I have not seen anything written that my 30 foot of movement is not flying.
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Some of the posts on here suggest that Xanathar's is where the falling rules have been changed to say immediate but I can't help wonder how it would be handled if they weren't... I never thought of doing anything when I was told a fall was taking place, I always thought you couldn't do anything except maybe cast feather fall if you had the spell.
Handle it by DM judgment. How far is the character falling? How much time would the character have before they hit the ground?
Going by Xanathar rules, can you imagine how many miles the Shits Vox Machina would have had to have been falling during the time this was going on?
Some of the posts on here suggest that Xanathar's is where the falling rules have been changed to say immediate but I can't help wonder how it would be handled if they weren't... I never thought of doing anything when I was told a fall was taking place, I always thought you couldn't do anything except maybe cast feather fall if you had the spell.
Handle it by DM judgment. How far is the character falling? How much time would the character have before they hit the ground?
Going by Xanathar rules, can you imagine how many miles the Shits Vox Machina would have had to have been falling during the time this was going on?
This is the first time I've seen them pre-studio gaming. This is awesome!
Yeah, if there is an object or total cover between you and your destination that blocks you from seeing where you want to misty step then you can't... but bypassing a window you can see through is allowed as far as I can tell.
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"A rightful place awaits you in the Realms Above, in the Land of the Great Light. Come in peace, and live beneath the sun again, where trees and flowers grow."
— The message of Eilistraee to all decent drow.
"Run thy sword across my chains, Silver Lady, that I may join your dance.”
Random Finding: I was bored so looked around to see if Jeremy Crawford had ever been asked some similar questions to fall/reaction/bonus action in regards to Misty Step.
Question: "I'm sure someone has asked this but I couldn't find a definitive solution. Can you cast feather fall in time with 1 reaction, considering the "Xanathar's guide" rules on falling, where you fall 500ft immediately." JC Answer: "Feather fall, like many things in D&D, creates an exception: it lets you cast a spell as a reaction to slow someone's fall. If a spell or other exceptional thing in the game says it does something, that's what it does. Also, any rule in "Xanathar's Guide" is optional."
Question: "can you ready a bonus action? Like misty step?" JC answer: "A bonus action can be taken only on your turn. You, therefore, can't use Ready with a bonus action."
JCs answer is right for the wrong reason. You can’t ready a Bonus Action spell, because the Ready section specifically says so:
“When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and holding onto the spell's magic requires concentration (explained in chapter 10).”
Not being able to use a Bonus Action on someone else’s turn has nothing to do with it, because Ready turns a Move or Action into a Reaction. His answer is bizarre, but I suppose even a broken clock...
Yeah, the Arcane Trickster in my game wanted to do something similar but I allowed it to go as far as the edge of the rooftop because that is what she could see. At the time she was being chased by the city watch and wanted a quick escape so once she * bamf * to the roof I made the city watch do a perception check to determine if they could figure out where she went since their focus was looking straight or down during the chase.
Just like the conversations around Melf's Minute Meteors, I would rule that Misty Step does not target only you; it targets the unoccupied square you are teleporting to. So no, it would not work. You still need line of effect. Lots of people will disagree. Whatever...
- totally agree that since misty step targets self, and states a point you can see, that you can go through windows, walls, etc provided you can see where you're going... and I just thought of trying that with clairvoyance
- obviously you can rule conservation of momentum however you want, but it's heavily implied that momentum is conserved when you teleport by the simple fact that the planet doesn't immediately smack you at 70,000 miles per hour from moving in its orbit while you just stopped in space.
- it doesn't matter if you allow someone to ready a misty step to prevent a fall if you miss rather than just casting misty step during your jump because readying a spell expends the spell slot whether or not you use the spell, so at the end, you make it across and are down a spell slot, regardless of how you got there.
