Does anyone know why WOTC do not publish more material for the rest of Toril?
Kara-Tur and Al-Qadim never did that well sales wise.
Kara-Tur was the single best selling product of 1985. It did extremely well.
For a fan you are missing a lot of contextual information.
Oriental Adventures was the name of the book, and it was a more general plug and play source book, not a specific campaign book. It can't really be considered a Forgotten Realms Kara-Tur book. Originally it was meant for Greyhawk, but they decided to create Kara-Tur for Forgotten Realms AFTER its release with the growing popularity of Forgotten Realms.
The idea people were buying that for Kara-Tur, and not just the Oriental Adventures expansion of classes and general culture rules just isn't true. When that came out (i was a player then) NO ONE was talking about Kara-Tur. All the excitement was over, Ninjas, Samurai, etc.
Also a bit of moving goalposts to limit it to the best of one year, rather than a comparison of overall sales for performance.
I never said nor talked about why they bought it. That wasn't the issue -- it was said that it hadn't sold well. It did.
The final third of the OA book set Kara-Tur as its own setting -- separate from Greyhawk. It was retconned into Greyhawk shortly after the release of 2e, in 89, and then moved to FR in 91. And in that period between, before the retcons, the modules were sold as Kara-Tur.
And yes, we all did get very excited about the assorted classes -- but they were all framed within the context of the Setting, which was discussed in every single entry. It is as much about the setting as anything else -- important because it had to explain the classes and how they functioned.
But my interest was always Kara-Tur. And it set the standard for how they designed all the later worlds.
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I personally think that, if we get an Eberron book w/a rework of Half-Elves in it(Which is confirmed), it should also include Gnolls and a few other species as playable, in addition to POSSIBLY buying a few Keith Baker Productions subclasses to use/update.
It's not going to happen because Hasbro is too cheap(& Keith is done with Eberron design), tho. But more species, items(magic & otherwise), classes & subclasses are a net good, & it's better to have more player-centric options than just art bloat & DM-only content bloat not realistically used enough to warrant their inclusion.
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Keith Baker is confirmed as a consultant on the new book.
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Does anyone know why WOTC do not publish more material for the rest of Toril?
Kara-Tur and Al-Qadim never did that well sales wise.
Kara-Tur was the single best selling product of 1985. It did extremely well.
For a fan you are missing a lot of contextual information.
Oriental Adventures was the name of the book, and it was a more general plug and play source book, not a specific campaign book. It can't really be considered a Forgotten Realms Kara-Tur book. Originally it was meant for Greyhawk, but they decided to create Kara-Tur for Forgotten Realms AFTER its release with the growing popularity of Forgotten Realms.
The idea people were buying that for Kara-Tur, and not just the Oriental Adventures expansion of classes and general culture rules just isn't true. When that came out (i was a player then) NO ONE was talking about Kara-Tur. All the excitement was over, Ninjas, Samurai, etc.
Also a bit of moving goalposts to limit it to the best of one year, rather than a comparison of overall sales for performance.
I never said nor talked about why they bought it. That wasn't the issue -- it was said that it hadn't sold well. It did.
And I never said ORIENTAL ADVENTURES was included as a Forgotten Realms SETTING Book that sold poorly. You ASSUMED that.
At its core, it is a core rule book and didn't fit what I was referring to with lack of sales.
I saw that Dragon Marks are going to be Feats in the Eberron book, but does anyone have any guesses as to what Feats to expect in the Forgotten Realms book? I am hoping for some more Origin Feats myself.
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I saw that Dragon Marks are going to be Feats in the Eberron book, but does anyone have any guesses as to what Feats to expect in the Forgotten Realms book? I am hoping for some more Origin Feats myself.
I’m hoping for more backgrounds (with new origin feats) to round out the rather limited number we have. I know it’s not a great book but the Sword Coast Adventurers Guide had twelve backgrounds and some, like the city watch or urban bounty hunter id really like to see return. As for feats there’s a few of the racial feats in Xanathas that could probably fit easily in to a Forgotten Realms book and could do with updating
I’m hoping for more backgrounds (with new origin feats) to round out the rather limited number we have. I know it’s not a great book but the Sword Coast Adventurers Guide had twelve backgrounds and some, like the city watch or urban bounty hunter id really like to see return. As for feats there’s a few of the racial feats in Xanathas that could probably fit easily in to a Forgotten Realms book and could do with updating
I can't stop thinking about that mystery book for October. I am hoping for something like a "Van Ritchen's Guide to the Undead" in the same vein as Fizban's and Bigby's. That would be a good place to put the Necromancer subclass JC had talked about that never made it into the PHB. Or maybe an update of Ravenloft the way they are updating Eberron and Forgotten Realms?
