easy we can work around this issue we may have to and just go back to using paper character sheets again. Not a great alternative, but may be necessary. I feel WotC forgets that they need us, we do not need them to play this game.
Right. End of rant. So, here's my question: Is there a way to disable the 2024 content from our character sheets? I know some of it is labelled "legacy," which, while stupid, does work. But I'd much rather just not see the 2024 stuff and would like to not see it at all on our character sheets. Can this be disabled?
My other concern is WotC will quietly add more 2024 content to our character sheets over time. WotC: Just stop it. Seriously. Just. Stop.
Thanks.
At the end of the day, DnDBeyond has to turn a profit or it ceases to exist. Encouraging potential customers to buy more books is the core of their business strategy.
Asking for a toggle to strip out the 2024 content is a small ask and it is low hanging fruit as the code already exists in the program.
It is a small ask technically. But, as long as it is in there and a player sees it, it is a marketing opportunity and a potential sale.
Of course,, I’m not a DnDBeyond representative. I’m just trying to point out that what is being asked for doesn’t seem to support their business interests. Further, if they don’t achieve their business interests, they cease to exist as a business.
Asking for a toggle to strip out the 2024 content is a small ask and it is low hanging fruit as the code already exists in the program.
It is a small ask technically. But, as long as it is in there and a player sees it, it is a marketing opportunity and a potential sale.
Of course,, I’m not a DnDBeyond representative. I’m just trying to point out that what is being asked for doesn’t seem to support their business interests. Further, if they don’t achieve their business interests, they cease to exist as a business.
On the other hand, if they annoy enough customers, they won't get enough sales to stay open either. There's a balancing act. I don't know the precise place where that lies, obviously, but I know some people are leaving over this issue. Some of them are "whales" - the kind that buy tons of books, even ones they don't have a realistic chance of using. For whatever reason, they just don't want 2024e, at least not just yet.
I'm also curious how effective that "ad placement" actually is - with piecemeal purchasing gone, it's never going to induce me to spend a single cent more than otherwise, because I'm not going to spend $30 on getting the odd spell. If I'm going to spend $30, it's because they've already sold me the idea of buying the book.
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I would also like to see the 2024 content as optional. Hells, at this point I would pay $30 to shut it off and not have it interfere with 5e core content.
Asking for a toggle to strip out the 2024 content is a small ask and it is low hanging fruit as the code already exists in the program.
It is a small ask technically. But, as long as it is in there and a player sees it, it is a marketing opportunity and a potential sale.
Of course,, I’m not a DnDBeyond representative. I’m just trying to point out that what is being asked for doesn’t seem to support their business interests. Further, if they don’t achieve their business interests, they cease to exist as a business.
On the other hand, if they annoy enough customers, they won't get enough sales to stay open either. There's a balancing act. I don't know the precise place where that lies, obviously, but I know some people are leaving over this issue. Some of them are "whales" - the kind that buy tons of books, even ones they don't have a realistic chance of using. For whatever reason, they just don't want 2024e, at least not just yet.
I'm also curious how effective that "ad placement" actually is - with piecemeal purchasing gone, it's never going to induce me to spend a single cent more than otherwise, because I'm not going to spend $30 on getting the odd spell. If I'm going to spend $30, it's because they've already sold me the idea of buying the book.
I suspect that piecemeal purchases are going to come back at some point in the next 18 months.
But I wasn’t in the room when the decision was made in the first place. I don’t know all the factors that led to it being made. I just see the money they are leaving on the table.
My GUESS is that they temporarily stopped it in the hopes that doing so would lead to more books being sold with 5.5e. They are hoping for a quick influx of cash to recoup the expenses involved in authoring and manufacturing 5.5e without too much lost to debt interest. But again, I don’t work for the company.
No 2024 is 2024 core content, 5e is now legacy content in 2024 rule set.
2024 content is showing up on our 5e character sheets. None of us have bought 5.5 and we don't want to see it as it can be confusing, especially in the middle of a game (this is in addition to what is labelled as "legacy", which I still think is stupid). I'm asking if there is a way to not see 5.5 content if a person hasn't bought that content and is using 5.0 rules.
No 2024 is 2024 core content, 5e is now legacy content in 2024 rule set.
2024 content is showing up on our 5e character sheets. None of us have bought 5.5 and we don't want to see it as it can be confusing, especially in the middle of a game (this is in addition to what is labelled as "legacy", which I still think is stupid). I'm asking if there is a way to not see 5.5 content if a person hasn't bought that content and is using 5.0 rules.