- 500 feet per turn is actually very generous as in the first 6 seconds of a fall an object will fall 580ish feet; in the second 6 seconds it will fall 1,740ish feet. I get it's a little absurd to say you instantly drop 500 feet, then hover there for 6 seconds, then instantly drop another 500 feet, buuut, who actually wants to do the calculus to know precisely where and how fast you are at at the moment you could take an action or bonus action during that? My thought is just figure out what makes sense for you. The only reason rules are there is so that everyone can reasonably understand what will happen when they do certain things. I will say if you assume a bonus action takes 3 seconds, you're already 140 feet down in your fall though, so again, it probably doesn't matter since misty step will only move you 30 feet. To make it work, a character would have to realize what's happening and fully cast misty step in less than 1.3 seconds.
- DND is 100% a simulation. A simulation is just a simplified version of reality to figure out what will happen. If a simulation matched reality exactly, then you're just doing it in real life because nothing can account for everything.
- it doesn't matter if you allow someone to ready a misty step to prevent a fall if you miss rather than just casting misty step during your jump because readying a spell expends the spell slot whether or not you use the spell, so at the end, you make it across and are down a spell slot, regardless of how you got there.
Misty Step isn't a good fit for what you want to do. A Bonus Action isn't a Reaction and thus can't be cast while you are falling (it would be at the end of the fall). And the rules for readying doesn't allow for BA spells to be readied (though I could see a DM changing that).
not what I want to do. Was saying the argument over whether people should fudge allowing readying misty step is pointless since the outcome is the same either way. I'm literally saying there's no reason to do that.
Let's have some fun with math. It's 556 miles from Texarkana to Atlanta. That's 2,935,680 feet. Misty Step only goes 30 feet. So Snowball would need to make 97,856 Misty Steps to make the run. One casting per round, that's about 163 hours. Dimension Door, on the other hand, takes you 500 feet. So Snowball would only need to cast that 5,872 times to make the run. That would only take him 9 hours and 47 minutes.
Sure, Snowball could have made the run in just one round with Teleport, but we don't know for certain if he had ever been to the Atlanta Fairgrounds before. Maybe he's only heard about it and seen some photos. That might only qualify him as "Seen Casually". So maybe he earns $80,000 for six seconds of work, but there's only a 47% chance of success. There's also a 33% chance of a mishap.
Why risk it? Stick with Dimension door. $80,000 for less of ten hours of work is fair. Or $40,000 if he's splittin' it with Bandit. Still pretty good.
Let's have some fun with math. It's 556 miles from Texarkana to Atlanta. That's 2,935,680 feet. Misty Step only goes 30 feet. So Snowball would need to make 97,856 Misty Steps to make the run. One casting per round, that's about 163 hours. Dimension Door, on the other hand, takes you 500 feet. So Snowball would only need to cast that 5,872 times to make the run. That would only take him 9 hours and 47 minutes.
If you're gonna math then you should math correctly.
It wouldn't take about 10 hours to Dimension Door there, it would actually take about 490 days (5,872/12). You could of course load up on Spell Scrolls to help out but at 1k each that would mean close to a 6 million cost in Gold and that might somewhat eat into that 80k profit, but then again I'm not entirely sure on the exchange rate of USD to FGP (Faerun Gold Pieces).
IMHO risking it with a Teleport seems the better choice.
Let's have some fun with math. It's 556 miles from Texarkana to Atlanta. That's 2,935,680 feet. Misty Step only goes 30 feet. So Snowball would need to make 97,856 Misty Steps to make the run. One casting per round, that's about 163 hours. Dimension Door, on the other hand, takes you 500 feet. So Snowball would only need to cast that 5,872 times to make the run. That would only take him 9 hours and 47 minutes.
Sure, Snowball could have made the run in just one round with Teleport, but we don't know for certain if he had ever been to the Atlanta Fairgrounds before. Maybe he's only heard about it and seen some photos. That might only qualify him as "Seen Casually". So maybe he earns $80,000 for six seconds of work, but there's only a 47% chance of success. There's also a 33% chance of a mishap.
Why risk it? Stick with Dimension door. $80,000 for less of ten hours of work is fair. Or $40,000 if he's splittin' it with Bandit. Still pretty good.
Keep in mind that even Dimension Door would require a spell slot per cast.
