If you don't have the DM subscription level (and none of your PC's have it ((or haven't enabled sharing in your campaign))), they won't have access to the adventure like you do. But if you do (or they do/have), PCs will see it all if they want to. Badeye has said that he plans on creating a table enforcement feature in the near future; however, so you'll be able to limit what content your PCs will have access to.
If you want it to be more than a private reference, you could pass your tablet around the table. as you would a real book. It is meant to be a resource used at the gametable after all.
Okay, this makes it a semi-private reference, given the personal nature of such devices. And, as I said elsewhere, I'm not sure this has any real advantage over books, and certainly has some disadvantages over the books. This is a second use that might be reasonable, even though I personally don't consider it such. And, as I say above, when I say one option, I mean one reasonable option.
How about offering a suggestion to improve this. Every time Curse listens, responds and improves I see more negativity. If you don't like what is on offer there is no pressure to buy. We all want this to succeed.
I think the easy solution to be obvious: allow lower tiers to share some unlocked content. It could be as simple as Hero Tier gets to share stuff within one group, and maybe free subscribers with just two or three other subscribers. I apologize if I didn't type that out explicitly. The solution I did suggest was to bundle content with a (higher-priced) subscription, working around the WotC licensing terms by spreading the cost of the licenses over multiple years. The problem, to state it succinctly, is that a Master tier subscription is mandatory to make any substantial use of unlocked content, so it feels like a hidden fee. Both the above solutions would solve that.
I'm not sure how to avoid what you call negativity. I was trying my best to get a clear picture of what the state of affairs was, because I honestly thought that it made little sense for it to be this way, and that I must have misunderstood something. Then, when I was clear about it, I didn't understand how others don't see this as problematic. My slowness on the pickup, again, as I've said elsewhere, is probably a limitation that is intrinsic to me.
And while we're talking about this, I have to say that there's been a couple of accusations that I received in this conversation, which is fine (especially since one guy basically apologized afterwards), but are we really so thin-skinned that criticism is so unwelcome? I'm pretty supportive of Beyond overall, but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to point out a problem if I see one. If we all get to that point, I'm not sure how we'll survive, as a species.
My guess as to the reason you received such a negative reaction from people is that, unfortunately, their has been a very vocal population in these forums that have repeatedly accused Curse of "extortion" and "holding a gun to their head" and demanding that they be given everything for free (or at least even more discounted tan it already is) and insulting anyone who supports DDB. The tone and repetitive nature of your posts are very similar to theirs. It also doesn't help that, when you ask for "reasonable" options, you seem to be defining reasonable as something you personally have thought of and are interested in, while calling any other option, no matter how much it helps someone else, "unreasonable." Also, until this most recent post, you offered nothing constructive in terms of feedback, just criticism that, as you saw it, DDB wasn't catered specifically to you.
In the future, offering helpful suggestions and not dismissing ideas as valid for others simply because they are not specifically beneficial to you will go a long way to helping you come across as offering constructive criticism (or simply seeking an answer to an honest question) instead of as a troll.
Hopefully you've been able to read and re-read other replies you have received to see where the value is in DDB for others, if not for yourself. As many people have stated, DDB is not for everyone. The staff and moderators, however, have gone above and beyond (unavoidable pun) to make DDB work for as many people as possible. Who knows? Maybe DDB will become something that has value to you in the future. The best way to make that happen is to offer suggestions of what they could do instead of pointing out what you do not like.
My guess as to the reason you received such a negative reaction from people is that, unfortunately, their has been a very vocal population in these forums that have repeatedly accused Curse of "extortion" and "holding a gun to their head" and demanding that they be given everything for free (or at least even more discounted tan it already is) and insulting anyone who supports DDB. The tone and repetitive nature of your posts are very similar to theirs. It also doesn't help that, when you ask for "reasonable" options, you seem to be defining reasonable as something you personally have thought of and are interested in, while calling any other option, no matter how much it helps someone else, "unreasonable." Also, until this most recent post, you offered nothing constructive in terms of feedback, just criticism that, as you saw it, DDB wasn't catered specifically to you.
In the future, offering helpful suggestions and not dismissing ideas as valid for others simply because they are not specifically beneficial to you will go a long way to helping you come across as offering constructive criticism (or simply seeking an answer to an honest question) instead of as a troll.
I disagree with your characterization of what went on here. First of all, I never framed the Beyond team in a way remotely close to what you're describing, and I sure hope I never came even close to insulting anyone. I did my best to be respectful to everyone here. Saying my tone was like those who insulted people is simply false. If you pint me to where this might be otherwise, I'll gladly apologize for it.
