Small potatoes question. With the Artificer now automatically giving the Mending cantrip. Is there a way to change the Rock Gnome Mending Cantrip to be able to choose something else? Ex. Acid Splash, Dancing Lights, ect.? Or The Artificers Mending for a different when a Rock Gnome?
Small potatoes question. With the Artificer now automatically giving the Mending cantrip. Is there a way to change the Rock Gnome Mending Cantrip to be able to choose something else? Ex. Acid Splash, Dancing Lights, ect.? Or The Artificers Mending for a different when a Rock Gnome?
As a general note: That's not something they do. The official rules generally don't care if you get the same spell from multiple sources, and there may be some less-optimal combinations (like Rock Gnome + Artificer) as a result. And Beyond is designed to support the official rules. Bugs are one thing, but they won't intentionally implement a change that breaks the rules.
However: If your DM agrees, you can make a homebrew copy of the Gnome to create a variant of Rock Gnome with a different cantrip. Granted spells are a thing that can be edited in the homebrewer.
If Absorb Elements isn't on the 2024 Artificer Spell list simply because the original printing of the Spell didn't list the Artificer class. Than that's frankly BS. The Artificer class didn't exist at the time of its printing. 2024 Ranger has Absorb Elements (not on its PHP class list, but because EEPC listed it as 2014 Ranger Spell). In 2014 TCoE fixed this by adding Absord Elements to the Artifcer spell list. This should be enough to have it added.
If not then what's the process to get WoTC to update Errata to EEPC and Sage Advice to fix that issue?
If Absorb Elements isn't on the 2024 Artificer Spell list simply because the original printing of the Spell didn't list the Artificer class. Than that's frankly BS. The Artificer class didn't exist at the time of its printing. 2024 Ranger has Absorb Elements (not on its PHP class list, but because EEPC listed it as 2014 Ranger Spell). In 2014 TCoE fixed this by adding Absord Elements to the Artifcer spell list. This should be enough to have it added.
If not then what's the process to get WoTC to update Errata to EEPC and Sage Advice to fix that issue?
If you look at the more recent posts on the matter, the people in charge of decisions are out of the office and are going to be asked about it after the holiday weekend. The matter can't move until then.
If Absorb Elements isn't on the 2024 Artificer Spell list simply because the original printing of the Spell didn't list the Artificer class. Than that's frankly BS. The Artificer class didn't exist at the time of its printing. 2024 Ranger has Absorb Elements (not on its PHP class list, but because EEPC listed it as 2014 Ranger Spell). In 2014 TCoE fixed this by adding Absord Elements to the Artifcer spell list. This should be enough to have it added.
If not then what's the process to get WoTC to update Errata to EEPC and Sage Advice to fix that issue?
If you look at the more recent posts on the matter, the people in charge of decisions are out of the office and are going to be asked about it after the holiday weekend. The matter can't move until then.
I read them. Still said what I said to add another voice to an FAQ.
If Absorb Elements isn't on the 2024 Artificer Spell list simply because the original printing of the Spell didn't list the Artificer class. Than that's frankly BS. The Artificer class didn't exist at the time of its printing. 2024 Ranger has Absorb Elements (not on its PHP class list, but because EEPC listed it as 2014 Ranger Spell). In 2014 TCoE fixed this by adding Absord Elements to the Artifcer spell list. This should be enough to have it added.
If not then what's the process to get WoTC to update Errata to EEPC and Sage Advice to fix that issue?
If you look at the more recent posts on the matter, the people in charge of decisions are out of the office and are going to be asked about it after the holiday weekend. The matter can't move until then.
I read them. Still said what I said to add another voice to an FAQ.
Note that also this thread is for issues with the D&D Beyond implementation of the book, not the rules content of the book. The process of getting this spell included on the 2024 Artificer spell list would've most likely been completing the UA survey for the class
If you're unwilling to accept the mods literally reporting back that they've been instructed that Xanathar's spells being excluded is intentional, that's on you.
For the record: I have received no such instruction. I plan to discuss this with the devs after the holiday break, but until then, I have no official answer here.
