I don’t think expecting basic communication is the same as asking them to “fill the air for its own sake.” If a company sets a timeline, it’s reasonable for people to ask for clarity when that timeline starts approaching.
It's reasonable to ask the company for clarity. They didn't do that-- they asked individual company representatives. Given that those people (a) probably don't know, and (b) aren't authorized to give an answer even if they do know, they really should not have expected a useful response, or been surprised when they didn't get one.
Wasn’t something mentioned in another thread about the timeline for when the SRD 5.2 would be released ether around the end of March or April? Thought I had noticed it when the 2024-25 Monster Manual had been out for a week or two officially?
Anyway, if a bit more of a continuation of status updates on what exactly is happening with the SRD 5.2 and what might be coming out and starting the process of actually making statements again might start getting this change of rules bit going better for some reason.
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" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
Unlike others I personally go by the old phrase "no news is good news"
Also believe that Wotc might feel like they are "doomed if they do, doomed if they don't" when it comes to communications with the public, a lot of things get twist or miss interpreted due to focusing on a single word or phrase written, otherwise there is speculation that something sinister is happening behind closed doors.
“Unless no news means bad news” when suddenly everyone is like,” did you hear?”, which is kindling for rumor mill conspiracy, and is easily dismissed when actual continued updates about elements of change are being discussed and implemented.
And while don’t care about wanting to be informed about such trivial matters, for some it’s better to know what coming down the pipeline than to look downhole and get slapped in the face.
The quieter it is, the more ominous the feeling becomes and the more cautious some become.
I just wonder how they intend to handle the IP declarations and copyright and trademark issues that still require a declaration for cc-by, I understood from reading the cc-by documentation that at any point a 3party can send requests for copyright clarification and if the company is keeping a significant portion of Srd5.2 the same as SRD5.1, there could be a “holding” period where clarification is required to understand if the new cc-by is a “revision” or “addendium of existence” by which the new entry will replace the existing version and care would be needed to define which version is legal for use in which ever version of the rules is applicable. ( and just from the free rules version, I can personally question how will the missing elements of monster creation be handled considering it’s a chunk missing from the new rules released?).
With changes to certain classes that place subclass selection on the same level 3 requirements for all classes, and tweaks made to all main class features, the difference between the 5.1 and 5.2 will the difference between the two be fully documented?
I’m sure the total communication blackout can be adjusted to start letting the community know where things stand. Like I mentioned earlier, time is getting short and people will want answers sooner or later, and when later is the way chosen, it’s not too pretty to be around.
But then again what is there to stop them from dropping it at the last second and watch how the community rips itself apart?
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" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
It is also worth noting the no ETA came from someone who reached out to wotc about needing the info for a project, and the everything is on track came from a DDB employee.
DDB employees and reps have had to roll back their statements in the past due to giving us the information they had or got from places they had access too internally yet it wasn't correct. It could easily be yet another case of this hand doesn't know what that hand is doing.
I want to be clear I am not saying nor do I believe anyone is lying, just that history has taught us wotc is fragmented and internal coms aren't much better than public comms.
Every DDB employee is a wotc employee, but not every wotc employee is a DDB employee.
It is also worth noting the no ETA came from someone who reached out to wotc about needing the info for a project, and the everything is on track came from a DDB employee.
If you ask a rep for an ETA, and the company hasn't publicly released an ETA, you will get some variant on "I don't have one", "no comment", or "see previous statements". We have now gotten two of those.
It is also worth noting the no ETA came from someone who reached out to wotc about needing the info for a project, and the everything is on track came from a DDB employee.
DDB employees and reps have had to roll back their statements in the past due to giving us the information they had or got from places they had access too internally yet it wasn't correct. It could easily be yet another case of this hand doesn't know what that hand is doing.
I want to be clear I am not saying nor do I believe anyone is lying, just that history has taught us wotc is fragmented and internal coms aren't much better than public comms.
Every DDB employee is a wotc employee, but not every wotc employee is a DDB employee.
This statement confuses me as a human cuz I thought all DDB employees were Wizards employees post-acquisition.
But I will correct you on one thing: I am a WOTC employee. I didn't get here via acquisition :)
(I think that's also why my markers are purple/lavender, when previously DDB employee names were red.)
weeks means jsut that. weeks, it doesnt become months until at least 8 weeks have passed.
The amount of times I've seen this in relation to "when is weeks still considered weeks" is funny to me, mostly because it's an unspoken rule that I also adhere to. It's like when a baby's age stops being referred to in months.
I fully sympathize with much of the sentiment expressed here, but I'm not sure how it would have been taken if all that had been said was "yup, we're still doing it," "yup, we're still on track", "yup, that's still the plan", because that's all that could have been said. It's what I've said to many people who've asked me about it over the last couple of weeks.
That being said, though, we are still on track to release within 'weeks' of the MM release. There is much work being done to make sure SRD 5.2 is just right for the community, and you will get to see it soon.
