Potent Dragonmark and Spell Preparation. (Eberron: Forge of the Artificer)

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I don't see any wording that limits the feats to adding the spells to a single Spellcasting feature or class so I would argue that if you multi class, it adds it to all of the specified features and that they are like wise always prepared under those features.

Spell slots are not class specific, but Pact Magic slots are, so I would count the Potent Dragonmark free slot as a regular spell slot but not as a Pact Magic slot.

 Pact Magic slots are not class specific, either.  If you're a Warlock/Sorceror, you can cast Warlock spells with your regular spell slots, and Sorceror spells with your Warlock spell slots.  (And indeed, you can even turn Warlock spell slots into Sorceror Points).

The only difference between Pact Magic and other slots is you don't add your Warlock levels to your other spellcasting levels and determine a joint spell slot set from that total, the number of Warlock slots are determined solely by your Warlock level.

I think what Lia_Black meant (correct me if I am wrong) is that when you multiclass, the classes with the Spellcasting feature combine to create your spell slots available per the Multiclass table. Pact Magic remains separate. Yes, you can use the any slots to cast any spell, but Pact Magic slots do remain independent.

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Dragonmark Stuff Combined:  You always have the spells on your Spells of the Mark list prepared --- (NOTE: unlike other feats, here we don't have "You can also cast these spells using spell slots you have of the appropriate level") 

 

I don't think that text is actually necessary in 2024. If a spell is prepared, you can cast it with slots you have of the appropriate level. I think existing Feats mention it as hold overs from 2014 or to reinforce the change from 2014. However, the requirement to cast a level 1+ spell is that you need to have it prepared and have an appropriate spell slot available. There's not really any other requirement that I can think of.

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I think what Lia_Black meant (correct me if I am wrong) is that when you multiclass, the classes with the Spellcasting feature combine to create your spell slots available per the Multiclass table. Pact Magic remains separate. Yes, you can use the any slots to cast any spell, but Pact Magic slots do remain independent.

 This is correct. 

Edit: Also there are features that specifically call out the use of Pact Slots (Eldritch Smite), though Potent Dragonmark states that it can only be used for the Dragonmark Spells so it doesn't really impact the discussion.

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Dragonmark Stuff Combined:  You always have the spells on your Spells of the Mark list prepared --- (NOTE: unlike other feats, here we don't have "You can also cast these spells using spell slots you have of the appropriate level")  

I don't think that text is actually necessary in 2024. If a spell is prepared, you can cast it with slots you have of the appropriate level. I think existing Feats mention it as hold overs from 2014 or to reinforce the change from 2014. However, the requirement to cast a level 1+ spell is that you need to have it prepared and have an appropriate spell slot available. There's not really any other requirement that I can think of.

 I'm not totally sure about this, honestly. If that wording appears in traits and feats, it must be there for a reason.

Or maybe not, and it's like you're saying.

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Dragonmark Stuff Combined:  You always have the spells on your Spells of the Mark list prepared --- (NOTE: unlike other feats, here we don't have "You can also cast these spells using spell slots you have of the appropriate level")  

I don't think that text is actually necessary in 2024. If a spell is prepared, you can cast it with slots you have of the appropriate level. I think existing Feats mention it as hold overs from 2014 or to reinforce the change from 2014. However, the requirement to cast a level 1+ spell is that you need to have it prepared and have an appropriate spell slot available. There's not really any other requirement that I can think of.

 I'm not totally sure about this, honestly. If that wording appears in traits and feats, it must be there for a reason.

Or maybe not, and it's like you're saying.

 They are added to the class's spellcasting feature so the ability to cast it with your other slots comes from the class's existing feature.

Note: No other feat adds the given spells to your class thus the reason the verbage for slots is required. 

Just writing out your ruling to see if I'm understanding all of you correctly after reading the last posts:

- When you take Potent Dragonmark, all Spells of the Mark (e.g. Mark of Storm Spells) are prepared for all your classes.

- You can cast any of those spells using your own slots, and you choose which Spellcasting Ability to use (if you have more than one) whenever you cast them.

