I’ve never made a forum post but have to say this is GD ridiculous! Just add a toggle for 2024 content like you already have in place for other content… infuriating.
How do we access the 2014 rules for those in the middle of a campaign?
I currently have no interest in the new errata edition.
At least in Archives of Nethys you can toggle between legacy and remaster for Pathfinder 2e... I probably should abandon this platform for that better system...
The written Rules are still available in your 2014 PHB, DMG, MM and the Basic rules. These don't go away. Rules in the Character sheet and in highlighted links will direct to the new rules.
And now I know why so many people are cancelling their DDB subscriptions. Most people using DDB won't switch to the new version right away, if at all. Their solution is for you to make a homebrew version of the entirety of the 2014 spell list and manually add them to all your characters for the remainder of a campaign, or switch mid-game to the new variant of the system. I'm hopeful a more sensible option appears, cause this is just a bad decision.
Elsewhere in a more tech focused place I have suggested that they enable one or more people to do the homebrew and publish. The similarity test is awkward to get around or I would just do it myself (not impossible, just awkward)
For those with a few tech skills its not that hard. I would just do all the PHB spells and all the DMG magic items - no reason not to when you are scripting the process and have filters by source you can use.
I know the mods have seen and reacted to my suggestion - I don't know the internal decision making processes at Beyond so I don't know if the idea will fly.
I’m disappointed and displeased with this new update and feel it’s handed very poorly. I like to keep my old 2014 character sheets as is and use and preserve them as is. A simple toggle between Wich version I want to use would have been smarter. Do that instead. You literally can do that. You guys make the site. Copying everything home brew is to tedious to do for something that’s fine as is. Not saying the 2024 version of rules are bad but I don’t see why we can’t have both and just toggle. unfortunately A lot of folks I’ve talked to about this have indicated that they will probably leave the site for other places due to being forced to switch. and that’s just unfortunate for this community. It doesn't make sense to force the change when a lot of longtime campaigns are running on 2014 rules and it be very disruptive to change a 2014 character sheet spells and armor class and such mechanics to the newer 2024 version. I urge dnd beyond to reconsider how they approach this update. As the character sheet is what brings most people to this site (myself included) I’ve thus far really loved this site despite all its past hiccups, but this is pretty disruptive to a lot of us long time users. Please listen to the folks who use this site and consider that has been said. Thank you for your time and understanding
As a player and GM who uses Dndbeyond for every campaign, I’m in credibly disappointed in these changes. I am not planning on switching to the 2024 materials and these changes TOTALLY make this game much more difficult to continue on this platform. Goodbye subscription.
the “fix” of being forced to add homebrew versions of all the items and weapons currently being used by me and my players will cause such chaos and waste dozens of hours. This is a poorly planned, let’s only make the shareholders happy type of move that will have people RUNNING from using this platform moving forward. WOTC blew it
How do we access the 2014 rules for those in the middle of a campaign?
I currently have no interest in the new errata edition.
At least in Archives of Nethys you can toggle between legacy and remaster for Pathfinder 2e... I probably should abandon this platform for that better system...
The written Rules are still available in your 2014 PHB, DMG, MM and the Basic rules. These don't go away. Rules in the Character sheet and in highlighted links will direct to the new rules.
How do we access the 2014 rules for those in the middle of a campaign?
I currently have no interest in the new errata edition.
At least in Archives of Nethys you can toggle between legacy and remaster for Pathfinder 2e... I probably should abandon this platform for that better system...
The written Rules are still available in your 2014 PHB, DMG, MM and the Basic rules. These don't go away. Rules in the Character sheet and in highlighted links will direct to the new rules.
Yeh but dosnt that involve clicking off to another page? And armor class and things change? Sounds disruptive to the flow of the game. Might as well go back to pen and paper
How do we access the 2014 rules for those in the middle of a campaign?
I currently have no interest in the new errata edition.
At least in Archives of Nethys you can toggle between legacy and remaster for Pathfinder 2e... I probably should abandon this platform for that better system...
The written Rules are still available in your 2014 PHB, DMG, MM and the Basic rules. These don't go away. Rules in the Character sheet and in highlighted links will direct to the new rules.