When I say that unlocked content is only really useful when combined with a master tier subscription, suggesting ways in which I could find the money to pay for a master tier subscription, for example, is not responsive to my point, because I never complained about the price (I did acknowledge it was a substantial price, but I think that's just a statement of fact, not a complaint).
Further, I never thought that the issue I was raising was specific to me. If you think that, you think that there are going to be a ton of people unlocking content without a master tier subscription somewhere among their friends, and I just don't think that's a reasonable expectation.
Many of my posts were honestly seeking information about something that was genuinely not clear to me. Following your suggestion doesn't seem to have gotten me the credit you suggest it should have.
Also, I did offer a solution, in addition to the very obvious one of allowing limited sharing at lower tiers, which I honestly didn't think needed to be articulated.
On the other hand, it's odd to see the number of posts that have criticized mine in this thread, and compare it to the number that have criticized the one calling me names. I don't wish for that poster to be criticized at all (I respect him and don't see his posts as worthy of criticism), but I certainly didn't get a "criticism is welcome" feeling from many posters here, who, ironically, were relatively critical of my posts.
I've tried my best to post articulate, honest , and reasoned posts, and gotten a fair amount of flack in this thread. It makes me regret the time I've spent on these posts.
My guess as to the reason you received such a negative reaction from people is that, unfortunately, their has been a very vocal population in these forums that have repeatedly accused Curse of "extortion" and "holding a gun to their head" and demanding that they be given everything for free (or at least even more discounted tan it already is) and insulting anyone who supports DDB. The tone and repetitive nature of your posts are very similar to theirs. It also doesn't help that, when you ask for "reasonable" options, you seem to be defining reasonable as something you personally have thought of and are interested in, while calling any other option, no matter how much it helps someone else, "unreasonable." Also, until this most recent post, you offered nothing constructive in terms of feedback, just criticism that, as you saw it, DDB wasn't catered specifically to you.
In the future, offering helpful suggestions and not dismissing ideas as valid for others simply because they are not specifically beneficial to you will go a long way to helping you come across as offering constructive criticism (or simply seeking an answer to an honest question) instead of as a troll.
I disagree with your characterization of what went on here. First of all, I never framed the Beyond team in a way remotely close to what you're describing, and I sure hope I never came even close to insulting anyone. I did my best to be respectful to everyone here. Saying my tone was like those who insulted people is simply false. If you pint me to where this might be otherwise, I'll gladly apologize for it.
When I say that unlocked content is only really useful when combined with a master tier subscription, suggesting ways in which I could find the money to pay for a master tier subscription, for example, is not responsive to my point, because I never complained about the price (I did acknowledge it was a substantial price, but I think that's just a statement of fact, not a complaint).
Further, I never thought that the issue I was raising was specific to me. If you think that, you think that there are going to be a ton of people unlocking content without a master tier subscription somewhere among their friends, and I just don't think that's a reasonable expectation.
Many of my posts were honestly seeking information about something that was genuinely not clear to me. Following your suggestion doesn't seem to have gotten me the credit you suggest it should have.
Also, I did offer a solution, in addition to the very obvious one of allowing limited sharing at lower tiers, which I honestly didn't think needed to be articulated.
On the other hand, it's odd to see the number of posts that have criticized mine in this thread, and compare it to the number that have criticized the one calling me names. I don't wish for that poster to be criticized at all (I respect him and don't see his posts as worthy of criticism), but I certainly didn't get a "criticism is welcome" feeling from many posters here, who, ironically, were relatively critical of my posts.
I've tried my best to post articulate, honest , and reasoned posts, and gotten a fair amount of flack in this thread. It makes me regret the time I've spent on these posts.
I'm sorry if you feel a little persecuted, Nazim. I am sure that was not the main intent of those replying to you.
Unfortunately the old adage "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" has been true on this forum. Most people are happy enough with the product to not be involved in the forum. This kind of feedback forum draws the same anonymous responders that exist everywhere on the internet. We have those who have questions, those who wish to offer constructive criticism, and those who wish to rail against supposed injustices [ by a completely different corporate entity that Curse has to pay a licence to ]. Some of us wish to defend a product that we foresee as having a lot of potential for gamers, new and old, against those who are too short-sighted to see the potential, or those who wish to be angry about decisions outside Curse's purview.