That said, I do typically need a rules basis before submitting a bug report. Hence the question: outside of the 2014 Artificer class itself -- i.e. this page in ERFTLW and this one in TCOE -- is there any rule in any book that would make these Artificer spells? If not, the logical conclusion would be that their exclusion is RAW.
These spells are not on the spell lists on 2024 classes - eg. Wizard -, but still can be selected on these classes. If Artificers doesn't receive these spells than it breaks backward compatibility and would be another huge nerf in the designt process.
Anyway, thanks for your work and your open communication.
Note that also this thread is for issues with the D&D Beyond implementation of the book, not the rules content of the book. The process of getting this spell included on the 2024 Artificer spell list would've most likely been completing the UA survey for the class
Yeah, but IMHO many of us thought originally that missing spells were just az implementation bug not a questionable design choice. IIRC the UA class also stated that Artificer is backward compatible, so older, not updated spells are available for the class.
Regarding the Artificer Expanded Spells List. I guess I'm just confused about why spells like Booming Blade (and the rest of those now added) have now been (rightfully, IMO) recognised as a bug already when they were missing and have since been added, whereas spells like Absorb Elements (and the rest of those not added) have not...
I mean, Booming Blade (and others) originally appeared in SCAG in 2015, it did not appear in E:RftLW in 2019 but it did appear later in TCoE in 2020. SCAG obviously doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. E:RftLW doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell. Booming Blade wasn't added to the Artificer Spell List until TCoE and hasn't been mentioned as an Artificer Spell anywhere else.
Absorb Elements (and others) originally appeared in EEPC / PotA in 2015, it also appears in XGtE in 2017, and E:RftLW in 2019, and TCoE in 2020. EEPC and PotA obviously doesn't call out Absorb Elements as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. Likewise, XGtE doesn't either for the same reason. Unlike Booming Blade, which was NOT added to the Artificer in E:RftLW in 2019, Absorb Elements WAS added to the Artificer at this point. It also appears for Artificers in TCoE in 2020.
What is it about Booming Blade that passed the "We should add this to the list now" check, but Absorb Elements didn't pass the same check? Where is Booming Blade mentioned as an Artificer Spell outside of TCoE? The only difference I'm seeing is that Booming Blade (and others) originated in SCAG and were not added to XGtE or to E:RftLW, but were added to TCoE, whereas Absorb Elements (and others) originated in EEPC / PotA and were added to XGtE, and to E:RtLW, and to TCoE.
I am aware we are now waiting on the Devs to respond after the holidays, so I'm not expecting any turnaround this weekend, I'm just confused about the criteria for determining that Booming Blade's omission was in fact an error, but Absorb Elements omission was not...
Regarding the Artificer Expanded Spells List. I guess I'm just confused about why spells like Booming Blade (and the rest of those now added) have now been (rightfully, IMO) recognised as a bug already when they were missing and have since been added, whereas spells like Absorb Elements (and the rest of those not added) have not...
I mean, Booming Blade (and others) originally appeared in SCAG in 2015, it did not appear in E:RftLW in 2019 but it did appear later in TCoE in 2020. SCAG obviously doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. E:RftLW doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell. Booming Blade wasn't added to the Artificer Spell List until TCoE and hasn't been mentioned as an Artificer Spell anywhere else.
Absorb Elements (and others) originally appeared in EEPC / PotA in 2015, it also appears in XGtE in 2017, and E:RftLW in 2019, and TCoE in 2020. EEPC and PotA obviously doesn't call out Absorb Elements as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. Likewise, XGtE doesn't either for the same reason. Unlike Booming Blade, which was NOT added to the Artificer in E:RftLW in 2019, Absorb Elements WAS added to the Artificer at this point. It also appears for Artificers in TCoE in 2020.
What is it about Booming Blade that passed the "We should add this to the list now" check, but Absorb Elements didn't pass the same check? Where is Booming Blade mentioned as an Artificer Spell outside of TCoE? The only difference I'm seeing is that Booming Blade (and others) originated in SCAG and were not added to XGtE or to E:RftLW, but were added to TCoE, whereas Absorb Elements (and others) originated in EEPC / PotA and were added to XGtE, and to E:RtLW, and to TCoE.