How do we access the 2014 rules for those in the middle of a campaign?
I currently have no interest in the new errata edition.
At least in Archives of Nethys you can toggle between legacy and remaster for Pathfinder 2e... I probably should abandon this platform for that better system...
The written Rules are still available in your 2014 PHB, DMG, MM and the Basic rules. These don't go away. Rules in the Character sheet and in highlighted links will direct to the new rules.
Yeh but dosnt that involve clicking off to another page? And armor class and things change? Sounds disruptive to the flow of the game. Might as well go back to pen and paper
Most thing, will not change, or not in a way that most people will notice. AC, Save DC, proficiency, all that is still the same. certain spells and conditions are different, some more some less
Joining all the voices here to add that if this goes through I'll be cancelling my subscription. My table plays 2014 rules, and will continue to play 2014 rules. So if we can no longer access all of the 2014 rules easily on your platform, what am I even doing here?
The only reason I bought any of DnD books here instead of getting a physical copy was that I wanted to be able to use the purchased content (all of it!) with the dndbeyond character sheet. Replacing the old spells with the new versions hampers the use I and many people get out of your site immensely.
You're already keeping a large amount of legacy content around. The old spells and items are already in your system. Just add the new ones and give us an option to toggle 2024 on or off.
Query: what happens to 5e spells that were bought using the old a la carte purchasing option? Will we still have access to those? Or, I'm assuming, they will be lost too? In which case, why should I buy anything else on this platform if it will be taken away on a whim? I am guessing that a refund won't be offered...
Forcing us to learn and adapt to the new rules when many of us have years long campaigns under the 2014 ruleset is, frankly, ridiculous. You're forcing us to relearn spells, feats, proficiencies and much more. It should've been left optional. It's as simple as adding a Legacy toggle. Now we need to add our old spells as homebrew?!
I'm getting that awful chill up my spine when companies just disappear when the noise gets loud. Rug pull incoming? Come on, read the concerns and get a response addressing them, quickly. The community is swelling with too much anger right now. We're coming up with better solutions than WOTC and DDB right now. Not a good look.
I'm getting that awful chill up my spine when companies just disappear when the noise gets loud. Rug pull incoming? Come on, read the concerns and get a response addressing them, quickly. The community is swelling with too much anger right now. We're coming up with better solutions than WOTC and DDB right now. Not a good look.
to be fair thats not hard lol look at how they handled the ranger.
I've read most of this thread and I'm still deeply confused on some particulars re: existing legacy character sheets on DDB.
Let's use my 7th level hexblade warlock as an example. Created, of course, using 2014 rules. Some questions:
What happens to the character sheet on whatever date in September the switch is flipped? Does it remain exactly the same, since it was created prior to the 2024 PHB, or do parts of it get updated?
What happens to spells and invocations that this character has chosen that are NOT in the 2024 PHB?
Do the spells from 2014 that are updated and included in 2024 automatically changed for this character, or do they remain the legacy versions since the sheet was made using 2014 rules?
What happens with this character since its using a patron not available in the 2024 PHB?
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I’ve never made a forum post but have to say this is GD ridiculous! Just add a toggle for 2024 content like you already have in place for other content… infuriating.
The written Rules are still available in your 2014 PHB, DMG, MM and the Basic rules. These don't go away. Rules in the Character sheet and in highlighted links will direct to the new rules.
And now I know why so many people are cancelling their DDB subscriptions. Most people using DDB won't switch to the new version right away, if at all. Their solution is for you to make a homebrew version of the entirety of the 2014 spell list and manually add them to all your characters for the remainder of a campaign, or switch mid-game to the new variant of the system. I'm hopeful a more sensible option appears, cause this is just a bad decision.
Elsewhere in a more tech focused place I have suggested that they enable one or more people to do the homebrew and publish. The similarity test is awkward to get around or I would just do it myself (not impossible, just awkward)
For those with a few tech skills its not that hard. I would just do all the PHB spells and all the DMG magic items - no reason not to when you are scripting the process and have filters by source you can use.
I know the mods have seen and reacted to my suggestion - I don't know the internal decision making processes at Beyond so I don't know if the idea will fly.
