- totally agree that since misty step targets self, and states a point you can see, that you can go through windows, walls, etc provided you can see where you're going... and I just thought of trying that with clairvoyance
- obviously you can rule conservation of momentum however you want, but it's heavily implied that momentum is conserved when you teleport by the simple fact that the planet doesn't immediately smack you at 70,000 miles per hour from moving in its orbit while you just stopped in space.
- it doesn't matter if you allow someone to ready a misty step to prevent a fall if you miss rather than just casting misty step during your jump because readying a spell expends the spell slot whether or not you use the spell, so at the end, you make it across and are down a spell slot, regardless of how you got there.
- 500 feet per turn is actually very generous as in the first 6 seconds of a fall an object will fall 580ish feet; in the second 6 seconds it will fall 1,740ish feet. I get it's a little absurd to say you instantly drop 500 feet, then hover there for 6 seconds, then instantly drop another 500 feet, buuut, who actually wants to do the calculus to know precisely where and how fast you are at at the moment you could take an action or bonus action during that? My thought is just figure out what makes sense for you. The only reason rules are there is so that everyone can reasonably understand what will happen when they do certain things. I will say if you assume a bonus action takes 3 seconds, you're already 140 feet down in your fall though, so again, it probably doesn't matter since misty step will only move you 30 feet. To make it work, a character would have to realize what's happening and fully cast misty step in less than 1.3 seconds.
- DND is 100% a simulation. A simulation is just a simplified version of reality to figure out what will happen. If a simulation matched reality exactly, then you're just doing it in real life because nothing can account for everything.
- it doesn't matter if you allow someone to ready a misty step to prevent a fall if you miss rather than just casting misty step during your jump because readying a spell expends the spell slot whether or not you use the spell, so at the end, you make it across and are down a spell slot, regardless of how you got there.
Misty Step isn't a good fit for what you want to do. A Bonus Action isn't a Reaction and thus can't be cast while you are falling (it would be at the end of the fall). And the rules for readying doesn't allow for BA spells to be readied (though I could see a DM changing that).
not what I want to do. Was saying the argument over whether people should fudge allowing readying misty step is pointless since the outcome is the same either way. I'm literally saying there's no reason to do that.
Let's have some fun with math. It's 556 miles from Texarkana to Atlanta. That's 2,935,680 feet. Misty Step only goes 30 feet. So Snowball would need to make 97,856 Misty Steps to make the run. One casting per round, that's about 163 hours. Dimension Door, on the other hand, takes you 500 feet. So Snowball would only need to cast that 5,872 times to make the run. That would only take him 9 hours and 47 minutes.
Sure, Snowball could have made the run in just one round with Teleport, but we don't know for certain if he had ever been to the Atlanta Fairgrounds before. Maybe he's only heard about it and seen some photos. That might only qualify him as "Seen Casually". So maybe he earns $80,000 for six seconds of work, but there's only a 47% chance of success. There's also a 33% chance of a mishap.
Why risk it? Stick with Dimension door. $80,000 for less of ten hours of work is fair. Or $40,000 if he's splittin' it with Bandit. Still pretty good.
Let's have some fun with math. It's 556 miles from Texarkana to Atlanta. That's 2,935,680 feet. Misty Step only goes 30 feet. So Snowball would need to make 97,856 Misty Steps to make the run. One casting per round, that's about 163 hours. Dimension Door, on the other hand, takes you 500 feet. So Snowball would only need to cast that 5,872 times to make the run. That would only take him 9 hours and 47 minutes.
If you're gonna math then you should math correctly.
It wouldn't take about 10 hours to Dimension Door there, it would actually take about 490 days (5,872/12). You could of course load up on Spell Scrolls to help out but at 1k each that would mean close to a 6 million cost in Gold and that might somewhat eat into that 80k profit, but then again I'm not entirely sure on the exchange rate of USD to FGP (Faerun Gold Pieces).