I am aware we are now waiting on the Devs to respond after the holidays, so I'm not expecting any turnaround this weekend, I'm just confused about the criteria for determining that Booming Blade's omission was in fact an error, but Absorb Elements omission was not...
If you are in a pinch and need it fast. Create a home brew magic item (ring) and add the ability to cast X Spell. Subtract 1 from the list known/prepared on your Artificer so one open slot isn’t being used to keep it fair. Equip Homebrew item. Cast that spell from item on D&D beyond sheet. I did a “2024 Artificer Spell Ring” when I was testing the UA Artificer in my current campaign.
Regarding the Artificer Expanded Spells List. I guess I'm just confused about why spells like Booming Blade (and the rest of those now added) have now been (rightfully, IMO) recognised as a bug already when they were missing and have since been added, whereas spells like Absorb Elements (and the rest of those not added) have not...
I mean, Booming Blade (and others) originally appeared in SCAG in 2015, it did not appear in E:RftLW in 2019 but it did appear later in TCoE in 2020. SCAG obviously doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. E:RftLW doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell. Booming Blade wasn't added to the Artificer Spell List until TCoE and hasn't been mentioned as an Artificer Spell anywhere else.
Absorb Elements (and others) originally appeared in EEPC / PotA in 2015, it also appears in XGtE in 2017, and E:RftLW in 2019, and TCoE in 2020. EEPC and PotA obviously doesn't call out Absorb Elements as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. Likewise, XGtE doesn't either for the same reason. Unlike Booming Blade, which was NOT added to the Artificer in E:RftLW in 2019, Absorb Elements WAS added to the Artificer at this point. It also appears for Artificers in TCoE in 2020.
What is it about Booming Blade that passed the "We should add this to the list now" check, but Absorb Elements didn't pass the same check? Where is Booming Blade mentioned as an Artificer Spell outside of TCoE? The only difference I'm seeing is that Booming Blade (and others) originated in SCAG and were not added to XGtE or to E:RftLW, but were added to TCoE, whereas Absorb Elements (and others) originated in EEPC / PotA and were added to XGtE, and to E:RtLW, and to TCoE.
I am aware we are now waiting on the Devs to respond after the holidays, so I'm not expecting any turnaround this weekend, I'm just confused about the criteria for determining that Booming Blade's omission was in fact an error, but Absorb Elements omission was not...
The difference is that Booming Blade was reprinted in TCE, but Absorb Elements was not. The section on artificers does reference the spell, but only points to XGE for a description. Whether or not that is a good reason for their current decision, I don't know, but there is a difference.
Regarding the Artificer Expanded Spells List. I guess I'm just confused about why spells like Booming Blade (and the rest of those now added) have now been (rightfully, IMO) recognised as a bug already when they were missing and have since been added, whereas spells like Absorb Elements (and the rest of those not added) have not...
I mean, Booming Blade (and others) originally appeared in SCAG in 2015, it did not appear in E:RftLW in 2019 but it did appear later in TCoE in 2020. SCAG obviously doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. E:RftLW doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell. Booming Blade wasn't added to the Artificer Spell List until TCoE and hasn't been mentioned as an Artificer Spell anywhere else.
Absorb Elements (and others) originally appeared in EEPC / PotA in 2015, it also appears in XGtE in 2017, and E:RftLW in 2019, and TCoE in 2020. EEPC and PotA obviously doesn't call out Absorb Elements as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. Likewise, XGtE doesn't either for the same reason. Unlike Booming Blade, which was NOT added to the Artificer in E:RftLW in 2019, Absorb Elements WAS added to the Artificer at this point. It also appears for Artificers in TCoE in 2020.
What is it about Booming Blade that passed the "We should add this to the list now" check, but Absorb Elements didn't pass the same check? Where is Booming Blade mentioned as an Artificer Spell outside of TCoE? The only difference I'm seeing is that Booming Blade (and others) originated in SCAG and were not added to XGtE or to E:RftLW, but were added to TCoE, whereas Absorb Elements (and others) originated in EEPC / PotA and were added to XGtE, and to E:RtLW, and to TCoE.
