Well, the Prismatic Wall is only 1 inch thick, so everything inside of the wall/sphere would be normal as it is hollow; though seeing as the sphere is only a 15 foot radius, any creature that isn't designated as protected would still suffer the effects of the Constitution saving throw to avoid blindness.
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Right. The problem is whether or not dimension the creature still basses through the wall via dimension door or whether one of the layers would prevent the spell from working at all.
As far as I can tell there is no explanation for how teleportation works in 5th edition. Based on responses elsewhere most people seem to view it as the layer which prevents spells passing through would prevent dimension door from working.
The next most held opinion is that the spell works wihtout issue (but I think this requires information from previous editions).
It seems like there isn't enough information as to how dimension door works ( and teleportation spells in general) to determine what should happen.
As far as I can tell there is no explanation for how teleportation works in 5th edition. Based on responses elsewhere most people seem to view it as the layer which prevents spells passing through would prevent dimension door from working.
The next most held opinion is that the spell works wihtout issue (but I think this requires information from previous editions).
It seems like there isn't enough information as to how dimension door works ( and teleportation spells in general) to determine what should happen.
It really depends on the spell.
The primary target for Dimension Door is the point you'll be teleporting to. You can tell this is the case because of its range; a spell's target always has to be within the spell's range. You can't Dimension Door through total cover because you can't target something behind total cover. I'd rule similarly to the point of origin for area spells and say you end up teleporting next to the wall or obstacle.
In the particular case of Prismatic Wall, it doesn't provide cover per se (though the red and orange layers have a similar effect), the indigo layer prevents spells from being cast through it so it would stop Dimension Door anyways.
However the destination clearly isn't a target for Misty Step (Range: Self) or Teleport (10 feet). These would let you teleport through just fine.
Another option is to bypass the wall using the Ethereal Plane.
Dimension Door does not require you to be able to see the destination so you could easily teleport beyond full cover.
It can be a place you can see, one you can visualize, or one you can describe by stating distance and direction, such as "200 feet straight downward" or "upward to the northwest at a 45- degree angle, 300 feet."
Misty Step requires that you see your destination and since you can't see through a Prismatic Wall you can't Misty Step to the other side.
Dimension Door does not require you to be able to see the destination so you could easily teleport beyond full cover.
It can be a place you can see, one you can visualize, or one you can describe by stating distance and direction, such as "200 feet straight downward" or "upward to the northwest at a 45- degree angle, 300 feet."
Misty Step requires that you see your destination and since you can't see through a Prismatic Wall you can't Misty Step to the other side.
Good catch, after re-reading Dimension Door it's obvious is targeting bypasses cover since it accounts for the possibility of targeting an occupied space. Also forgot Prismatic Wall is opaque. Was thinking of Wall of Force, which is transparent.
That's the best analysis I've seen as to how Dimension Door and Prismatic Wall intersect - since the target is behind the wall, and you can't cast anything through the wall, you can't Dimension Door past the wall.
However, that also makes me think that Dimension Door's range may be in error, since it's not consistent with the other teleportation spells.
There are teleportation spells in which the description says clearly that you must see the destination (Misty step). Also if a layer of some kind (physical or magical) blocked a teleportation spell, the spell description would say so. Dimension Door does require only description of direction and distance and Prismatic Wall does not block teleportation spell. So, yes you can use Dimnesion Door to get inside a Prismatic Wall.
Ok, the following is my interpretation of the mechanics of spells and it could be wrong of course, but here it is:
A spell is a particular magical effect with its point of origin and it area of effect. The spell is, hence, active from its point of origin to tis entire area of effect. The spell Dimension Door has its point of origin within 500 feet from the spellcaster and the area of effect stops at the point of origin itself. It does not originate on the spellcaster, otherwise the range would be "Self". So, Dimension Door is cast with its point of origin beyond a Prismatic Wall. Dimension door does not pass trough the prismatic wall, because the point of origin (and the area of effect) is beyond the wall.
That's why I think Dimension Door can bypass Prismatic Wall.
Yeah I would say the teleportation spells bypass the indigo layer and therefore would work. However I can also see the case being made the magical energies or whatever would need to pass through the spell and they can't.
Basically I'm not sure the rules grant enough information.
I am of the opinion that the layer wich blocks magic prevents any teleportation or dimension door spell-like ability to cross it and enter the space inside the sphere or behind the wall.
But I think that this is open of each GM interpetration.
If you want to introduce some "power fighting" maybe a contested roll between the magic abilities of the two spellcasters, or a roll form the caster trying to enter against the spell ability of the caster of the Wall.
But does the spell cross it? From what I've heard in older editions you traveled on the astral plane to the new location, thus you wouldn't actually cross the layer, but avoid it completely. 5th of course doesn't seem to convey this same notion and therefore might prevent teleportation.
