Only if the marketing triggers rage? As a person not consumed by rage in this way, it's just normal marketing to me and, at worst, I'm just neutral buying (but actually I'm rather happy with the changes, so I guess I'm joy buying?)
I would love to have a toggle that hides all legacy content. It could go next to the toggle that hides all 2024 content. Leave the toggles alone and you get to see all of the content. Seems simple enough to me.
You have to remember the context of this, and it all goes back to management.
1.The C-suite decided to wipe out a thousand people across Hasbro, including who knows how many programmers at wotc/d&d b.
2. The braintrust at wotc decides that selling books, as opposed to piecemeal stuff, would maximize profits.
3. The same braintrust then decided that obliterating all of the original content when it conflicted with new content was also a good idea, and announced that, what, less than 3 weeks before release of the new PHB?
4. When the customer base rebelled at #3, and started making moves for the exits, the leaders of wotc panicked and reversed the course. That of course was scant business days before the release of the new PHB.
5. How much do you want to bet that there are not enough coders, at least ones knowledgeable about the code handling this D&D b's database, to actually sort though the code and come up with a fix aka a toggle? Exactly how many projects have been announced in the past by d&D b/wotc, and died on the vine, and what might be the reasons for that? Then compare that to what might be a massive job of creating a toggle if the code/database was poorly designed in the first place.
I imagine some of this is because they planned to just update the rules until late August. Likely because of limitations in how the site was coded, so double entries are hard—they need to fix every link in every book as it wasn't future proofed for multiple variants of the same rules.
There wasn't time to do it all in the last month, so some changes will be rolled back as the staff gets it done. But coding takes time.
I would love to have a toggle that hides all legacy content. It could go next to the toggle that hides all 2024 content. Leave the toggles alone and you get to see all of the content. Seems simple enough to me.
Yet will we get that disable all 2024+ content toggle?
It does seem like a fair number of people are wanting that toggle right now more than they really want the new rules, so why not give the toggle while working on the site to prepare it and the community for the changes to come?
So you know how to underline text, so? Are you telling us a toggle is coming soon?
I am telling you that if you had actually read what I had typed, you would understand that I would llike for you to have your requested toggle. The coding that we both want goes hand in hand with one another and we would both benefit from it.
So you know how to underline text, so? Are you telling us a toggle is coming soon?
I feel the text was underlined because your response seemed to indicate you didn't read or comprehend what was written.
I read it perfectly clear, like you they would rather individual’s like myself just sit down and be quiet right?
If you, or anyone else for that matter don’t care for the conversation, why are ya’ll so hell bent on trying to convince people that what they want is too much to ask for?
And that ask is for a toggle that disables 2024 content, so 2014 can be used without needless waste of time separating the two.
And, Btw you still never answered my previous question in a previous post, did you not read or comprehend what was posted?
Ah, I should have read down the thread further. Good afternoon to you.
Only if the marketing triggers rage? As a person not consumed by rage in this way, it's just normal marketing to me and, at worst, I'm just neutral buying (but actually I'm rather happy with the changes, so I guess I'm joy buying?)
Are you saying you find joy in this style of marketing and it is what lead you to purchase the '24 PHB?
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I was inspired to purchase the 2024 rules by the playtest material and the follow up videos going over the changes. I feel that most the changes to the rules have been for the better. DnDBeyond may be owned by WotC, but it is a product and I can be perfectly happy with one product and unhappy with another from the same company. In this particular case, I would love a toggle for this product to make sorting through other the products easier. If that doesn't happen, then this product has less value to me than it would otherwise.
My dad taught me to play with pen and paper character sheets, and I am perfectly content to use that method. I can and do live without the character builder and as the site becomes more cluttered I may or may not invest more into this product. I am not angry about it though.
I was inspired to purchase the 2024 rules by the playtest material and the follow up videos going over the changes. I feel that most the changes to the rules have been for the better. DnDBeyond may be owned by WotC, but it is a product and I can be perfectly happy with one product and unhappy with another from the same company. In this particular case, I would love a toggle for this product to make sorting through other the products easier. If that doesn't happen, then this product has less value to me than it would otherwise.
My dad taught me to play with pen and paper character sheets, and I am perfectly content to use that method. I can and do live without the character builder and as the site becomes more cluttered I may or may not invest more into this product. I am not angry about it though.
So the spamming of the 2014 rules with the new stuff had no influence on you purchasing the '24 PHB?