- Additionally, you can cast any of those spells using the free spell slot provided by Potent Dragonmark (half your level (round up), to a maximum of level 5), and you choose which Spellcasting Ability to use (if you have more than one) whenever you cast them.

Can you turn the potent mark spell slot into Sorcery points using Font of Magic?

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Can you turn the potent mark spell slot into Sorcery points using Font of Magic?

 IMO, it's ok.

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Can you turn the potent mark spell slot into Sorcery points using Font of Magic?

I agree with TarodNet — I don't see anything in the rules for either feature saying you can't do that.

There's a potential abuse case in turning it into sorcery points and then immediately turning those back into an unrestricted spell slot, but the lopsided exchange rate between spell slots and sorcery points means that's a bad bet most of the time, so I don't think it's really an issue in practice.

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Can you turn the potent mark spell slot into Sorcery points using Font of Magic?

I am going to say that it's iffy. Potent Dragonmark says "You can use this spell slot to cast only a spell you have prepared because of your Dragonmark feat or the Dragonmark Preparation benefit of this feat."

The placement of "only" is awkward, but I think that it means that only use of the spell slot is to cast Dragonmark spells. If had said "You can only use this spell slot", it would definitely not be allowed. However, because it says to "to cast only a spell", this can be taken to mean that when used to cast a spell, you can only cast these spells, but it can also be read as you can only use it to cast a spell and only these spells.

I would personally lean towards it's not allowed.

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Can you turn the potent mark spell slot into Sorcery points using Font of Magic?

I am going to say that it's iffy. Potent Dragonmark says "You can use this spell slot to cast only a spell you have prepared because of your Dragonmark feat or the Dragonmark Preparation benefit of this feat."

The placement of "only" is awkward, but I think that it means that only use of the spell slot is to cast Dragonmark spells. If had said "You can only use this spell slot", it would definitely not be allowed. However, because it says to "to cast only a spell", this can be taken to mean that when used to cast a spell, you can only cast these spells, but it can also be read as you can only use it to cast a spell and only these spells.

I would personally lean towards it's not allowed.

 But why does that take precedence over the Level 2: Font of Magic feature? I mean, they're equally potent (pun intended). To me, one is not more specific than the other.

Converting Spell Slots to Sorcery Points. You can expend a spell slot to gain a number of Sorcery Points equal to the slot’s level (no action required).

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Can you turn the potent mark spell slot into Sorcery points using Font of Magic?

I am going to say that it's iffy. Potent Dragonmark says "You can use this spell slot to cast only a spell you have prepared because of your Dragonmark feat or the Dragonmark Preparation benefit of this feat."

The placement of "only" is awkward, but I think that it means that only use of the spell slot is to cast Dragonmark spells. If had said "You can only use this spell slot", it would definitely not be allowed. However, because it says to "to cast only a spell", this can be taken to mean that when used to cast a spell, you can only cast these spells, but it can also be read as you can only use it to cast a spell and only these spells.

I would personally lean towards it's not allowed.

 But why does that take precedence over the Level 2: Font of Magic feature? I mean, they're equally potent (pun intended). To me, one is not more specific than the other.

Converting Spell Slots to Sorcery Points. You can expend a spell slot to gain a number of Sorcery Points equal to the slot’s level (no action required).

I can see that argument. I guess you wind up with a spell slot that:

• You can expend to gain a number of Sorcery Points equal to the slot's level
• You can use to cast only dragonmark spells

Font of Magic doesn't remove the restriction on how you can use the slot, so it still comes down to whether the restriction is the spells you can cast when you cast a spell or what you can do with the spell slot at all.

The question applies to any effect that requires expending a spell slot, like Eldritch Smite, Wild Resurgence, or Hat of Many Spells (which, unlike Font of Magic, would mostly delete the restriction on the spell slot).

I would still lean towards it's not allowed.

I fully understand your POV, and I would agree that it is a valid ruling as well.

It's just that I think Font of Magic can override Potent Dragonmark. I also think the opposite could be true. So it's a tie, and for this reason, I think it's equally valid to rule that the interaction is allowed.