48 subclasses. I wonder if they’ll be even-handed with them, or if they’ll still be heavier on one class as opposed to another.
I imagine it will be similar to the current PHB with the lion's share going to Wizard and Cleric, but 48 is more than we got in 5e to start with.
Given that 48 divides cleaning into 12, I suspect they are going for 4 a class, but we will see.
I am just going by the current PHB. Wizard and Cleric have more subclasses than any other class. I really don't think that is going to change, but we'll see.
As for the 48 subclasses, I'm thinking we get all the 2014 PHB subclasses (which I believe numbers 40) plus 8 new subclasses.
The Artificer probably won't be playtested much, if at all. But I wouldn't be shocked to see it in the 2024 PHB (perhaps with a new subclass). They can learn what they need from the playtest, without specifically including the Artificer, particularly if they feel the Artificer is in a good place.
I wouldn't be surprised if Paladin was a Warrior class while Monk was a Priest class, to be honest. Even if Monks are mostly about punching people.
Monks, as stated in D&D, are not priests in any sense. Monks in D&D are fighters but I guess to not mess with the class of 2014, the group is called warriors (although it would make more sense to call the group fighters and the class itself warrior).
Hot take: "Schools of Magic" have no business being wizard subclasses. Give wizards a level 1 base class feature called "Arcane Specialty", then let them pick a school to gain benefits from. Study/copy cheaper, and maybe get another benefit or two as they go. Like Pact Boons for the warlock.
Yeah, Wizards don't need 8 different subclasses for the different schools. You could make a single subclass described as specializing in a specific school, and you could cram all eight into one subclass through the use of a table.
I can't see them getting rid of the Necromancer or the Illusionist wizards, or default War Wizard blaster - evocation type, they are too iconic. But I expect bladesinger in core PHB too
Hot take: "Schools of Magic" have no business being wizard subclasses. Give wizards a level 1 base class feature called "Arcane Specialty", then let them pick a school to gain benefits from. Study/copy cheaper, and maybe get another benefit or two as they go. Like Pact Boons for the warlock.
Yeah having the schools be similar to pact boons or something would be a far better way of doing it.
Hot take: "Schools of Magic" have no business being wizard subclasses. Give wizards a level 1 base class feature called "Arcane Specialty", then let them pick a school to gain benefits from. Study/copy cheaper, and maybe get another benefit or two as they go. Like Pact Boons for the warlock.
Yes, that would be great. But I would see it more as a fighting style than a pact boon. It might even be nice if they could choose a second school of magic at x level.
So were Ranger but we already have confirmation that Ranger is Expert and not Warrior. Given that in the video they said it would be best for a party to balance itself by having 1 person from each group, I am suspecting an even 3/3/3/3 split of PHB classes. Paladin being closest to Cleric and Druids being sort of nature priests, I suspect it'll be those three for Priest group.
I wonder if subclasses may be used to grant a class access to a categorization that is otherwise not available to the base class. For example, a zealot barbarian gaining access to the items in the priest category while also keeping their base warrior category.
I'm seriously worried about the future of the Artificer they are currently my favorite class.
I don’t know, it seems like they are well aware of the love artificers have among players, going as far as to mention them in UA even though they are not part of the PHB for 2024.
I'm seriously worried about the future of the Artificer they are currently my favorite class.
They are an exotic class that, in my opinion, has no place in the PHB. But they won't go away, don't worry about that. In fact, I thought I heard in the video that they are also part of the experts group. So it seems there are plans for them.
Really? I would rather see the warlock with a fighting style than a sorcerer.
They could create a sorcerer subclass that has a fighting style then give both bladesinger and hexblade a fighting style so each has a subclass, that would mean putting them all in PHB... But I do think if they went that route, they should also adjust them, since full caster+martial is kinda extremely overpowered. So have them lose a level of spell progression every 5th level or something.
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Good thing with 48? Easily divided by 12 classes, so hopefully 4 subclasses each
Wizards needs 8 for the schools of magic
I am just going by the current PHB. Wizard and Cleric have more subclasses than any other class. I really don't think that is going to change, but we'll see.
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Wizard does not need all 8 schools in the PHB. They can wait on some of them
As for the 48 subclasses, I'm thinking we get all the 2014 PHB subclasses (which I believe numbers 40) plus 8 new subclasses.
The Artificer probably won't be playtested much, if at all. But I wouldn't be shocked to see it in the 2024 PHB (perhaps with a new subclass). They can learn what they need from the playtest, without specifically including the Artificer, particularly if they feel the Artificer is in a good place.
Monks, as stated in D&D, are not priests in any sense.
Monks in D&D are fighters but I guess to not mess with the class of 2014, the group is called warriors (although it would make more sense to call the group fighters and the class itself warrior).
Hot take: "Schools of Magic" have no business being wizard subclasses. Give wizards a level 1 base class feature called "Arcane Specialty", then let them pick a school to gain benefits from. Study/copy cheaper, and maybe get another benefit or two as they go. Like Pact Boons for the warlock.
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Yeah, Wizards don't need 8 different subclasses for the different schools. You could make a single subclass described as specializing in a specific school, and you could cram all eight into one subclass through the use of a table.
We all know that wizard and cleric will get half of them between them while sorcerer and druid get two if we're lucky.
I can't see them getting rid of the Necromancer or the Illusionist wizards, or default War Wizard blaster - evocation type, they are too iconic. But I expect bladesinger in core PHB too
Really? I would rather see the warlock with a fighting style than a sorcerer.
Yeah having the schools be similar to pact boons or something would be a far better way of doing it.
I guess since Wizard doesn't really get much from subclasses, they could just not have any at all.
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I'm seriously worried about the future of the Artificer they are currently my favorite class.
Yes, that would be great. But I would see it more as a fighting style than a pact boon.
It might even be nice if they could choose a second school of magic at x level.
I wonder if subclasses may be used to grant a class access to a categorization that is otherwise not available to the base class. For example, a zealot barbarian gaining access to the items in the priest category while also keeping their base warrior category.
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Off topic, but..... What would you want to see from artificer going forwards in 1dnd
I don’t know, it seems like they are well aware of the love artificers have among players, going as far as to mention them in UA even though they are not part of the PHB for 2024.
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They are an exotic class that, in my opinion, has no place in the PHB. But they won't go away, don't worry about that. In fact, I thought I heard in the video that they are also part of the experts group. So it seems there are plans for them.
They could create a sorcerer subclass that has a fighting style then give both bladesinger and hexblade a fighting style so each has a subclass, that would mean putting them all in PHB... But I do think if they went that route, they should also adjust them, since full caster+martial is kinda extremely overpowered. So have them lose a level of spell progression every 5th level or something.