IMHO risking it with a Teleport seems the better choice.
Let's have some fun with math. It's 556 miles from Texarkana to Atlanta. That's 2,935,680 feet. Misty Step only goes 30 feet. So Snowball would need to make 97,856 Misty Steps to make the run. One casting per round, that's about 163 hours. Dimension Door, on the other hand, takes you 500 feet. So Snowball would only need to cast that 5,872 times to make the run. That would only take him 9 hours and 47 minutes.
Sure, Snowball could have made the run in just one round with Teleport, but we don't know for certain if he had ever been to the Atlanta Fairgrounds before. Maybe he's only heard about it and seen some photos. That might only qualify him as "Seen Casually". So maybe he earns $80,000 for six seconds of work, but there's only a 47% chance of success. There's also a 33% chance of a mishap.
Why risk it? Stick with Dimension door. $80,000 for less of ten hours of work is fair. Or $40,000 if he's splittin' it with Bandit. Still pretty good.
Keep in mind that even Dimension Door would require a spell slot per cast.
A 24-pack of longnecks is 15.9 x 10.3 x 10.3 inches. A standard pallet is 40 x 48 inches. So you can fit 10 cases per layer, and you won't want to go more than 4 layers high. So 400 cases, divided by 40 cases per pallet, is 10 pallets. Snowball's Kenworth was pulling a 48 foot Hobbs trailer which can stock twice that many pallets without stacking!
So I'm just sayin'... there was plenty of room for scrolls.
A 24-pack of longnecks is 15.9 x 10.3 x 10.3 inches. A standard pallet is 40 x 48 inches. So you can fit 10 cases per layer, and you won't want to go more than 4 layers high. So 400 cases, divided by 40 cases per pallet, is 10 pallets. Snowball's Kenworth was pulling a 48 foot Hobbs trailer which can stock twice that many pallets without stacking!
So I'm just sayin'... there was plenty of room for scrolls.
Lots of scrolls.
It takes far longer to make a new scroll than it does to regen a spell slot. If you assume infinite resources, just assume there are teleportation circles at both your start and end point, especially if travelling between cities.
Well for sure Atlanta would have a Teleportation Circle. But I'm not so sure about Texarkana. Best bet might be to backtrack three hours to Dallas. There must be a Circle there.
Well for sure Atlanta would have a Teleportation Circle. But I'm not so sure about Texarkana. Best bet might be to backtrack three hours to Dallas. There must be a Circle there.
If you have the resources to have literal wagonloads of dimension door scrolls or misty step scrolls, you have the resources to commission the enchanting of a circle in Texarkana.
Misty step every round is 30' per 6 seconds, or 5' per second, or 18,000 feet per hour, or 3.41 mph (yes, 5e movement speeds are absurdly slow; they should really have kept sprinting from 3e). Dimension Door every round is 56 mph.
Well yeah. Sure. If you've got 50 gp worth of precious-gem-infused-chalk, you could just pay a caster in Texarkana to make you a Teleportation Circle.
But that just means spending more time in Texarkana. And who really wants to do that?
As opposed to the time required to make literal wagonloads of misty step or dimension door scrolls? Which you also just happen to have materials for in Texarkana?
Also, with a teleport circle, you need not fret over any messy questions as to how any intervening glass might affect your travel.
Misty step every round is 30' per 6 seconds, or 5' per second, or 18,000 feet per hour, or 3.41 mph (yes, 5e movement speeds are absurdly slow; they should really have kept sprinting from 3e). Dimension Door every round is 56 mph.
Using the figures from Xanathar's, each spell scroll of Dimension Door would take two weeks to scribe at a cost of 2,500 gp per scroll. That would seem to slow down travel considerably. Misty Step being only 2nd instead of 4th would be only 3 days and 250gp to scribe onto a scroll. Since you would need more than ten times the number of scrolls, though, dimension door would still be the less impractical
It is worth noting that Phantom Steed can be ritual cast and can sustain 13 mph. You would have to take 11 min to resummon each hour, but other than that, it does not have the resource costs issue. And if the steed was equipped with horseshoes of speed, you could sustain 17 mph.