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CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I was inspired to purchase the 2024 rules by the playtest material and the follow up videos going over the changes. I feel that most the changes to the rules have been for the better. DnDBeyond may be owned by WotC, but it is a product and I can be perfectly happy with one product and unhappy with another from the same company. In this particular case, I would love a toggle for this product to make sorting through other the products easier. If that doesn't happen, then this product has less value to me than it would otherwise.
My dad taught me to play with pen and paper character sheets, and I am perfectly content to use that method. I can and do live without the character builder and as the site becomes more cluttered I may or may not invest more into this product. I am not angry about it though.
So the spamming of the 2014 rules with the new stuff had no influence on you purchasing the '24 PHB?
Sorry but no.
Edit: I can see how it might be frustrating to those that are finishing up 2014 campaigns that DnDBeyond mixed the rules together. They really should have left the 2014 builder version intact for people playing 2014 games and used a copy as the base for the 2024 version. Kind of like how you can have Windows 10 and 11 versions that are available at the same time. However that doesn't have an impact on me personally. I just don't want to have 2 of everything to dig through when I do searches.
ya know, after 45 years and all the assorted edition was, my feelings on the whole thing can best be summed up by saying this:
The character builder should only work with 2024 content.
It is obvious they still want people to be able to use options from Tasha's and Xanathar's and other prior publications, and they want folks to be able to use their homebrew built off the old rules. Obvious because they are trying to figure out how to make that happen, and they did not, in fact, just shut down all the 2014 content.
the same argument for keeping 2014 around is the basic argument that says they should add every edition of the game into the website. Want to play 3.5 on DDB? Cool! Yay! Want to play 0e? Cool, yay. Want to play the completely dropped and kicked to the side Basic series? Sure, fine, go for it.
Notice how that isn't in the works, how no one is really calling for that? Where are the threats to boycott because you can't play 4e on DDB?
I don't mean in the past, I mean now.
If you don't think they should do that, should put in the effort to support old versions of D&D, then it seems to me that folks should feel the same way about the 2014 version. It is the Old Version of the game. It did its time, it served its role.
Just me. But I prefer my saltiness mixed with sweetness, i guess.
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ya know, after 45 years and all the assorted edition was, my feelings on the whole thing can best be summed up by saying this:
The character builder should only work with 2024 content.
It is obvious they still want people to be able to use options from Tasha's and Xanathar's and other prior publications, and they want folks to be able to use their homebrew built off the old rules. Obvious because they are trying to figure out how to make that happen, and they did not, in fact, just shut down all the 2014 content.
the same argument for keeping 2014 around is the basic argument that says they should add every edition of the game into the website. Want to play 3.5 on DDB? Cool! Yay! Want to play 0e? Cool, yay. Want to play the completely dropped and kicked to the side Basic series? Sure, fine, go for it.
Notice how that isn't in the works, how no one is really calling for that? Where are the threats to boycott because you can't play 4e on DDB?
I don't mean in the past, I mean now.
If you don't think they should do that, should put in the effort to support old versions of D&D, then it seems to me that folks should feel the same way about the 2014 version. It is the Old Version of the game. It did its time, it served its role.
Just me. But I prefer my saltiness mixed with sweetness, i guess.
I would 100% support doing it that way if this were a new edition and if the marketing for the 2024 core rulebooks hadn't hammered home that they work with 5E because they are 5E. Would some sliders and checkboxes to keep the two different PHB versions separated be nice? Sure, I guess. I'm not getting bent out of shape about it either way though.
ya know, after 45 years and all the assorted edition was, my feelings on the whole thing can best be summed up by saying this:
The character builder should only work with 2024 content.
It is obvious they still want people to be able to use options from Tasha's and Xanathar's and other prior publications, and they want folks to be able to use their homebrew built off the old rules. Obvious because they are trying to figure out how to make that happen, and they did not, in fact, just shut down all the 2014 content.
the same argument for keeping 2014 around is the basic argument that says they should add every edition of the game into the website. Want to play 3.5 on DDB? Cool! Yay! Want to play 0e? Cool, yay. Want to play the completely dropped and kicked to the side Basic series? Sure, fine, go for it.
Notice how that isn't in the works, how no one is really calling for that? Where are the threats to boycott because you can't play 4e on DDB?
I don't mean in the past, I mean now.
If you don't think they should do that, should put in the effort to support old versions of D&D, then it seems to me that folks should feel the same way about the 2014 version. It is the Old Version of the game. It did its time, it served its role.
Just me. But I prefer my saltiness mixed with sweetness, i guess.