A 24-pack of longnecks is 15.9 x 10.3 x 10.3 inches. A standard pallet is 40 x 48 inches. So you can fit 10 cases per layer, and you won't want to go more than 4 layers high. So 400 cases, divided by 40 cases per pallet, is 10 pallets. Snowball's Kenworth was pulling a 48 foot Hobbs trailer which can stock twice that many pallets without stacking!
So I'm just sayin'... there was plenty of room for scrolls.
A 24-pack of longnecks is 15.9 x 10.3 x 10.3 inches. A standard pallet is 40 x 48 inches. So you can fit 10 cases per layer, and you won't want to go more than 4 layers high. So 400 cases, divided by 40 cases per pallet, is 10 pallets. Snowball's Kenworth was pulling a 48 foot Hobbs trailer which can stock twice that many pallets without stacking!
So I'm just sayin'... there was plenty of room for scrolls.
Lots of scrolls.
It takes far longer to make a new scroll than it does to regen a spell slot. If you assume infinite resources, just assume there are teleportation circles at both your start and end point, especially if travelling between cities.
I have not seen anything written that my 30 foot of movement is not flying.
Handle it by DM judgment. How far is the character falling? How much time would the character have before they hit the ground?
Going by Xanathar rules, can you imagine how many miles
the ShitsVox Machina would have had to have been falling during the time this was going on?"Not all those who wander are lost"
This is the first time I've seen them pre-studio gaming. This is awesome!
Ok, so I CAN Misty Step through a window. Cool.
Yeah, if there is an object or total cover between you and your destination that blocks you from seeing where you want to misty step then you can't... but bypassing a window you can see through is allowed as far as I can tell.
Random Finding: I was bored so looked around to see if Jeremy Crawford had ever been asked some similar questions to fall/reaction/bonus action in regards to Misty Step.
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/1128447267466240000
Question: "I'm sure someone has asked this but I couldn't find a definitive solution. Can you cast feather fall in time with 1 reaction, considering the "Xanathar's guide" rules on falling, where you fall 500ft immediately."
JC Answer: "Feather fall, like many things in D&D, creates an exception: it lets you cast a spell as a reaction to slow someone's fall. If a spell or other exceptional thing in the game says it does something, that's what it does. Also, any rule in "Xanathar's Guide" is optional."
https://twitter.com/JeremyECrawford/status/779375456927690753
Question: "can you ready a bonus action? Like misty step?"
JC answer: "A bonus action can be taken only on your turn. You, therefore, can't use Ready with a bonus action."
JCs answer is right for the wrong reason. You can’t ready a Bonus Action spell, because the Ready section specifically says so:
“When you ready a spell, you cast it as normal but hold its energy, which you release with your reaction when the trigger occurs. To be readied, a spell must have a casting time of 1 action, and holding onto the spell's magic requires concentration (explained in chapter 10).”
Not being able to use a Bonus Action on someone else’s turn has nothing to do with it, because Ready turns a Move or Action into a Reaction. His answer is bizarre, but I suppose even a broken clock...
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So, read through and didnt find an answer to this one:
Can you Misty Step to a location if it's unoccupied, but not visible?
Example: Can I Misty Step 30' straight up and onto the other side of a roof? The open airspace is definitely unoccupied and I know it.... but
No because the spell specifically says you can only teleport to a location you can see.
You can absolutely do that with Dimension Door though - as that doesn't require sight.
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Figured since one "knows" its an unoccupied space there could be a little loophole, but I totally get it.
You never know until you ask. Thanks.
Yeah, the Arcane Trickster in my game wanted to do something similar but I allowed it to go as far as the edge of the rooftop because that is what she could see. At the time she was being chased by the city watch and wanted a quick escape so once she * bamf * to the roof I made the city watch do a perception check to determine if they could figure out where she went since their focus was looking straight or down during the chase.
Just like the conversations around Melf's Minute Meteors, I would rule that Misty Step does not target only you; it targets the unoccupied square you are teleporting to. So no, it would not work. You still need line of effect. Lots of people will disagree. Whatever...