I know that you were seeking knowledge and clarification on what was on offer. Please continue to keep the developers and those of us who have "drunk the koolaid" honest :)
My guess as to the reason you received such a negative reaction from people is that, unfortunately, their has been a very vocal population in these forums that have repeatedly accused Curse of "extortion" and "holding a gun to their head" and demanding that they be given everything for free (or at least even more discounted tan it already is) and insulting anyone who supports DDB. The tone and repetitive nature of your posts are very similar to theirs. It also doesn't help that, when you ask for "reasonable" options, you seem to be defining reasonable as something you personally have thought of and are interested in, while calling any other option, no matter how much it helps someone else, "unreasonable." Also, until this most recent post, you offered nothing constructive in terms of feedback, just criticism that, as you saw it, DDB wasn't catered specifically to you.
In the future, offering helpful suggestions and not dismissing ideas as valid for others simply because they are not specifically beneficial to you will go a long way to helping you come across as offering constructive criticism (or simply seeking an answer to an honest question) instead of as a troll.
I disagree with your characterization of what went on here. First of all, I never framed the Beyond team in a way remotely close to what you're describing, and I sure hope I never came even close to insulting anyone. I did my best to be respectful to everyone here. Saying my tone was like those who insulted people is simply false. If you pint me to where this might be otherwise, I'll gladly apologize for it.
When I say that unlocked content is only really useful when combined with a master tier subscription, suggesting ways in which I could find the money to pay for a master tier subscription, for example, is not responsive to my point, because I never complained about the price (I did acknowledge it was a substantial price, but I think that's just a statement of fact, not a complaint).
Further, I never thought that the issue I was raising was specific to me. If you think that, you think that there are going to be a ton of people unlocking content without a master tier subscription somewhere among their friends, and I just don't think that's a reasonable expectation.
Many of my posts were honestly seeking information about something that was genuinely not clear to me. Following your suggestion doesn't seem to have gotten me the credit you suggest it should have.
Also, I did offer a solution, in addition to the very obvious one of allowing limited sharing at lower tiers, which I honestly didn't think needed to be articulated.
On the other hand, it's odd to see the number of posts that have criticized mine in this thread, and compare it to the number that have criticized the one calling me names. I don't wish for that poster to be criticized at all (I respect him and don't see his posts as worthy of criticism), but I certainly didn't get a "criticism is welcome" feeling from many posters here, who, ironically, were relatively critical of my posts.
I've tried my best to post articulate, honest , and reasoned posts, and gotten a fair amount of flack in this thread. It makes me regret the time I've spent on these posts.
You're interacting with humans. On the Internet, no less. Why on Earth would you expect logic, reason, impartiality, and common sense?
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My guess as to the reason you received such a negative reaction from people is that, unfortunately, their has been a very vocal population in these forums that have repeatedly accused Curse of "extortion" and "holding a gun to their head" and demanding that they be given everything for free (or at least even more discounted tan it already is) and insulting anyone who supports DDB. The tone and repetitive nature of your posts are very similar to theirs. It also doesn't help that, when you ask for "reasonable" options, you seem to be defining reasonable as something you personally have thought of and are interested in, while calling any other option, no matter how much it helps someone else, "unreasonable." Also, until this most recent post, you offered nothing constructive in terms of feedback, just criticism that, as you saw it, DDB wasn't catered specifically to you.
In the future, offering helpful suggestions and not dismissing ideas as valid for others simply because they are not specifically beneficial to you will go a long way to helping you come across as offering constructive criticism (or simply seeking an answer to an honest question) instead of as a troll.
I disagree with your characterization of what went on here. First of all, I never framed the Beyond team in a way remotely close to what you're describing, and I sure hope I never came even close to insulting anyone. I did my best to be respectful to everyone here. Saying my tone was like those who insulted people is simply false. If you pint me to where this might be otherwise, I'll gladly apologize for it.
When I say that unlocked content is only really useful when combined with a master tier subscription, suggesting ways in which I could find the money to pay for a master tier subscription, for example, is not responsive to my point, because I never complained about the price (I did acknowledge it was a substantial price, but I think that's just a statement of fact, not a complaint).
Further, I never thought that the issue I was raising was specific to me. If you think that, you think that there are going to be a ton of people unlocking content without a master tier subscription somewhere among their friends, and I just don't think that's a reasonable expectation.
Many of my posts were honestly seeking information about something that was genuinely not clear to me. Following your suggestion doesn't seem to have gotten me the credit you suggest it should have.
Also, I did offer a solution, in addition to the very obvious one of allowing limited sharing at lower tiers, which I honestly didn't think needed to be articulated.
On the other hand, it's odd to see the number of posts that have criticized mine in this thread, and compare it to the number that have criticized the one calling me names. I don't wish for that poster to be criticized at all (I respect him and don't see his posts as worthy of criticism), but I certainly didn't get a "criticism is welcome" feeling from many posters here, who, ironically, were relatively critical of my posts.