Then there is no reason to buy in to the DDB platform if any rule changes will negate prior purchases. Your opinion on how the site should work is objectively worse than what wizbro has done that many are unhappy with and /or leaving the site over. This is gatekeeping plain and simple. You will play the game the way we say or don't use our toys, is a proven way to chase people off, I am glad people with these thoughts towards customers are not in charge of water power and gas.
I never said anything about negating prior purchases.
I certainly did not say anything about people only being able to play a particular version of the game.
People who purchased other older versions of the game, 0e or 1e or 2e or 2eR, or 3e, or 3.5e, or 4e , etc are not being allowed to use their material here.
Now, as a final bit, I never gave my opinion on how the site should work. So how you can make a statemen about my opinion without knowing it is somewhat troublesome.
I said my feelings about things are that the character builder should only work with 2024 material. I never even explained why.
The character builder is not the entire site, it isn't even the entire game. I said nothing about access to previously purchased materials other than that it would be reasonable to ask for inclusion of older rule sets in the site if someone is asking for a free function that one does not need to spend money on to use is going to include an older rule set.
So, questions:
Are you saying that not allowing older editions the same thing you are asking for is gatekeeping as well?
Is there are reason you opted to invent something I said in order to have a position to speak from?
Why aren't you hollering for DDB to include 1e, 2e, 3e, etc?
How is that gatekeeping if it doesn't affect access to the materials?
Are you suggesting that older rulesets should not be included in DDB?
Please do not lie about what I say. If you suspect that I mean something other than what I say, ask for clarification before making an assumption.
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Having the rules combined in the character generator is an annoyance to me, but not a major one.
Once I learned that there might be two different versions of a feat,, spell, whatever and that I need to be sure to select the right one, I had no big issue with it.
The only thing that crossed a line for me was discovering that DnDB’s position is that, even after I buy an item, they reserve the right to take it away from me without notification, justification, or compensation.
But, as is usually the case, there’s a simple solution 1.) spread the word that that is DnDB’s position and will stay their position until a court rules it a violation of contract law and 2.) let it be known that, as a result of this position, I will purchase no more digital content and encourage other players to take the same stance.
Beyond that, there’s no hard feelings.
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Well it is called rage marketing, so gotta have the rage or it isn't working.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Only if the marketing triggers rage? As a person not consumed by rage in this way, it's just normal marketing to me and, at worst, I'm just neutral buying (but actually I'm rather happy with the changes, so I guess I'm joy buying?)
I feel the text was underlined because your response seemed to indicate you didn't read or comprehend what was written.
You may want to take a breath and read again. They were agreeing with you and saying that their wish would be great alongside yours.
You have to remember the context of this, and it all goes back to management.
1.The C-suite decided to wipe out a thousand people across Hasbro, including who knows how many programmers at wotc/d&d b.
2. The braintrust at wotc decides that selling books, as opposed to piecemeal stuff, would maximize profits.
3. The same braintrust then decided that obliterating all of the original content when it conflicted with new content was also a good idea, and announced that, what, less than 3 weeks before release of the new PHB?
4. When the customer base rebelled at #3, and started making moves for the exits, the leaders of wotc panicked and reversed the course. That of course was scant business days before the release of the new PHB.
5. How much do you want to bet that there are not enough coders, at least ones knowledgeable about the code handling this D&D b's database, to actually sort though the code and come up with a fix aka a toggle? Exactly how many projects have been announced in the past by d&D b/wotc, and died on the vine, and what might be the reasons for that? Then compare that to what might be a massive job of creating a toggle if the code/database was poorly designed in the first place.
I imagine some of this is because they planned to just update the rules until late August. Likely because of limitations in how the site was coded, so double entries are hard—they need to fix every link in every book as it wasn't future proofed for multiple variants of the same rules.
There wasn't time to do it all in the last month, so some changes will be rolled back as the staff gets it done. But coding takes time.
I am telling you that if you had actually read what I had typed, you would understand that I would llike for you to have your requested toggle. The coding that we both want goes hand in hand with one another and we would both benefit from it.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
Ah, I should have read down the thread further. Good afternoon to you.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
Are you saying you find joy in this style of marketing and it is what lead you to purchase the '24 PHB?
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I found joy in the product and the marketing has seemed pretty standard to this point. It has not sparked rage.
Same.
So the marketing inspired you to make the purchase?