This is the very reason the players at my tables are asking to go to paper, or just find a different game all together. They were just getting comfortable with the game and now they are confused to the point that the game is no longer fun, when asked why they want to play another game than deal with the changes the resounding answer is they do not trust the game and want to go with a brand they can trust, as they play for enjoyment and fun and since the new rules are mixed in with what they learned it is no longer enough fun to continue. They would rather play canasta than D&D at this point.
Way to go wizbro! A simple toggle would save so many games!
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I am still maintaining a master tier subscription. which means they are still getting money from me. There are many things they can do to maintain me as a customer. Eventually space is going to become a thing for both maps and their VTT. They will likely have a subscription change to include those things and i am not averse to paying for extra storage space if not the VTT. So yes they are still going to be making money from me just not off books that i don't want or need. If anything they stand to make more money from players like me long term. Giving us a toggle for this is in their business interest.
I am still maintaining a master tier subscription. which means they are still getting money from me. There are many things they can do to maintain me as a customer. Eventually space is going to become a thing for both maps and their VTT. They will likely have a subscription change to include those things and i am not averse to paying for extra storage space if not the VTT. So yes they are still going to be making money from me just not off books that i don't want or need. If anything they stand to make more money from players like me long term. Giving us a toggle for this is in their business interest.
For my particular situation, a subscription is useless if the people I game with don't want to play D&D. They would literally rather pay for another game than play the game I have spent thousands on (thousands includes both DDB, and physical books, cards, and other D&D 1st party products. It is shocking that the single best tool to get players into D&D has turned into the single biggest thing chasing them from the game. I truly hope they will put the toggle in before my players drop D&D. I have told them I will not buy into another system that is on them and they ok with that and are researching the next game we are going to be playing as soon as we finish up this campaign, which will be done before the MM comes out.
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If buying the PHB 2024 (6e) was purchasable piecemeal, there are parts I might buy. As it is, I have absolutely no interest in the book. They stuff I might want from it I WILL Homebrew.
As for the free version of 5e 2024 (6), I wish for a Toggle to turn in OFF. It has annoyed several of my players to no end, and annoyed myself even more greatly. I have been against 5e 2025 (6e) since its inception.
I used Using Potions as a Bonus Action as Homebrew long ago. There are still no prices for magic items in the PHB 2024. I used to award Epic Boons in my campaigns as rewards when a Level was inappropriate, you can't do that now. Fortunately my Homebrews of the DMG Epic Boons still work.
Needless to say, I am growing more and more disgruntled with WotC (Hasbro) management. I no longer pre-order stuff from D&D Beyond until I have seen Reviews. Spelljammer taught me a hard lesson on that.
Of all the D&D 2024 books, the only one I will buy is the DMG for 2 reasons: 1) The World of Greyhawk source material if it actually appears in the book. 2) Magic items for there prices; again if that actually materializes in the DMG 2024 (6e).
In either case I will NOT pre-order until I have seen reviews, no more buying a Pig-in-the-poke.
I have used D&D Beyond since the very first. I insist all my players use it for my campaigns. Because I use it for my campaigns, I did not quit even during the worst of the OGL Fiasco. With 6e (5e 2024), the lack of a toggle to turn OFF 6e means I would be willing to quit D&D Beyond if anything out there was even 25% as good.
Just my 2 cents. If WotC deletes this post, which with their censorship I expect them to do, I will repost it here, and else where beyond their slimy grips.
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Watch your back, conserve your ammo, and NEVER cut a deal with a dragon!
Asking for a toggle to strip out the 2024 content is a small ask and it is low hanging fruit as the code already exists in the program.
It is a small ask technically. But, as long as it is in there and a player sees it, it is a marketing opportunity and a potential sale.
Of course,, I’m not a DnDBeyond representative. I’m just trying to point out that what is being asked for doesn’t seem to support their business interests. Further, if they don’t achieve their business interests, they cease to exist as a business.
On the other hand, if they annoy enough customers, they won't get enough sales to stay open either. There's a balancing act. I don't know the precise place where that lies, obviously, but I know some people are leaving over this issue. Some of them are "whales" - the kind that buy tons of books, even ones they don't have a realistic chance of using. For whatever reason, they just don't want 2024e, at least not just yet.
I'm also curious how effective that "ad placement" actually is - with piecemeal purchasing gone, it's never going to induce me to spend a single cent more than otherwise, because I'm not going to spend $30 on getting the odd spell. If I'm going to spend $30, it's because they've already sold me the idea of buying the book
.
I suspect that piecemeal purchases are going to come back at some point in the next 18 months.
But I wasn’t in the room when the decision was made in the first place. I don’t know all the factors that led to it being made. I just see the money they are leaving on the table.