I've tried my best to post articulate, honest , and reasoned posts, and gotten a fair amount of flack in this thread. It makes me regret the time I've spent on these posts.
You're interacting with humans. On the Internet, no less. Why on Earth would you expect logic, reason, impartiality, and common sense?
Nazim, this is a very valid point. We don't get to choose how we get perceived, any of us. That's partially because our actions are colored by other peoples' experiences, which we can't control. It's not necessarily any one thing that you said, but perhaps your tone, and the way that you reacted to peoples' responses, is why the have colored their perception of you. It's no different than how you perceived my continually saying that D&D Beyond as not being for everyone as being dismissive. There's nothing in the wording there that's dismissive, and I felt I went out of my way to indicate my earnestness, but your perception of it was dismissive based on your personal history and termanistic screens. When you pointed out how you felt, I immediately understood that your perception of my statements clearly guided how you responded, and how you didn't feel like it was a satisfactory answer, because I'm aware that perception is more important than reality. This is going to have to one of those times for you. People took the way you were responding in the whole, and not just individual parts, and came to a conclusion, also based on their own previous experiences that have nothing to do with you. My advice is to be aware of that, and use it going forward to understand how to approach your insights and criticisms for a more maximized benefit.
I'm sorry if you feel a little persecuted, Nazim. I am sure that was not the main intent of those replying to you.
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I know that you were seeking knowledge and clarification on what was on offer. Please continue to keep the developers and those of us who have "drunk the koolaid" honest :)
You're interacting with humans. On the Internet, no less. Why on Earth would you expect logic, reason, impartiality, and common sense?
Nazim, this is a very valid point. We don't get to choose how we get perceived, any of us. That's partially because our actions are colored by other peoples' experiences, which we can't control. It's not necessarily any one thing that you said, but perhaps your tone, and the way that you reacted to peoples' responses, is why the have colored their perception of you. It's no different than how you perceived my continually saying that D&D Beyond as not being for everyone as being dismissive. There's nothing in the wording there that's dismissive, and I felt I went out of my way to indicate my earnestness, but your perception of it was dismissive based on your personal history and termanistic screens. When you pointed out how you felt, I immediately understood that your perception of my statements clearly guided how you responded, and how you didn't feel like it was a satisfactory answer, because I'm aware that perception is more important than reality. This is going to have to one of those times for you. People took the way you were responding in the whole, and not just individual parts, and came to a conclusion, also based on their own previous experiences that have nothing to do with you. My advice is to be aware of that, and use it going forward to understand how to approach your insights and criticisms for a more maximized benefit.
Rubahak, I believe the lesson that "this is the world, get used to it," would be much better served to those who took my feedback poorly, but I could easily be wrong.
Having followed this conversation, being worried that it would become one of those threads where I'd need to wield the moderator hammer, I'd just like to thank you all for being so remarkably civil in the way you've discussed things from different perspectives.
Good work people! :)
Also, Nazim, questions and criticism are always allowed here - the Curse team are very receptive to feedback and the product wouldn't be as good as it is without that feedback. The moderator team will defend your right to criticise and propose changes.
You're interacting with humans. On the Internet, no less. Why on Earth would you expect logic, reason, impartiality, and common sense?
Nazim, this is a very valid point. We don't get to choose how we get perceived, any of us. That's partially because our actions are colored by other peoples' experiences, which we can't control. It's not necessarily any one thing that you said, but perhaps your tone, and the way that you reacted to peoples' responses, is why the have colored their perception of you. It's no different than how you perceived my continually saying that D&D Beyond as not being for everyone as being dismissive. There's nothing in the wording there that's dismissive, and I felt I went out of my way to indicate my earnestness, but your perception of it was dismissive based on your personal history and termanistic screens. When you pointed out how you felt, I immediately understood that your perception of my statements clearly guided how you responded, and how you didn't feel like it was a satisfactory answer, because I'm aware that perception is more important than reality. This is going to have to one of those times for you. People took the way you were responding in the whole, and not just individual parts, and came to a conclusion, also based on their own previous experiences that have nothing to do with you. My advice is to be aware of that, and use it going forward to understand how to approach your insights and criticisms for a more maximized benefit.
Rubahak, I believe the lesson that "this is the world, get used to it," would be much better served to those who took my feedback poorly, but I could easily be wrong.