Thanks for the update! Glad to hear work is proceeding as planned.
and they're locking other forum threads because this thread exists to keep things quiet,
I'm not sure that consolidating discussing into a single thread to maximise activity in one place, pute everyone interested in the matter in touch with each other, and keep the discussion high up the forum is as effective a silencing tactic as you might think?
As a general rule consolidating discussions into a single location is better for that discussion, than having it dispersed in multiple places
That being said, though, we are still on track to release within 'weeks' of the MM release. There is much work being done to make sure SRD 5.2 is just right for the community, and you will get to see it soon.
Thanks for the update. This is all the update I needed, I was just worried it wasn't happening still.
What's the best place to look while anticipating the SRD release? Just the blog?
That being said, though, we are still on track to release within 'weeks' of the MM release. There is much work being done to make sure SRD 5.2 is just right for the community, and you will get to see it soon.
Thanks for the update. This is all the update I needed, I was just worried it wasn't happening still.
What's the best place to look while anticipating the SRD release? Just the blog?
It'll almost certainly be on the front page, but if not there the Community Update.
That being said, though, we are still on track to release within 'weeks' of the MM release. There is much work being done to make sure SRD 5.2 is just right for the community, and you will get to see it soon.
Thanks for the update. This is all the update I needed, I was just worried it wasn't happening still.
What's the best place to look while anticipating the SRD release? Just the blog?
It'll almost certainly be on the front page, but if not there the Community Update.
No Community Update for nearly a year. Pardon Our Dust became "it's just dusty"
I think the takeaway from this thread is that WotC/Hasbro doesn't really have an effective communications plan in reference to two major stakeholder groups: Dedicated Players (those who keep up with all of the latest rules and errata to ensure their game is as up to date as possible), and 3PP Creators.
Wizards is really, really good at the "Influencer Game", which brings a lot of players into the fold. Cooperation and and association with the major influencers in the hobby (Critical Role, Dimension 20, Stranger Things, Steven Colbert, Matthew Lillard, Joe Manganiello, etc.) has brought the game, and hobby in general, into the mainstream. People are talking about D&D in positive ways, and the hobby is in some ways even glamorized.
Wizards is really, really bad at MAINTAINING those relationships with Gamers. It seems like they go out of their way to make poor decisions, and then fumble, stumble, and bumble their way through communicating with their own market. I feel sorry for people like LaTiaJacquise who have to be the public facing personality for such an operation. They have to put the best spin on corporate nonsense they can, and sometimes end up looking like the RPG community version of "Baghdad Bob" - "There are no delays here, nothing to see at all, the SRD update is going swimmingly, and there are no no American tanks in Baghdad."
I, as a 3PP Creator myself, would be MORE THAN HAPPY to assist Wizards with their outreach to that part of the Community... For a very modest fee, of course.
Even a list of what will be in the SRD 5.2 would be helpful. I.e. a list of classes, species, magic items and monsters. If we knew that we could make adventures utilizing those creatures or variations there-of. Without knowing, we are treading water because me may waste weeks of work because a creature we thought would be in the SRD is not and the encounter (and all down stream consequences) be rewritten.
I'm not a professional, but do like to pass out my adventures I run at conventions. It has put some unnecessary strain on my life, and will continue to do so until it is released and I can write with a clear conscious.
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It's reasonable to ask the company for clarity. They didn't do that-- they asked individual company representatives. Given that those people (a) probably don't know, and (b) aren't authorized to give an answer even if they do know, they really should not have expected a useful response, or been surprised when they didn't get one.
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Wasn’t something mentioned in another thread about the timeline for when the SRD 5.2 would be released ether around the end of March or April?
Thought I had noticed it when the 2024-25 Monster Manual had been out for a week or two officially?
Anyway, if a bit more of a continuation of status updates on what exactly is happening with the SRD 5.2 and what might be coming out and starting the process of actually making statements again might start getting this change of rules bit going better for some reason.
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
Unlike others I personally go by the old phrase "no news is good news"
Also believe that Wotc might feel like they are "doomed if they do, doomed if they don't" when it comes to communications with the public, a lot of things get twist or miss interpreted due to focusing on a single word or phrase written, otherwise there is speculation that something sinister is happening behind closed doors.
“Unless no news means bad news” when suddenly everyone is like,” did you hear?”, which is kindling for rumor mill conspiracy, and is easily dismissed when actual continued updates about elements of change are being discussed and implemented.
And while don’t care about wanting to be informed about such trivial matters, for some it’s better to know what coming down the pipeline than to look downhole and get slapped in the face.
The quieter it is, the more ominous the feeling becomes and the more cautious some become.
I just wonder how they intend to handle the IP declarations and copyright and trademark issues that still require a declaration for cc-by, I understood from reading the cc-by documentation that at any point a 3party can send requests for copyright clarification and if the company is keeping a significant portion of Srd5.2 the same as SRD5.1, there could be a “holding” period where clarification is required to understand if the new cc-by is a “revision” or “addendium of existence” by which the new entry will replace the existing version and care would be needed to define which version is legal for use in which ever version of the rules is applicable. ( and just from the free rules version, I can personally question how will the missing elements of monster creation be handled considering it’s a chunk missing from the new rules released?).