My GUESS is that they temporarily stopped it in the hopes that doing so would lead to more books being sold with 5.5e. They are hoping for a quick influx of cash to recoup the expenses involved in authoring and manufacturing 5.5e without too much lost to debt interest. But again, I don’t work for the company.
Maybe. I hope so. I suspect not though - the big fiasco with people not getting their discounts leads me to suspect that they removed the entire system, rather that having it hidden. That they had to resort to manually giving discounts out rather than the system detecting and automatically deducting it tells me that they had just not included it in the "update" and couldn't use it, if it were there, they should have been able to just use that instead of manually doing it one by one. That it's probably not there suggests to me that they have no intent on returning it.
That's not to say that it will never return. Maybe they'll decide that people like me who would have spent a good $50 more than I have if they'd left piecemeal in all adds up and profit is profit. But I'm not hopeful.
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If buying the PHB 2024 (6e) was purchasable piecemeal, there are parts I might buy. As it is, I have absolutely no interest in the book. They stuff I might want from it I WILL Homebrew.
As for the free version of 5e 2024 (6), I wish for a Toggle to turn in OFF. It has annoyed several of my players to no end, and annoyed myself even more greatly. I have been against 5e 2025 (6e) since its inception.
I used Using Potions as a Bonus Action as Homebrew long ago. There are still no prices for magic items in the PHB 2024. I used to award Epic Boons in my campaigns as rewards when a Level was inappropriate, you can't do that now. Fortunately my Homebrews of the DMG Epic Boons still work.
Needless to say, I am growing more and more disgruntled with WotC (Hasbro) management. I no longer pre-order stuff from D&D Beyond until I have seen Reviews. Spelljammer taught me a hard lesson on that.
Of all the D&D 2024 books, the only one I will buy is the DMG for 2 reasons: 1) The World of Greyhawk source material if it actually appears in the book. 2) Magic items for there prices; again if that actually materializes in the DMG 2024 (6e).
In either case I will NOT pre-order until I have seen reviews, no more buying a Pig-in-the-poke.
I have used D&D Beyond since the very first. I insist all my players use it for my campaigns. Because I use it for my campaigns, I did not quit even during the worst of the OGL Fiasco. With 6e (5e 2024), the lack of a toggle to turn OFF 6e means I would be willing to quit D&D Beyond if anything out there was even 25% as good.
Just my 2 cents. If WotC deletes this post, which with their censorship I expect them to do, I will repost it here, and else where beyond their slimy grips.
This year's PHB is still 5E. You can say you don't like it without pretending it's something it isn't. Inaccuracies like that detract from your argument. Same with feats - manually assigning them still works. And I'm not clear why you seem upset that the 2024 update to 5E includes things that many groups homebrew like potions as bonus actions. A lot of what I'm hearing sounds like anger and fear of change about the updated 5E rules, not concrete examples of anything that's actually worse in updated 5E.
If buying the PHB 2024 (6e) was purchasable piecemeal, there are parts I might buy. As it is, I have absolutely no interest in the book. They stuff I might want from it I WILL Homebrew.
As for the free version of 5e 2024 (6), I wish for a Toggle to turn in OFF. It has annoyed several of my players to no end, and annoyed myself even more greatly. I have been against 5e 2025 (6e) since its inception.
I used Using Potions as a Bonus Action as Homebrew long ago. There are still no prices for magic items in the PHB 2024. I used to award Epic Boons in my campaigns as rewards when a Level was inappropriate, you can't do that now. Fortunately my Homebrews of the DMG Epic Boons still work.
Needless to say, I am growing more and more disgruntled with WotC (Hasbro) management. I no longer pre-order stuff from D&D Beyond until I have seen Reviews. Spelljammer taught me a hard lesson on that.
Of all the D&D 2024 books, the only one I will buy is the DMG for 2 reasons: 1) The World of Greyhawk source material if it actually appears in the book. 2) Magic items for there prices; again if that actually materializes in the DMG 2024 (6e).
In either case I will NOT pre-order until I have seen reviews, no more buying a Pig-in-the-poke.
I have used D&D Beyond since the very first. I insist all my players use it for my campaigns. Because I use it for my campaigns, I did not quit even during the worst of the OGL Fiasco. With 6e (5e 2024), the lack of a toggle to turn OFF 6e means I would be willing to quit D&D Beyond if anything out there was even 25% as good.
Just my 2 cents. If WotC deletes this post, which with their censorship I expect them to do, I will repost it here, and else where beyond their slimy grips.