And, you see, Snowball's been running truckloads of bootleg Coors for the Netherese arcanist Oberon for years. And Oberon always payed him in scrolls.
Beer is rather a lot easier to brew in quantity than spell scrolls are to scribe. "Paid in scrolls" does not equal one scroll per flask of beer. And could mean as little as 'paid in promissory notes/paper money'
Hey, whatever business arrangement Snowball had with Oberon is between them. But I suppose a Teleportation Circle would save him from having to stop so often to let Fred the basset hound relieve himself.
Hey, did you know that Smokey & the Bandit was the 2nd highest grossing film of 1977? It only got beat by some space movie.
I get it, super late, but I do have a few takes
- totally agree that since misty step targets self, and states a point you can see, that you can go through windows, walls, etc provided you can see where you're going... and I just thought of trying that with clairvoyance
- obviously you can rule conservation of momentum however you want, but it's heavily implied that momentum is conserved when you teleport by the simple fact that the planet doesn't immediately smack you at 70,000 miles per hour from moving in its orbit while you just stopped in space.
- it doesn't matter if you allow someone to ready a misty step to prevent a fall if you miss rather than just casting misty step during your jump because readying a spell expends the spell slot whether or not you use the spell, so at the end, you make it across and are down a spell slot, regardless of how you got there.
- 500 feet per turn is actually very generous as in the first 6 seconds of a fall an object will fall 580ish feet; in the second 6 seconds it will fall 1,740ish feet. I get it's a little absurd to say you instantly drop 500 feet, then hover there for 6 seconds, then instantly drop another 500 feet, buuut, who actually wants to do the calculus to know precisely where and how fast you are at at the moment you could take an action or bonus action during that? My thought is just figure out what makes sense for you. The only reason rules are there is so that everyone can reasonably understand what will happen when they do certain things. I will say if you assume a bonus action takes 3 seconds, you're already 140 feet down in your fall though, so again, it probably doesn't matter since misty step will only move you 30 feet. To make it work, a character would have to realize what's happening and fully cast misty step in less than 1.3 seconds.
- DND is 100% a simulation. A simulation is just a simplified version of reality to figure out what will happen. If a simulation matched reality exactly, then you're just doing it in real life because nothing can account for everything.
Misty Step isn't a good fit for what you want to do. A Bonus Action isn't a Reaction and thus can't be cast while you are falling (it would be at the end of the fall). And the rules for readying doesn't allow for BA spells to be readied (though I could see a DM changing that).
not what I want to do. Was saying the argument over whether people should fudge allowing readying misty step is pointless since the outcome is the same either way. I'm literally saying there's no reason to do that.
Let's have some fun with math. It's 556 miles from Texarkana to Atlanta. That's 2,935,680 feet. Misty Step only goes 30 feet. So Snowball would need to make 97,856 Misty Steps to make the run. One casting per round, that's about 163 hours. Dimension Door, on the other hand, takes you 500 feet. So Snowball would only need to cast that 5,872 times to make the run. That would only take him 9 hours and 47 minutes.
Sure, Snowball could have made the run in just one round with Teleport, but we don't know for certain if he had ever been to the Atlanta Fairgrounds before. Maybe he's only heard about it and seen some photos. That might only qualify him as "Seen Casually". So maybe he earns $80,000 for six seconds of work, but there's only a 47% chance of success. There's also a 33% chance of a mishap.
Why risk it? Stick with Dimension door. $80,000 for less of ten hours of work is fair. Or $40,000 if he's splittin' it with Bandit. Still pretty good.
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If you're gonna math then you should math correctly.