I’m disappointed and displeased with this new update and feel it’s handed very poorly. I like to keep my old 2014 character sheets as is and use and preserve them as is. A simple toggle between Wich version I want to use would have been smarter. Do that instead. You literally can do that. You guys make the site. Copying everything home brew is to tedious to do for something that’s fine as is. Not saying the 2024 version of rules are bad but I don’t see why we can’t have both and just toggle. unfortunately A lot of folks I’ve talked to about this have indicated that they will probably leave the site for other places due to being forced to switch. and that’s just unfortunate for this community. It doesn't make sense to force the change when a lot of longtime campaigns are running on 2014 rules and it be very disruptive to change a 2014 character sheet spells and armor class and such mechanics to the newer 2024 version. I urge dnd beyond to reconsider how they approach this update. As the character sheet is what brings most people to this site (myself included) I’ve thus far really loved this site despite all its past hiccups, but this is pretty disruptive to a lot of us long time users. Please listen to the folks who use this site and consider that has been said. Thank you for your time and understanding
As a player and GM who uses Dndbeyond for every campaign, I’m in credibly disappointed in these changes. I am not planning on switching to the 2024 materials and these changes TOTALLY make this game much more difficult to continue on this platform. Goodbye subscription.
the “fix” of being forced to add homebrew versions of all the items and weapons currently being used by me and my players will cause such chaos and waste dozens of hours. This is a poorly planned, let’s only make the shareholders happy type of move that will have people RUNNING from using this platform moving forward. WOTC blew it
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Yeh but dosnt that involve clicking off to another page? And armor class and things change? Sounds disruptive to the flow of the game. Might as well go back to pen and paper
Most thing, will not change, or not in a way that most people will notice. AC, Save DC, proficiency, all that is still the same. certain spells and conditions are different, some more some less
So canceling my preorder and subscription. You guys didn't learn the lesson last time.
Joining all the voices here to add that if this goes through I'll be cancelling my subscription. My table plays 2014 rules, and will continue to play 2014 rules. So if we can no longer access all of the 2014 rules easily on your platform, what am I even doing here?
The only reason I bought any of DnD books here instead of getting a physical copy was that I wanted to be able to use the purchased content (all of it!) with the dndbeyond character sheet. Replacing the old spells with the new versions hampers the use I and many people get out of your site immensely.
You're already keeping a large amount of legacy content around. The old spells and items are already in your system. Just add the new ones and give us an option to toggle 2024 on or off.
This change plus the month delay in the alt cover for the PHB means I’m cancelling my pre orders now.
Query: what happens to 5e spells that were bought using the old a la carte purchasing option? Will we still have access to those? Or, I'm assuming, they will be lost too? In which case, why should I buy anything else on this platform if it will be taken away on a whim? I am guessing that a refund won't be offered...
Subscription Canceled
its sad the only time they look back down at us is when their wallet feels lighter then normal
Forcing us to learn and adapt to the new rules when many of us have years long campaigns under the 2014 ruleset is, frankly, ridiculous. You're forcing us to relearn spells, feats, proficiencies and much more. It should've been left optional. It's as simple as adding a Legacy toggle. Now we need to add our old spells as homebrew?!
I'm getting that awful chill up my spine when companies just disappear when the noise gets loud. Rug pull incoming? Come on, read the concerns and get a response addressing them, quickly. The community is swelling with too much anger right now. We're coming up with better solutions than WOTC and DDB right now. Not a good look.
to be fair thats not hard lol look at how they handled the ranger.
I've read most of this thread and I'm still deeply confused on some particulars re: existing legacy character sheets on DDB.
Let's use my 7th level hexblade warlock as an example. Created, of course, using 2014 rules. Some questions:
What happens to the character sheet on whatever date in September the switch is flipped? Does it remain exactly the same, since it was created prior to the 2024 PHB, or do parts of it get updated?
What happens to spells and invocations that this character has chosen that are NOT in the 2024 PHB?
Do the spells from 2014 that are updated and included in 2024 automatically changed for this character, or do they remain the legacy versions since the sheet was made using 2014 rules?
What happens with this character since its using a patron not available in the 2024 PHB?