Also I like the idea that there might be a 5th Artificer Subclass in the Eberron book thanks to the preview art showing 4 easily identifiable artificers and 1 unknown.
im guessing its going to be an adventure campaign. We have an anthology set of adventures in the works but no actual campaign yet for 2024 edition
I can't stop thinking about that mystery book for October. I am hoping for something like a "Van Ritchen's Guide to the Undead" in the same vein as Fizban's and Bigby's. That would be a good place to put the Necromancer subclass JC had talked about that never made it into the PHB. Or maybe an update of Ravenloft the way they are updating Eberron and Forgotten Realms?
Also I like the idea that there might be a 5th Artificer Subclass in the Eberron book thanks to the preview art showing 4 easily identifiable artificers and 1 unknown.
im guessing its going to be an adventure campaign. We have an anthology set of adventures in the works but no actual campaign yet for 2024 edition
I was in a bit of a time crunch while posting this. Sorry that my post from 5 days ago had the wrong link.
"This year we have focused on providing, rather than one large adventure, many adventure options because you'll actually see there are more sort of discrete adventure options than we typically do in a year," said Jeremy Crawford, lead rules designer for Dungeons & Dragons. "So you're going to have not only the 10 adventures in Dragon Delves with three possible campaigns, you also have the adventure options in Eberron, you have the adventure options in the Starter Set, and you have a bunch of adventure options in the Forgotten Realms Adventure Guide. So in many ways, we are flooding you with adventure options."
I can't stop thinking about that mystery book for October. I am hoping for something like a "Van Ritchen's Guide to the Undead" in the same vein as Fizban's and Bigby's. That would be a good place to put the Necromancer subclass JC had talked about that never made it into the PHB. Or maybe an update of Ravenloft the way they are updating Eberron and Forgotten Realms?
Also I like the idea that there might be a 5th Artificer Subclass in the Eberron book thanks to the preview art showing 4 easily identifiable artificers and 1 unknown.
im guessing its going to be an adventure campaign. We have an anthology set of adventures in the works but no actual campaign yet for 2024 edition
Something to note is that the Dragon Books actually lay out five Campaigns by assembling the smaller adventures together, and there are I think it was 3 in the FR sourcebook, done the same way.
So we do have campaigns coming out this year -- just not in the "one single book for one long campaign" format.
And this isn't the first time they have done that -- the Book of Many Things and Journeys both enable that same set up.
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I can't stop thinking about that mystery book for October. I am hoping for something like a "Van Ritchen's Guide to the Undead" in the same vein as Fizban's and Bigby's. That would be a good place to put the Necromancer subclass JC had talked about that never made it into the PHB. Or maybe an update of Ravenloft the way they are updating Eberron and Forgotten Realms?
Also I like the idea that there might be a 5th Artificer Subclass in the Eberron book thanks to the preview art showing 4 easily identifiable artificers and 1 unknown.
im guessing its going to be an adventure campaign. We have an anthology set of adventures in the works but no actual campaign yet for 2024 edition
I was in a bit of a time crunch while posting this. Sorry that my post from 5 days ago had the wrong link.
"This year we have focused on providing, rather than one large adventure, many adventure options because you'll actually see there are more sort of discrete adventure options than we typically do in a year," said Jeremy Crawford, lead rules designer for Dungeons & Dragons. "So you're going to have not only the 10 adventures in Dragon Delves with three possible campaigns, you also have the adventure options in Eberron, you have the adventure options in the Starter Set, and you have a bunch of adventure options in the Forgotten Realms Adventure Guide. So in many ways, we are flooding you with adventure options."
Who knows we might get a spooky book like that with the necromancer in it XD
I never said nor talked about why they bought it. That wasn't the issue -- it was said that it hadn't sold well. It did.
The final third of the OA book set Kara-Tur as its own setting -- separate from Greyhawk. It was retconned into Greyhawk shortly after the release of 2e, in 89, and then moved to FR in 91. And in that period between, before the retcons, the modules were sold as Kara-Tur.