It wouldn't take about 10 hours to Dimension Door there, it would actually take about 490 days (5,872/12). You could of course load up on Spell Scrolls to help out but at 1k each that would mean close to a 6 million cost in Gold and that might somewhat eat into that 80k profit, but then again I'm not entirely sure on the exchange rate of USD to FGP (Faerun Gold Pieces).
IMHO risking it with a Teleport seems the better choice.
Keep in mind that even Dimension Door would require a spell slot per cast.
Spell slots, Shmell slots!
A 24-pack of longnecks is 15.9 x 10.3 x 10.3 inches. A standard pallet is 40 x 48 inches. So you can fit 10 cases per layer, and you won't want to go more than 4 layers high. So 400 cases, divided by 40 cases per pallet, is 10 pallets. Snowball's Kenworth was pulling a 48 foot Hobbs trailer which can stock twice that many pallets without stacking!
So I'm just sayin'... there was plenty of room for scrolls.
Lots of scrolls.
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Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
It takes far longer to make a new scroll than it does to regen a spell slot. If you assume infinite resources, just assume there are teleportation circles at both your start and end point, especially if travelling between cities.
Well for sure Atlanta would have a Teleportation Circle. But I'm not so sure about Texarkana. Best bet might be to backtrack three hours to Dallas. There must be a Circle there.
Anzio Faro. Protector Aasimar light cleric. Lvl 18.
Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
If you have the resources to have literal wagonloads of dimension door scrolls or misty step scrolls, you have the resources to commission the enchanting of a circle in Texarkana.
Misty step every round is 30' per 6 seconds, or 5' per second, or 18,000 feet per hour, or 3.41 mph (yes, 5e movement speeds are absurdly slow; they should really have kept sprinting from 3e). Dimension Door every round is 56 mph.
Well yeah. Sure. If you've got 50 gp worth of precious-gem-infused-chalk, you could just pay a caster in Texarkana to make you a Teleportation Circle.
But that just means spending more time in Texarkana. And who really wants to do that?
Anzio Faro. Protector Aasimar light cleric. Lvl 18.
Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
As opposed to the time required to make literal wagonloads of misty step or dimension door scrolls? Which you also just happen to have materials for in Texarkana?
Also, with a teleport circle, you need not fret over any messy questions as to how any intervening glass might affect your travel.
Not "wagonloads". Just the one wagonload.
And, you see, Snowball's been running truckloads of bootleg Coors for the Netherese arcanist Oberon for years. And Oberon always payed him in scrolls.
Anzio Faro. Protector Aasimar light cleric. Lvl 18.
Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.
Using the figures from Xanathar's, each spell scroll of Dimension Door would take two weeks to scribe at a cost of 2,500 gp per scroll. That would seem to slow down travel considerably. Misty Step being only 2nd instead of 4th would be only 3 days and 250gp to scribe onto a scroll. Since you would need more than ten times the number of scrolls, though, dimension door would still be the less impractical
It is worth noting that Phantom Steed can be ritual cast and can sustain 13 mph. You would have to take 11 min to resummon each hour, but other than that, it does not have the resource costs issue. And if the steed was equipped with horseshoes of speed, you could sustain 17 mph.
Beer is rather a lot easier to brew in quantity than spell scrolls are to scribe. "Paid in scrolls" does not equal one scroll per flask of beer. And could mean as little as 'paid in promissory notes/paper money'
Hey, whatever business arrangement Snowball had with Oberon is between them. But I suppose a Teleportation Circle would save him from having to stop so often to let Fred the basset hound relieve himself.
Hey, did you know that Smokey & the Bandit was the 2nd highest grossing film of 1977? It only got beat by some space movie.
Anzio Faro. Protector Aasimar light cleric. Lvl 18.
Viktor Gavriil. White dragonborn grave cleric. Lvl 20.
Ikram Sahir ibn-Malik al-Sayyid Ra'ad. Brass dragonborn draconic sorcerer Lvl 9. Fire elemental devil.
Wrangler of cats.