I get it, super late, but I do have a few takes
- totally agree that since misty step targets self, and states a point you can see, that you can go through windows, walls, etc provided you can see where you're going... and I just thought of trying that with clairvoyance
- obviously you can rule conservation of momentum however you want, but it's heavily implied that momentum is conserved when you teleport by the simple fact that the planet doesn't immediately smack you at 70,000 miles per hour from moving in its orbit while you just stopped in space.
- it doesn't matter if you allow someone to ready a misty step to prevent a fall if you miss rather than just casting misty step during your jump because readying a spell expends the spell slot whether or not you use the spell, so at the end, you make it across and are down a spell slot, regardless of how you got there.
- 500 feet per turn is actually very generous as in the first 6 seconds of a fall an object will fall 580ish feet; in the second 6 seconds it will fall 1,740ish feet. I get it's a little absurd to say you instantly drop 500 feet, then hover there for 6 seconds, then instantly drop another 500 feet, buuut, who actually wants to do the calculus to know precisely where and how fast you are at at the moment you could take an action or bonus action during that? My thought is just figure out what makes sense for you. The only reason rules are there is so that everyone can reasonably understand what will happen when they do certain things. I will say if you assume a bonus action takes 3 seconds, you're already 140 feet down in your fall though, so again, it probably doesn't matter since misty step will only move you 30 feet. To make it work, a character would have to realize what's happening and fully cast misty step in less than 1.3 seconds.
- DND is 100% a simulation. A simulation is just a simplified version of reality to figure out what will happen. If a simulation matched reality exactly, then you're just doing it in real life because nothing can account for everything.
Misty Step isn't a good fit for what you want to do. A Bonus Action isn't a Reaction and thus can't be cast while you are falling (it would be at the end of the fall). And the rules for readying doesn't allow for BA spells to be readied (though I could see a DM changing that).
not what I want to do. Was saying the argument over whether people should fudge allowing readying misty step is pointless since the outcome is the same either way. I'm literally saying there's no reason to do that.
Let's have some fun with math. It's 556 miles from Texarkana to Atlanta. That's 2,935,680 feet. Misty Step only goes 30 feet. So Snowball would need to make 97,856 Misty Steps to make the run. One casting per round, that's about 163 hours. Dimension Door, on the other hand, takes you 500 feet. So Snowball would only need to cast that 5,872 times to make the run. That would only take him 9 hours and 47 minutes.
Sure, Snowball could have made the run in just one round with Teleport, but we don't know for certain if he had ever been to the Atlanta Fairgrounds before. Maybe he's only heard about it and seen some photos. That might only qualify him as "Seen Casually". So maybe he earns $80,000 for six seconds of work, but there's only a 47% chance of success. There's also a 33% chance of a mishap.
Why risk it? Stick with Dimension door. $80,000 for less of ten hours of work is fair. Or $40,000 if he's splittin' it with Bandit. Still pretty good.
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If you're gonna math then you should math correctly.
It wouldn't take about 10 hours to Dimension Door there, it would actually take about 490 days (5,872/12). You could of course load up on Spell Scrolls to help out but at 1k each that would mean close to a 6 million cost in Gold and that might somewhat eat into that 80k profit, but then again I'm not entirely sure on the exchange rate of USD to FGP (Faerun Gold Pieces).
IMHO risking it with a Teleport seems the better choice.
Keep in mind that even Dimension Door would require a spell slot per cast.
Spell slots, Shmell slots!
A 24-pack of longnecks is 15.9 x 10.3 x 10.3 inches. A standard pallet is 40 x 48 inches. So you can fit 10 cases per layer, and you won't want to go more than 4 layers high. So 400 cases, divided by 40 cases per pallet, is 10 pallets. Snowball's Kenworth was pulling a 48 foot Hobbs trailer which can stock twice that many pallets without stacking!
So I'm just sayin'... there was plenty of room for scrolls.
Lots of scrolls.
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Wrangler of cats.
It takes far longer to make a new scroll than it does to regen a spell slot. If you assume infinite resources, just assume there are teleportation circles at both your start and end point, especially if travelling between cities.