I am aware we are now waiting on the Devs to respond after the holidays, so I'm not expecting any turnaround this weekend, I'm just confused about the criteria for determining that Booming Blade's omission was in fact an error, but Absorb Elements omission was not...
If you are in a pinch and need it fast. Create a home brew magic item (ring) and add the ability to cast X Spell. Subtract 1 from the list known/prepared on your Artificer so one open slot isn’t being used to keep it fair. Equip Homebrew item. Cast that spell from item on D&D beyond sheet. I did a “2024 Artificer Spell Ring” when I was testing the UA Artificer in my current campaign.
Wouldn't it just be easier to homebrew a copy of the spell itself and then add the new artificer as an available class?
Regarding the Artificer Expanded Spells List. I guess I'm just confused about why spells like Booming Blade (and the rest of those now added) have now been (rightfully, IMO) recognised as a bug already when they were missing and have since been added, whereas spells like Absorb Elements (and the rest of those not added) have not...
I mean, Booming Blade (and others) originally appeared in SCAG in 2015, it did not appear in E:RftLW in 2019 but it did appear later in TCoE in 2020. SCAG obviously doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. E:RftLW doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell. Booming Blade wasn't added to the Artificer Spell List until TCoE and hasn't been mentioned as an Artificer Spell anywhere else.
Absorb Elements (and others) originally appeared in EEPC / PotA in 2015, it also appears in XGtE in 2017, and E:RftLW in 2019, and TCoE in 2020. EEPC and PotA obviously doesn't call out Absorb Elements as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. Likewise, XGtE doesn't either for the same reason. Unlike Booming Blade, which was NOT added to the Artificer in E:RftLW in 2019, Absorb Elements WAS added to the Artificer at this point. It also appears for Artificers in TCoE in 2020.
What is it about Booming Blade that passed the "We should add this to the list now" check, but Absorb Elements didn't pass the same check? Where is Booming Blade mentioned as an Artificer Spell outside of TCoE? The only difference I'm seeing is that Booming Blade (and others) originated in SCAG and were not added to XGtE or to E:RftLW, but were added to TCoE, whereas Absorb Elements (and others) originated in EEPC / PotA and were added to XGtE, and to E:RtLW, and to TCoE.
I am aware we are now waiting on the Devs to respond after the holidays, so I'm not expecting any turnaround this weekend, I'm just confused about the criteria for determining that Booming Blade's omission was in fact an error, but Absorb Elements omission was not...
The difference is that Booming Blade was reprinted in TCE, but Absorb Elements was not. The section on artificers does reference the spell, but only points to XGE for a description. Whether or not that is a good reason for their current decision, I don't know, but there is a difference.
If that is the reason, then that's a bad reason. Both spells were originally printed in 2015 (different sources), one just happens to be reprinted in 2017 and then simply referenced in 2020, and that's not added to the new Artificer Spell List, whereas the other happened to be not reprinted or referenced in 2017, but later reprinted in 2020, and that is added to the new Artificer Spell List?
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the Devs say, but if that's the logic, then it makes no sense and I'll just have to homebrew the spells onto the 2024 Artificer Spell List myself.
Regarding the Artificer Expanded Spells List. I guess I'm just confused about why spells like Booming Blade (and the rest of those now added) have now been (rightfully, IMO) recognised as a bug already when they were missing and have since been added, whereas spells like Absorb Elements (and the rest of those not added) have not...
I mean, Booming Blade (and others) originally appeared in SCAG in 2015, it did not appear in E:RftLW in 2019 but it did appear later in TCoE in 2020. SCAG obviously doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. E:RftLW doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell. Booming Blade wasn't added to the Artificer Spell List until TCoE and hasn't been mentioned as an Artificer Spell anywhere else.