With changes to certain classes that place subclass selection on the same level 3 requirements for all classes, and tweaks made to all main class features, the difference between the 5.1 and 5.2 will the difference between the two be fully documented?
I’m sure the total communication blackout can be adjusted to start letting the community know where things stand.
Like I mentioned earlier, time is getting short and people will want answers sooner or later, and when later is the way chosen, it’s not too pretty to be around.
But then again what is there to stop them from dropping it at the last second and watch how the community rips itself apart?
" Darkvision doesn’t work in Magical darkness, and if something is magical, Never Trust it acts the same way as a non-magical version of that same thing!”- Discotech Mage over a cup of joe.
It is also worth noting the no ETA came from someone who reached out to wotc about needing the info for a project, and the everything is on track came from a DDB employee.
DDB employees and reps have had to roll back their statements in the past due to giving us the information they had or got from places they had access too internally yet it wasn't correct. It could easily be yet another case of this hand doesn't know what that hand is doing.
I want to be clear I am not saying nor do I believe anyone is lying, just that history has taught us wotc is fragmented and internal coms aren't much better than public comms.
Every DDB employee is a wotc employee, but not every wotc employee is a DDB employee.
If you ask a rep for an ETA, and the company hasn't publicly released an ETA, you will get some variant on "I don't have one", "no comment", or "see previous statements". We have now gotten two of those.
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D&D StaffThis statement confuses me as a human cuz I thought all DDB employees were Wizards employees post-acquisition.
But I will correct you on one thing: I am a WOTC employee. I didn't get here via acquisition :)
(I think that's also why my markers are purple/lavender, when previously DDB employee names were red.)
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I think you should reread my post you are saying exactly what I stated, and also proving my point in a small way.
I wrote:
All DDB employees are wotc employees
But
Not all wotc employees are DDB employees.
How do you get me claiming you are not a wotc employee or a not human from that?
There is nothing to correct as the statements are true.
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D&D StaffI was referring to the part where you said "the 'everything is on track' came from a DDB employee".
The rest of it, I seem to have read and interpreted in reverse. My bad! This is why I shouldn't forum at night.
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Really, no one should forum at night if they've been active all day.
Naps are key for long days.
Thanks for the update! Glad to hear work is proceeding as planned.
Honestly, my thread got closed out after someone linked here and I don't feel silenced.
I'm not sure that consolidating discussing into a single thread to maximise activity in one place, pute everyone interested in the matter in touch with each other, and keep the discussion high up the forum is as effective a silencing tactic as you might think?
As a general rule consolidating discussions into a single location is better for that discussion, than having it dispersed in multiple places
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Thanks for the update. This is all the update I needed, I was just worried it wasn't happening still.
What's the best place to look while anticipating the SRD release? Just the blog?
It'll almost certainly be on the front page, but if not there the Community Update.
No Community Update for nearly a year.
Pardon Our Dust became "it's just dusty"
Read my D&D thoughts at FullMoonStorytelling.com
I think the takeaway from this thread is that WotC/Hasbro doesn't really have an effective communications plan in reference to two major stakeholder groups: Dedicated Players (those who keep up with all of the latest rules and errata to ensure their game is as up to date as possible), and 3PP Creators.
Wizards is really, really good at the "Influencer Game", which brings a lot of players into the fold. Cooperation and and association with the major influencers in the hobby (Critical Role, Dimension 20, Stranger Things, Steven Colbert, Matthew Lillard, Joe Manganiello, etc.) has brought the game, and hobby in general, into the mainstream. People are talking about D&D in positive ways, and the hobby is in some ways even glamorized.
Wizards is really, really bad at MAINTAINING those relationships with Gamers. It seems like they go out of their way to make poor decisions, and then fumble, stumble, and bumble their way through communicating with their own market. I feel sorry for people like LaTiaJacquise who have to be the public facing personality for such an operation. They have to put the best spin on corporate nonsense they can, and sometimes end up looking like the RPG community version of "Baghdad Bob" - "There are no delays here, nothing to see at all, the SRD update is going swimmingly, and there are no no American tanks in Baghdad."
I, as a 3PP Creator myself, would be MORE THAN HAPPY to assist Wizards with their outreach to that part of the Community... For a very modest fee, of course.
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Even a list of what will be in the SRD 5.2 would be helpful. I.e. a list of classes, species, magic items and monsters. If we knew that we could make adventures utilizing those creatures or variations there-of. Without knowing, we are treading water because me may waste weeks of work because a creature we thought would be in the SRD is not and the encounter (and all down stream consequences) be rewritten.
I'm not a professional, but do like to pass out my adventures I run at conventions. It has put some unnecessary strain on my life, and will continue to do so until it is released and I can write with a clear conscious.