And yes, we all did get very excited about the assorted classes -- but they were all framed within the context of the Setting, which was discussed in every single entry. It is as much about the setting as anything else -- important because it had to explain the classes and how they functioned.
But my interest was always Kara-Tur. And it set the standard for how they designed all the later worlds.
Only a DM since 1980 (3000+ Sessions) / PhD, MS, MA / Mixed, Bi, Trans, Woman / No longer welcome in the US, apparently
Wyrlde: Adventures in the Seven Cities
.-=] Lore Book | Patreon | Wyrlde YT [=-.
An original Setting for 5e, a whole solar system of adventure. Ongoing updates, exclusies, more.
Not Talking About It / Dubbed The Oracle in the Cult of Mythology Nerds
I personally think that, if we get an Eberron book w/a rework of Half-Elves in it(Which is confirmed), it should also include Gnolls and a few other species as playable, in addition to POSSIBLY buying a few Keith Baker Productions subclasses to use/update.
It's not going to happen because Hasbro is too cheap(& Keith is done with Eberron design), tho. But more species, items(magic & otherwise), classes & subclasses are a net good, & it's better to have more player-centric options than just art bloat & DM-only content bloat not realistically used enough to warrant their inclusion.
DM, player & homebrewer(Current homebrew project is an unofficial conversion of SBURB/SGRUB from Homestuck into DND 5e)
Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
Keith Baker is confirmed as a consultant on the new book.
Only a DM since 1980 (3000+ Sessions) / PhD, MS, MA / Mixed, Bi, Trans, Woman / No longer welcome in the US, apparently
Wyrlde: Adventures in the Seven Cities
.-=] Lore Book | Patreon | Wyrlde YT [=-.
An original Setting for 5e, a whole solar system of adventure. Ongoing updates, exclusies, more.
Not Talking About It / Dubbed The Oracle in the Cult of Mythology Nerds
That last comment was marked as spam, so I'll properly address this.
He's a consultant, not a designer.
He, via multiple social media channels & DMSGuild, has said he's not up for straight-up designing anymore.
So he's likely just being asked a few questions and/or things are being run by him for yes/no answers.
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Once made Maxwell's Silver Hammer come down upon Strahd's head to make sure he was dead.
Always study & sharpen philosophical razors. They save a lot of trouble.
And I never said ORIENTAL ADVENTURES was included as a Forgotten Realms SETTING Book that sold poorly. You ASSUMED that.
At its core, it is a core rule book and didn't fit what I was referring to with lack of sales.
I saw that Dragon Marks are going to be Feats in the Eberron book, but does anyone have any guesses as to what Feats to expect in the Forgotten Realms book? I am hoping for some more Origin Feats myself.
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I’m hoping for more backgrounds (with new origin feats) to round out the rather limited number we have. I know it’s not a great book but the Sword Coast Adventurers Guide had twelve backgrounds and some, like the city watch or urban bounty hunter id really like to see return. As for feats there’s a few of the racial feats in Xanathas that could probably fit easily in to a Forgotten Realms book and could do with updating
Hopefully we will see them in another UA soon
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im guessing its going to be an adventure campaign. We have an anthology set of adventures in the works but no actual campaign yet for 2024 edition
https://www.enworld.org/threads/why-dungeons-dragons-isnt-putting-out-a-campaign-book-in-2025.710226/
I was in a bit of a time crunch while posting this. Sorry that my post from 5 days ago had the wrong link.
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Something to note is that the Dragon Books actually lay out five Campaigns by assembling the smaller adventures together, and there are I think it was 3 in the FR sourcebook, done the same way.
So we do have campaigns coming out this year -- just not in the "one single book for one long campaign" format.
And this isn't the first time they have done that -- the Book of Many Things and Journeys both enable that same set up.
Only a DM since 1980 (3000+ Sessions) / PhD, MS, MA / Mixed, Bi, Trans, Woman / No longer welcome in the US, apparently
Wyrlde: Adventures in the Seven Cities
.-=] Lore Book | Patreon | Wyrlde YT [=-.
An original Setting for 5e, a whole solar system of adventure. Ongoing updates, exclusies, more.
Not Talking About It / Dubbed The Oracle in the Cult of Mythology Nerds
Who knows we might get a spooky book like that with the necromancer in it XD
I thought that was a magnifying glass in their hand not a pocket watch, if I am right I would believe that is an inquisitve type artificer