Absorb Elements (and others) originally appeared in EEPC / PotA in 2015, it also appears in XGtE in 2017, and E:RftLW in 2019, and TCoE in 2020. EEPC and PotA obviously doesn't call out Absorb Elements as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. Likewise, XGtE doesn't either for the same reason. Unlike Booming Blade, which was NOT added to the Artificer in E:RftLW in 2019, Absorb Elements WAS added to the Artificer at this point. It also appears for Artificers in TCoE in 2020.
What is it about Booming Blade that passed the "We should add this to the list now" check, but Absorb Elements didn't pass the same check? Where is Booming Blade mentioned as an Artificer Spell outside of TCoE? The only difference I'm seeing is that Booming Blade (and others) originated in SCAG and were not added to XGtE or to E:RftLW, but were added to TCoE, whereas Absorb Elements (and others) originated in EEPC / PotA and were added to XGtE, and to E:RtLW, and to TCoE.
I am aware we are now waiting on the Devs to respond after the holidays, so I'm not expecting any turnaround this weekend, I'm just confused about the criteria for determining that Booming Blade's omission was in fact an error, but Absorb Elements omission was not...
If you are in a pinch and need it fast. Create a home brew magic item (ring) and add the ability to cast X Spell. Subtract 1 from the list known/prepared on your Artificer so one open slot isn’t being used to keep it fair. Equip Homebrew item. Cast that spell from item on D&D beyond sheet. I did a “2024 Artificer Spell Ring” when I was testing the UA Artificer in my current campaign.
Even easier, create a Homebrew Spell based on the spell missing from the new Artificer (such as Absorb Elements) and add it to the 2024 Artificer Spell List, then simply allow Homebrew in the Character Creator.
None of the spells from the Elemental Evil Player's Guide are available for the new Artificer unless they were reprinted in a different book. For example, I cannot add Catapult or Pyrotechnics, but I can add Booming Blade and Ice Knife. They are still available for the legacy version of the Artificer.
None of the spells from the Elemental Evil Player's Guide are available for the new Artificer unless they were reprinted in a different book. For example, I cannot add Catapult or Pyrotechnics, but I can add Booming Blade and Ice Knife. They are still available for the legacy version of the Artificer.
There’s been an extensive discussion of this issue in this thread; if you scroll back you can see the details. The gist of the current situation is that we won’t see any changes until after the holiday weekend, when the devs will have a chance to evaluate the issue.
I mean, Booming Blade (and others) originally appeared in SCAG in 2015, it did not appear in E:RftLW in 2019 but it did appear later in TCoE in 2020. SCAG obviously doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. E:RftLW doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell. Booming Blade wasn't added to the Artificer Spell List until TCoE and hasn't been mentioned as an Artificer Spell anywhere else.
Absorb Elements (and others) originally appeared in EEPC / PotA in 2015, it also appears in XGtE in 2017, and E:RftLW in 2019, and TCoE in 2020. EEPC and PotA obviously doesn't call out Absorb Elements as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. Likewise, XGtE doesn't either for the same reason. Unlike Booming Blade, which was NOT added to the Artificer in E:RftLW in 2019, Absorb Elements WAS added to the Artificer at this point. It also appears for Artificers in TCoE in 2020.
What is it about Booming Blade that passed the "We should add this to the list now" check, but Absorb Elements didn't pass the same check? Where is Booming Blade mentioned as an Artificer Spell outside of TCoE? The only difference I'm seeing is that Booming Blade (and others) originated in SCAG and were not added to XGtE or to E:RftLW, but were added to TCoE, whereas Absorb Elements (and others) originated in EEPC / PotA and were added to XGtE, and to E:RtLW, and to TCoE.
To restate what's already been stated repeatedly for those who refuse to read earlier posts:
When the Artificer class was released in ERftLW, it was released with a base spell list. This set the basis of what spells are Artificer spells for the 2014 Artificer. It called on a set of 15 spells that were printed in XGtE (many of which were also in EEPC, but that's not relevant). This list was the Artificer's equivalent to the base lists printed in the PHB for the other classes.
When other books came out and added spells to the Artificer (TCoE, FToD, SAiS, and SaCoC), those spells explicitly make themselves additional class spells. This isn't based on the class spell list, it's based on a new source adding spells to the list. So those spells are considered Artificer spells independently of the class spell list.