This year's PHB is still 5E. You can say you don't like it without pretending it's something it isn't. Inaccuracies like that detract from your argument. Same with feats - manually assigning them still works. And I'm not clear why you seem upset that the 2024 update to 5E includes things that many groups homebrew like potions as bonus actions. A lot of what I'm hearing sounds like anger and fear of change about the updated 5E rules, not concrete examples of anything that's actually worse in updated 5E.
Many are in the middle of campaigns and do not want to update mid-campaign. It's not as if Wizards walk into our homes and deface our physical books to force us to do that so they should be accommodating of those players here who would rather not. Or would you rather they earn themselves the ire of enough subscribers that they lose record numbers and tank the site? You can pretend it's all about "fear of change" but that's just burying your head in the sand. As for whether or not the 2024 ruleset is the same edition: Fewer changes took place between 1st. and 2nd. Now Wizards can say it's not a new edition. But some of us don't let corporations do our thinking for us.
Gain something called Vex from 2024 whe he reached level6 ?
That's not in the 2024 version now is it?
So if that's the same to you. Then your are an idiot
What class where they? Only I've updated several of my 2014 characters as experiments and in play since the 2024 PHB dropped and none of them gave me anything I wasn't expecting
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I've noticed some content from the 2024 stuff appearing on our character sheets. I was under the impression that this wasn't going to be a thing, that WotC had decided to not do that. This is very disappointing and also very annoying. Our group benefits greatly from being able to use D&D Beyond, as we're all neurodivergent, and adding this content in seemingly random places is really bad for us (and many others, I'm sure). We have no plans to buy any of the new content as we are quite happy with 5e and simply see no reason to spend a lot of money on something we really don't want or need. Forcing this content into our game is, in my opinion, underhanded and very dishonest. I'm hoping we'll not have to cancel our D&D Beyond memberships, but depending on how easy we can work around this issue we may have to and just go back to using paper character sheets again. Not a great alternative, but may be necessary. I feel WotC forgets that they need us, we do not need them to play this game.
Right. End of rant. So, here's my question: Is there a way to disable the 2024 content from our character sheets? I know some of it is labelled "legacy," which, while stupid, does work. But I'd much rather just not see the 2024 stuff and would like to not see it at all on our character sheets. Can this be disabled?
My other concern is WotC will quietly add more 2024 content to our character sheets over time. WotC: Just stop it. Seriously. Just. Stop.
Thanks.
At the end of the day, DnDBeyond has to turn a profit or it ceases to exist. Encouraging potential customers to buy more books is the core of their business strategy.
Interesting. I didn't think it would be in your character builder unless you purchased it.
Oh I suppose it could be from the Free Rules 2024
Asking for a toggle to strip out the 2024 content is a small ask and it is low hanging fruit as the code already exists in the program.
It is a small ask technically. But, as long as it is in there and a player sees it, it is a marketing opportunity and a potential sale.
Of course,, I’m not a DnDBeyond representative. I’m just trying to point out that what is being asked for doesn’t seem to support their business interests. Further, if they don’t achieve their business interests, they cease to exist as a business.
On the other hand, if they annoy enough customers, they won't get enough sales to stay open either. There's a balancing act. I don't know the precise place where that lies, obviously, but I know some people are leaving over this issue. Some of them are "whales" - the kind that buy tons of books, even ones they don't have a realistic chance of using. For whatever reason, they just don't want 2024e, at least not just yet.
I'm also curious how effective that "ad placement" actually is - with piecemeal purchasing gone, it's never going to induce me to spend a single cent more than otherwise, because I'm not going to spend $30 on getting the odd spell. If I'm going to spend $30, it's because they've already sold me the idea of buying the book.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
I would also like to see the 2024 content as optional. Hells, at this point I would pay $30 to shut it off and not have it interfere with 5e core content.
2024 is 5E core content.
No 2024 is 2024 core content, 5e is now legacy content in 2024 rule set.
I suspect that piecemeal purchases are going to come back at some point in the next 18 months.
But I wasn’t in the room when the decision was made in the first place. I don’t know all the factors that led to it being made. I just see the money they are leaving on the table.
My GUESS is that they temporarily stopped it in the hopes that doing so would lead to more books being sold with 5.5e. They are hoping for a quick influx of cash to recoup the expenses involved in authoring and manufacturing 5.5e without too much lost to debt interest. But again, I don’t work for the company.
2024 content is showing up on our 5e character sheets. None of us have bought 5.5 and we don't want to see it as it can be confusing, especially in the middle of a game (this is in addition to what is labelled as "legacy", which I still think is stupid). I'm asking if there is a way to not see 5.5 content if a person hasn't bought that content and is using 5.0 rules.
