The Pugilist Class - Issues and Support Thread

Quote from WelchDragonOfDestruction >>

It is being shared with me

 are you trying to make a pugilist character within the campaign that it's shared in, or are you trying to make it outside of the campaign? Shared materials are only available in the character builder within the campaign that they're shared in.

Fisticuffs states that improvised weapons have the same mastery property and that you have gained mastery over simple weapons and improvised weapons but neither proficiency for or mastery of are indicated on the character sheet. I'm wondering if I'm just reading this wrong or is it bugged?

Also is there a way to indicate using an improvised weapon in the character builder?

The Club of Unconsciousness thing is still broken for me.

i second this. I do not see them yet.

EDIT: i was replying to a message that said that they are still unable to select the new weapons' weapon masteries.

Basically: i can't seem to find the new weapon masteries anywhere, am i missing something?

The 6th level "Deal with the Devil" feature for Hand of Dread. Is not actually applying the spell to the spell list for you to read/see its effects

Quote from SimoneSpinozzi >>

i second this. I do not see them yet.

EDIT: i was replying to a message that said that they are still unable to select the new weapons' weapon masteries.

 

Basically: i can't seem to find the new weapon masteries anywhere, am i missing something?

 

 I have just run into the same issue. The pugilist weapons do not show up as options in the weapon mastery features of other classes, with or without multi-classing.

I was double checking something. The pugilist fisticuff features should interact with the beast path barbarian, since it is explicitly stated those attacks are simple weapons as well as natural weapons, it currently does not interact with them

When you enter your rage, you can transform, revealing the bestial power within you. Until the rage ends, you manifest a natural weapon. It counts as a simple melee weapon for you, and you add your Strength modifier to the attack and damage rolls when you attack with it, as normal.

Could you potentially go further off the rails with this? The text reads:

Level 1: Iron Chin

While you are wearing Light or no armor and not wielding a Shield, your base Armor Class equals 12 plus your Constitution modifier.

So shouldn't you be able to go further with equipping light armor by also getting the additional stack of adding your DEX modifier to the AC? Or does something like "Armor Class" simply override the effects of what armor you equip? 

I do also acknowledge that Pugilist kind of wants to be hit, in addition that the values could make a Pugilist near impossible to kill early on, but feasible right?

Quote from SYOTOSSpartan >>

Could you potentially go further off the rails with this? The text reads:

Level 1: Iron Chin

While you are wearing Light or no armor and not wielding a Shield, your base Armor Class equals 12 plus your Constitution modifier.

So shouldn't you be able to go further with equipping light armor by also getting the additional stack of adding your DEX modifier to the AC? Or does something like "Armor Class" simply override the effects of what armor you equip? 

I do also acknowledge that Pugilist kind of wants to be hit, in addition that the values could make a Pugilist near impossible to kill early on, but feasible right?

Light armor doesn't "add your Dexterity modifier to your AC". It gives you a way to calculate your base AC that usually includes your Dexterity modifier. Iron Chin gives you a different way to calculate your base AC. If you have multiple ways to calculate your base AC, you choose which one to use; they don't interact or combine in any way.

Quote from wagnarokkr >>

Quote from SYOTOSSpartan >>

Could you potentially go further off the rails with this? The text reads:

Level 1: Iron Chin

While you are wearing Light or no armor and not wielding a Shield, your base Armor Class equals 12 plus your Constitution modifier.

So shouldn't you be able to go further with equipping light armor by also getting the additional stack of adding your DEX modifier to the AC? Or does something like "Armor Class" simply override the effects of what armor you equip? 

I do also acknowledge that Pugilist kind of wants to be hit, in addition that the values could make a Pugilist near impossible to kill early on, but feasible right?

Light armor doesn't "add your Dexterity modifier to your AC". It gives you a way to calculate your base AC that usually includes your Dexterity modifier. Iron Chin gives you a different way to calculate your base AC. If you have multiple ways to calculate your base AC, you choose which one to use; they don't interact or combine in any way.

 The add onto this to prevent further confusion; There is a very distinct and important difference between an AC "bonus" and "setting" your AC. It's the same reason you can't stack the Unarmored Defense of Bard and Barbarian, and it's the same reason why Bladesinger is absolutely wild.