Now, the base class spell list is updated with the release of the 2024 Artificer. Any spells that it doesn't call on that were part of the base spell list are not Artificer spells from a RAW reading of the rules. Any that add themselves to the class spell list are. For an example, Vortex Warp was brought up before, and just as it's still a Wizard spell on 2024 Wizard, it's still an Artificer spell.
This has unfortunate results for the 15 spells printed in Xanathar's because they were part of the base spell list. It's possible this was unintended, but until the answer of intent is certain, that's how the rules fall as written.
Now, until we get an official answer on the intent, can we PLEASE let this rest and leave the thread free for ACTUAL bug reports? Y'all are cluttering a bug report thread with how you feel about this. Make your own thread if you want to discuss how you feel about it.
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Small potatoes question.
With the Artificer now automatically giving the Mending cantrip. Is there a way to change the Rock Gnome Mending Cantrip to be able to choose something else? Ex. Acid Splash, Dancing Lights, ect.? Or The Artificers Mending for a different when a Rock Gnome?
As a general note: That's not something they do. The official rules generally don't care if you get the same spell from multiple sources, and there may be some less-optimal combinations (like Rock Gnome + Artificer) as a result. And Beyond is designed to support the official rules. Bugs are one thing, but they won't intentionally implement a change that breaks the rules.
However: If your DM agrees, you can make a homebrew copy of the Gnome to create a variant of Rock Gnome with a different cantrip. Granted spells are a thing that can be edited in the homebrewer.
If Absorb Elements isn't on the 2024 Artificer Spell list simply because the original printing of the Spell didn't list the Artificer class. Than that's frankly BS. The Artificer class didn't exist at the time of its printing. 2024 Ranger has Absorb Elements (not on its PHP class list, but because EEPC listed it as 2014 Ranger Spell). In 2014 TCoE fixed this by adding Absord Elements to the Artifcer spell list. This should be enough to have it added.
If not then what's the process to get WoTC to update Errata to EEPC and Sage Advice to fix that issue?
If you look at the more recent posts on the matter, the people in charge of decisions are out of the office and are going to be asked about it after the holiday weekend. The matter can't move until then.
I read them. Still said what I said to add another voice to an FAQ.
Note that also this thread is for issues with the D&D Beyond implementation of the book, not the rules content of the book. The process of getting this spell included on the 2024 Artificer spell list would've most likely been completing the UA survey for the class
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These spells are not on the spell lists on 2024 classes - eg. Wizard -, but still can be selected on these classes. If Artificers doesn't receive these spells than it breaks backward compatibility and would be another huge nerf in the designt process.
Anyway, thanks for your work and your open communication.
Yeah, but IMHO many of us thought originally that missing spells were just az implementation bug not a questionable design choice. IIRC the UA class also stated that Artificer is backward compatible, so older, not updated spells are available for the class.
The new Eldritch Cannon has not kept the ability to track HP unlike the 2014 version.
Regarding the Artificer Expanded Spells List. I guess I'm just confused about why spells like Booming Blade (and the rest of those now added) have now been (rightfully, IMO) recognised as a bug already when they were missing and have since been added, whereas spells like Absorb Elements (and the rest of those not added) have not...
I mean, Booming Blade (and others) originally appeared in SCAG in 2015, it did not appear in E:RftLW in 2019 but it did appear later in TCoE in 2020. SCAG obviously doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. E:RftLW doesn't call out Booming Blade as an Artificer Spell. Booming Blade wasn't added to the Artificer Spell List until TCoE and hasn't been mentioned as an Artificer Spell anywhere else.
Absorb Elements (and others) originally appeared in EEPC / PotA in 2015, it also appears in XGtE in 2017, and E:RftLW in 2019, and TCoE in 2020. EEPC and PotA obviously doesn't call out Absorb Elements as an Artificer Spell as the Artificer didn't exist then. Likewise, XGtE doesn't either for the same reason. Unlike Booming Blade, which was NOT added to the Artificer in E:RftLW in 2019, Absorb Elements WAS added to the Artificer at this point. It also appears for Artificers in TCoE in 2020.