This depends on whether or not the spell crosses the layers, and of course if the spell hits the indigo layer, would that likewise imply it hit all the other layers prior and thus the subject would take damage.
I always stated that even in the astral plane you find a barrier where the prismatic wall is, so the one who were trying to cross it should "fight" against the one who casted it.
But then again, that's up to you, do whatever you fell is right. Not all the answeres are in the rules, no matter the edition. ;)
Since dimension door teleports you to a demiplane and then places you at your desired destination, it technically doesn't pass through the prismatic wall, so it would work. At least that's how I would rule it. Doesn't mean you've bypassed the effects of the prismatic wall/sphere, but now you're inside. Except now you're inside with a caster who has access to very high level spells and you're probably blind.
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So what happens when you dimension door to a space inside a prismatic sphere?
Well, the Prismatic Wall is only 1 inch thick, so everything inside of the wall/sphere would be normal as it is hollow; though seeing as the sphere is only a 15 foot radius, any creature that isn't designated as protected would still suffer the effects of the Constitution saving throw to avoid blindness.
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Right. The problem is whether or not dimension the creature still basses through the wall via dimension door or whether one of the layers would prevent the spell from working at all.
None of the layers appear to block teleportation.
Dimension Door does not require you to be able to see the destination so you could easily teleport beyond full cover.
It can be a place you can see, one you can visualize, or one you can describe by stating distance and direction, such as "200 feet straight downward" or "upward to the northwest at a 45- degree angle, 300 feet."
Misty Step requires that you see your destination and since you can't see through a Prismatic Wall you can't Misty Step to the other side.
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That's the best analysis I've seen as to how Dimension Door and Prismatic Wall intersect - since the target is behind the wall, and you can't cast anything through the wall, you can't Dimension Door past the wall.
However, that also makes me think that Dimension Door's range may be in error, since it's not consistent with the other teleportation spells.
There are teleportation spells in which the description says clearly that you must see the destination (Misty step). Also if a layer of some kind (physical or magical) blocked a teleportation spell, the spell description would say so. Dimension Door does require only description of direction and distance and Prismatic Wall does not block teleportation spell. So, yes you can use Dimnesion Door to get inside a Prismatic Wall.
The question is, does the Indigo layer prevent the dimension door from being cast to a point within the prismatic sphere.
The Indigo layer does block spells. Question is whether or not it blocks teleportation spells.
Ok, the following is my interpretation of the mechanics of spells and it could be wrong of course, but here it is:
A spell is a particular magical effect with its point of origin and it area of effect. The spell is, hence, active from its point of origin to tis entire area of effect. The spell Dimension Door has its point of origin within 500 feet from the spellcaster and the area of effect stops at the point of origin itself. It does not originate on the spellcaster, otherwise the range would be "Self". So, Dimension Door is cast with its point of origin beyond a Prismatic Wall. Dimension door does not pass trough the prismatic wall, because the point of origin (and the area of effect) is beyond the wall.
That's why I think Dimension Door can bypass Prismatic Wall.
Yeah I would say the teleportation spells bypass the indigo layer and therefore would work. However I can also see the case being made the magical energies or whatever would need to pass through the spell and they can't.
Basically I'm not sure the rules grant enough information.
Well, the rules do not say anything about the magical energy has to make a clear path from the spellcaster to the point of origin.
But, in the end, it is up to the DM to decide how a spell is being created.
Not to derail the thread, but this brings up a related question for me. Can one teleport into a Cube of Force?
I am of the opinion that the layer wich blocks magic prevents any teleportation or dimension door spell-like ability to cross it and enter the space inside the sphere or behind the wall.
But I think that this is open of each GM interpetration.
If you want to introduce some "power fighting" maybe a contested roll between the magic abilities of the two spellcasters, or a roll form the caster trying to enter against the spell ability of the caster of the Wall.
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But does the spell cross it? From what I've heard in older editions you traveled on the astral plane to the new location, thus you wouldn't actually cross the layer, but avoid it completely. 5th of course doesn't seem to convey this same notion and therefore might prevent teleportation.
This depends on whether or not the spell crosses the layers, and of course if the spell hits the indigo layer, would that likewise imply it hit all the other layers prior and thus the subject would take damage.
I always stated that even in the astral plane you find a barrier where the prismatic wall is, so the one who were trying to cross it should "fight" against the one who casted it.
But then again, that's up to you, do whatever you fell is right. Not all the answeres are in the rules, no matter the edition. ;)
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Since dimension door teleports you to a demiplane and then places you at your desired destination, it technically doesn't pass through the prismatic wall, so it would work. At least that's how I would rule it. Doesn't mean you've bypassed the effects of the prismatic wall/sphere, but now you're inside. Except now you're inside with a caster who has access to very high level spells and you're probably blind.