A lesson for one is a lesson for all. Neither you, nor I, are special. They apply to everyone. The wisdom that I shared is one that I've learned on my own, and one that I hoped to depart on you, so you don't have to the hard way, too. Also, I didn't say, "this is the world, get used to it," and with it a very dismissive tone that you seem to be presenting. That's very mischaracterizing, and frankly a little insulting. If anything, I was saying that you need to be mindful of other people, and how they react, when you speak. In writer's terms: know your audience. What I'm saying is that if you want to try to reach your audience, be aware of who they are, and how they react to things. What works with some may not work with other, or even most. It's best to adjust your tone and approach to your audience. Even then, you won't always get through, because of their own termanistic screens, just as you warped what I said based on your own termanistic screens and preconceived notions. If you were to poll most people, they would say that, other than my first expression of frustration, I have been very diplomatic and understanding, and have been anything but dismissive. I even let it slide with you made a very negative comment that was likely alluding to me, or at least that's how I perceived it Which goes to the point that I was making about perception being more important than reality, because that's how I interpreted your words, and I was offended by it. I'm not asking for an apology, but I'm bringing it up as an example. We all need to be aware of ourselves, and how we might perceived. It may be hard to pick out at first, because we won't always know how we're coming across based on the audience, but it's up to us to adjust to our audience once we do. Conversely, when we listen, we need to be aware of the speaker, and where they're trying to come from, just as I adjusted my attitude towards you as soon as I started to understand where you were coming from. A courteousy, might I add, that it doesn't seem like you're returning by continuing to assume that I'm being dismissive, and continuing to frame my responses that way, even though I've explicitely stated otherwise. That is what I mean. I do hope that you take that to heart and try to be aware, and adjust accordingly, just as I have.
If I am paying for one of the subscription plans, and I have more than 6 characters, what happens if my subscription expires and reverts to the Free tier? Will any characters above 6 be auto-deleted, or will they simply be inaccessible (i.e. I can reactivate my paid sub and they will be available again)? Who decides which 6 of my, say, 20 characters remain, and how is this decision controlled?
If I am paying for one of the subscription plans, and I have more than 6 characters, what happens if my subscription expires and reverts to the Free tier? Will any characters above 6 be auto-deleted, or will they simply be inaccessible (i.e. I can reactivate my paid sub and they will be available again)? Who decides which 6 of my, say, 20 characters remain, and how is this decision controlled?
If you let the subscription to expire, you will be asked to choose to lock the slots in excess.
My question is ... if i buy the PHB or any other digital content... full or just a part of any digital stuff as a one time. i know it will be availaible online but will it be available as a pdf for printing so i can use it offline for any particular reason like my tablette is broken, im going to play with friends at a chalet/cabin without internet / or any good reason i cant access the webpage ?
If I am paying for one of the subscription plans, and I have more than 6 characters, what happens if my subscription expires and reverts to the Free tier? Will any characters above 6 be auto-deleted, or will they simply be inaccessible (i.e. I can reactivate my paid sub and they will be available again)? Who decides which 6 of my, say, 20 characters remain, and how is this decision controlled?
If you let the subscription to expire, you will be asked to choose to lock the slots in excess.
Great, thanks for clarifying!
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I can't remember if this was asked/answered already, and quite frankly the forums are just so big it is hard to search all of it,
Is there going to be an encounter builder in DDB or is just all of the information?
Either way I am overall happy with what they are going to be putting out. Obviously not everyone's wishes can be granted.
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How does adventures get shared? If I'm the dm and I don't want my players to see the adventure in full how do I prevent that from happening?
If you don't have the DM subscription level (and none of your PC's have it ((or haven't enabled sharing in your campaign))), they won't have access to the adventure like you do. But if you do (or they do/have), PCs will see it all if they want to. Badeye has said that he plans on creating a table enforcement feature in the near future; however, so you'll be able to limit what content your PCs will have access to.
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Having followed this conversation, being worried that it would become one of those threads where I'd need to wield the moderator hammer, I'd just like to thank you all for being so remarkably civil in the way you've discussed things from different perspectives.
Good work people! :)
Also, Nazim, questions and criticism are always allowed here - the Curse team are very receptive to feedback and the product wouldn't be as good as it is without that feedback. The moderator team will defend your right to criticise and propose changes.
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If I am paying for one of the subscription plans, and I have more than 6 characters, what happens if my subscription expires and reverts to the Free tier? Will any characters above 6 be auto-deleted, or will they simply be inaccessible (i.e. I can reactivate my paid sub and they will be available again)? Who decides which 6 of my, say, 20 characters remain, and how is this decision controlled?
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My question is ... if i buy the PHB or any other digital content... full or just a part of any digital stuff as a one time. i know it will be availaible online but will it be available as a pdf for printing so i can use it offline for any particular reason like my tablette is broken, im going to play with friends at a chalet/cabin without internet / or any good reason i cant access the webpage ?
thanks