What is it about Booming Blade that passed the "We should add this to the list now" check, but Absorb Elements didn't pass the same check? Where is Booming Blade mentioned as an Artificer Spell outside of TCoE? The only difference I'm seeing is that Booming Blade (and others) originated in SCAG and were not added to XGtE or to E:RftLW, but were added to TCoE, whereas Absorb Elements (and others) originated in EEPC / PotA and were added to XGtE, and to E:RtLW, and to TCoE.
I am aware we are now waiting on the Devs to respond after the holidays, so I'm not expecting any turnaround this weekend, I'm just confused about the criteria for determining that Booming Blade's omission was in fact an error, but Absorb Elements omission was not...
If you are in a pinch and need it fast. Create a home brew magic item (ring) and add the ability to cast X Spell. Subtract 1 from the list known/prepared on your Artificer so one open slot isn’t being used to keep it fair. Equip Homebrew item. Cast that spell from item on D&D beyond sheet. I did a “2024 Artificer Spell Ring” when I was testing the UA Artificer in my current campaign.
The difference is that Booming Blade was reprinted in TCE, but Absorb Elements was not. The section on artificers does reference the spell, but only points to XGE for a description. Whether or not that is a good reason for their current decision, I don't know, but there is a difference.
Wouldn't it just be easier to homebrew a copy of the spell itself and then add the new artificer as an available class?
If that is the reason, then that's a bad reason. Both spells were originally printed in 2015 (different sources), one just happens to be reprinted in 2017 and then simply referenced in 2020, and that's not added to the new Artificer Spell List, whereas the other happened to be not reprinted or referenced in 2017, but later reprinted in 2020, and that is added to the new Artificer Spell List?
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the Devs say, but if that's the logic, then it makes no sense and I'll just have to homebrew the spells onto the 2024 Artificer Spell List myself.
Even easier, create a Homebrew Spell based on the spell missing from the new Artificer (such as Absorb Elements) and add it to the 2024 Artificer Spell List, then simply allow Homebrew in the Character Creator.
Potent Dragonmark is missing Mark of Making as a prerequisite option. Spells do not change to prepared.
None of the spells from the Elemental Evil Player's Guide are available for the new Artificer unless they were reprinted in a different book. For example, I cannot add Catapult or Pyrotechnics, but I can add Booming Blade and Ice Knife. They are still available for the legacy version of the Artificer.
There’s been an extensive discussion of this issue in this thread; if you scroll back you can see the details. The gist of the current situation is that we won’t see any changes until after the holiday weekend, when the devs will have a chance to evaluate the issue.
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To restate what's already been stated repeatedly for those who refuse to read earlier posts:
When the Artificer class was released in ERftLW, it was released with a base spell list. This set the basis of what spells are Artificer spells for the 2014 Artificer. It called on a set of 15 spells that were printed in XGtE (many of which were also in EEPC, but that's not relevant). This list was the Artificer's equivalent to the base lists printed in the PHB for the other classes.
When other books came out and added spells to the Artificer (TCoE, FToD, SAiS, and SaCoC), those spells explicitly make themselves additional class spells. This isn't based on the class spell list, it's based on a new source adding spells to the list. So those spells are considered Artificer spells independently of the class spell list.
Now, the base class spell list is updated with the release of the 2024 Artificer. Any spells that it doesn't call on that were part of the base spell list are not Artificer spells from a RAW reading of the rules. Any that add themselves to the class spell list are. For an example, Vortex Warp was brought up before, and just as it's still a Wizard spell on 2024 Wizard, it's still an Artificer spell.
This has unfortunate results for the 15 spells printed in Xanathar's because they were part of the base spell list. It's possible this was unintended, but until the answer of intent is certain, that's how the rules fall as written.
Now, until we get an official answer on the intent, can we PLEASE let this rest and leave the thread free for ACTUAL bug reports? Y'all are cluttering a bug report thread with how you feel about this. Make your own thread if you want to discuss how you feel about it.