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
I was inspired to purchase the 2024 rules by the playtest material and the follow up videos going over the changes. I feel that most the changes to the rules have been for the better. DnDBeyond may be owned by WotC, but it is a product and I can be perfectly happy with one product and unhappy with another from the same company. In this particular case, I would love a toggle for this product to make sorting through other the products easier. If that doesn't happen, then this product has less value to me than it would otherwise.
My dad taught me to play with pen and paper character sheets, and I am perfectly content to use that method. I can and do live without the character builder and as the site becomes more cluttered I may or may not invest more into this product. I am not angry about it though.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
So the spamming of the 2014 rules with the new stuff had no influence on you purchasing the '24 PHB?
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
Sorry but no.
Edit: I can see how it might be frustrating to those that are finishing up 2014 campaigns that DnDBeyond mixed the rules together. They really should have left the 2014 builder version intact for people playing 2014 games and used a copy as the base for the 2024 version. Kind of like how you can have Windows 10 and 11 versions that are available at the same time. However that doesn't have an impact on me personally. I just don't want to have 2 of everything to dig through when I do searches.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
ya know, after 45 years and all the assorted edition was, my feelings on the whole thing can best be summed up by saying this:
The character builder should only work with 2024 content.
It is obvious they still want people to be able to use options from Tasha's and Xanathar's and other prior publications, and they want folks to be able to use their homebrew built off the old rules. Obvious because they are trying to figure out how to make that happen, and they did not, in fact, just shut down all the 2014 content.
the same argument for keeping 2014 around is the basic argument that says they should add every edition of the game into the website. Want to play 3.5 on DDB? Cool! Yay! Want to play 0e? Cool, yay. Want to play the completely dropped and kicked to the side Basic series? Sure, fine, go for it.
Notice how that isn't in the works, how no one is really calling for that? Where are the threats to boycott because you can't play 4e on DDB?
I don't mean in the past, I mean now.
If you don't think they should do that, should put in the effort to support old versions of D&D, then it seems to me that folks should feel the same way about the 2014 version. It is the Old Version of the game. It did its time, it served its role.
Just me. But I prefer my saltiness mixed with sweetness, i guess.
Only a DM since 1980 (3000+ Sessions) / PhD, MS, MA / Mixed, Bi, Trans, Woman / No longer welcome in the US, apparently
Wyrlde: Adventures in the Seven Cities
.-=] Lore Book | Patreon | Wyrlde YT [=-.
An original Setting for 5e, a whole solar system of adventure. Ongoing updates, exclusies, more.
Not Talking About It / Dubbed The Oracle in the Cult of Mythology Nerds
I would 100% support doing it that way if this were a new edition and if the marketing for the 2024 core rulebooks hadn't hammered home that they work with 5E because they are 5E. Would some sliders and checkboxes to keep the two different PHB versions separated be nice? Sure, I guess. I'm not getting bent out of shape about it either way though.
Then there is no reason to buy in to the DDB platform if any rule changes will negate prior purchases. Your opinion on how the site should work is objectively worse than what wizbro has done that many are unhappy with and /or leaving the site over. This is gatekeeping plain and simple. You will play the game the way we say or don't use our toys, is a proven way to chase people off, I am glad people with these thoughts towards customers are not in charge of water power and gas.
CENSORSHIP IS THE TOOL OF COWARDS and WANNA BE TYRANTS.
That a mighty large leap of yours.
So, questions:
Please do not lie about what I say. If you suspect that I mean something other than what I say, ask for clarification before making an assumption.
Only a DM since 1980 (3000+ Sessions) / PhD, MS, MA / Mixed, Bi, Trans, Woman / No longer welcome in the US, apparently
Wyrlde: Adventures in the Seven Cities
.-=] Lore Book | Patreon | Wyrlde YT [=-.
An original Setting for 5e, a whole solar system of adventure. Ongoing updates, exclusies, more.
Not Talking About It / Dubbed The Oracle in the Cult of Mythology Nerds
Having the rules combined in the character generator is an annoyance to me, but not a major one.
Once I learned that there might be two different versions of a feat,, spell, whatever and that I need to be sure to select the right one, I had no big issue with it.
The only thing that crossed a line for me was discovering that DnDB’s position is that, even after I buy an item, they reserve the right to take it away from me without notification, justification, or compensation.
But, as is usually the case, there’s a simple solution 1.) spread the word that that is DnDB’s position and will stay their position until a court rules it a violation of contract law and 2.) let it be known that, as a result of this position, I will purchase no more digital content and encourage other players to take the same stance.
Beyond that, there’s no hard feelings.