This is the very reason the players at my tables are asking to go to paper, or just find a different game all together. They were just getting comfortable with the game and now they are confused to the point that the game is no longer fun, when asked why they want to play another game than deal with the changes the resounding answer is they do not trust the game and want to go with a brand they can trust, as they play for enjoyment and fun and since the new rules are mixed in with what they learned it is no longer enough fun to continue. They would rather play canasta than D&D at this point.
Way to go wizbro! A simple toggle would save so many games!
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I am still maintaining a master tier subscription. which means they are still getting money from me. There are many things they can do to maintain me as a customer. Eventually space is going to become a thing for both maps and their VTT. They will likely have a subscription change to include those things and i am not averse to paying for extra storage space if not the VTT. So yes they are still going to be making money from me just not off books that i don't want or need. If anything they stand to make more money from players like me long term. Giving us a toggle for this is in their business interest.
For my particular situation, a subscription is useless if the people I game with don't want to play D&D. They would literally rather pay for another game than play the game I have spent thousands on (thousands includes both DDB, and physical books, cards, and other D&D 1st party products. It is shocking that the single best tool to get players into D&D has turned into the single biggest thing chasing them from the game. I truly hope they will put the toggle in before my players drop D&D. I have told them I will not buy into another system that is on them and they ok with that and are researching the next game we are going to be playing as soon as we finish up this campaign, which will be done before the MM comes out.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
If buying the PHB 2024 (6e) was purchasable piecemeal, there are parts I might buy. As it is, I have absolutely no interest in the book. They stuff I might want from it I WILL Homebrew.
As for the free version of 5e 2024 (6), I wish for a Toggle to turn in OFF. It has annoyed several of my players to no end, and annoyed myself even more greatly. I have been against 5e 2025 (6e) since its inception.
I used Using Potions as a Bonus Action as Homebrew long ago. There are still no prices for magic items in the PHB 2024. I used to award Epic Boons in my campaigns as rewards when a Level was inappropriate, you can't do that now. Fortunately my Homebrews of the DMG Epic Boons still work.
Needless to say, I am growing more and more disgruntled with WotC (Hasbro) management. I no longer pre-order stuff from D&D Beyond until I have seen Reviews. Spelljammer taught me a hard lesson on that.
Of all the D&D 2024 books, the only one I will buy is the DMG for 2 reasons:
1) The World of Greyhawk source material if it actually appears in the book.
2) Magic items for there prices; again if that actually materializes in the DMG 2024 (6e).
In either case I will NOT pre-order until I have seen reviews, no more buying a Pig-in-the-poke.
I have used D&D Beyond since the very first. I insist all my players use it for my campaigns. Because I use it for my campaigns, I did not quit even during the worst of the OGL Fiasco. With 6e (5e 2024), the lack of a toggle to turn OFF 6e means I would be willing to quit D&D Beyond if anything out there was even 25% as good.
Just my 2 cents. If WotC deletes this post, which with their censorship I expect them to do, I will repost it here, and else where beyond their slimy grips.
Watch your back, conserve your ammo,
and NEVER cut a deal with a dragon!
Maybe. I hope so. I suspect not though - the big fiasco with people not getting their discounts leads me to suspect that they removed the entire system, rather that having it hidden. That they had to resort to manually giving discounts out rather than the system detecting and automatically deducting it tells me that they had just not included it in the "update" and couldn't use it, if it were there, they should have been able to just use that instead of manually doing it one by one. That it's probably not there suggests to me that they have no intent on returning it.
That's not to say that it will never return. Maybe they'll decide that people like me who would have spent a good $50 more than I have if they'd left piecemeal in all adds up and profit is profit. But I'm not hopeful.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
This year's PHB is still 5E. You can say you don't like it without pretending it's something it isn't. Inaccuracies like that detract from your argument. Same with feats - manually assigning them still works. And I'm not clear why you seem upset that the 2024 update to 5E includes things that many groups homebrew like potions as bonus actions. A lot of what I'm hearing sounds like anger and fear of change about the updated 5E rules, not concrete examples of anything that's actually worse in updated 5E.
Many are in the middle of campaigns and do not want to update mid-campaign. It's not as if Wizards walk into our homes and deface our physical books to force us to do that so they should be accommodating of those players here who would rather not. Or would you rather they earn themselves the ire of enough subscribers that they lose record numbers and tank the site? You can pretend it's all about "fear of change" but that's just burying your head in the sand. As for whether or not the 2024 ruleset is the same edition: Fewer changes took place between 1st. and 2nd. Now Wizards can say it's not a new edition. But some of us don't let corporations do our thinking for us.
What class where they? Only I've updated several of my 2014 characters as experiments and in play since the 2024 PHB dropped and none of them gave me anything I wasn't expecting
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