Seems like people did a great job voicing their objections to the craziness that was leaked. Glad to see WotC didn't just follow through with this. Time will tell how well this position stays in place. I'm still concerned with quality of their past couple books and the future.
I'm sure some people will still say they are the worst and will never give them money again (and I wonder how few of them actually spent money in the past on them)
Seems like people did a great job voicing their objections to the craziness that was leaked. Glad to see WotC didn't just follow through with this. Time will tell how well this position stays in place. I'm still concerned with quality of their past couple books and the future.
I'm sure some people will still say they are the worst and will never give them money again (and I wonder how few of them actually spent money in the past on them)
Well, when this post is still full of lies and intentionally deceitful language (contracts never accompany drafts), yes, they still are the worst. This changes nothing.
I dont trust half of the article. Unless they leave OGL1.0a in tact I am completely done with WOTC. I may be one person but im pretty sure I fall into the whale category for WOTC and I wont be the only one leaving.
I'm surprised they ditched the royalty entirely but all the rest is definitely expected. 1.0a is still going away and they'll still be replacing it with something that has tighter provisions around medium and content. Fine by me. Glad they responded at last.
Seems like people did a great job voicing their objections to the craziness that was leaked. Glad to see WotC didn't just follow through with this. Time will tell how well this position stays in place. I'm still concerned with quality of their past couple books and the future.
I'm sure some people will still say they are the worst and will never give them money again (and I wonder how few of them actually spent money in the past on them)
I have easily spent over a thousand dollars on the Lengedary Bundle, additional books as the came out, and multiple years of a DM sub. Before a walked away from roll20, I had purchased many of the same books again to use on there. This is money that went to WotC, I'm not counting the many more hundreds of dollars spent on third party content. I am pissed because of the amount of time and money I have personally spent on this hobby only for greedy executives to decide they haven't be getting their beaks wet enough. I have zero faith that WotC/Hasbro will not just continue to make the changes they want to make slowly instead of all at once, now.
I certainly had. I'd bought the 5e books and was super disappointed in the initial release. If it wasn't for CR then i probably wouldn't have played a cool changeling in my friend's game and I was going to pay pretty much whatever it took to use their new cool looking vtt with my friends.
Now, I'll just wait for someone else to do it.
As for them getting my money, not under the OGL they just announced. It's better, but it's still bad. Unless they add irrevocable, then I'm not interested in anything they say bc they can just pull this stuff again.
Also, they just lied to all of our faces. It was leaked and the initial plan was for an extremely short turn around to trap 3rd party content creators into signing.
The POINT of the OGL is to grow the HOBBY by letting 3rd party publishers publish content which then increases interest and sales.
Imagine, they could have allowed 3rd party creators to sell content compatible with their vtt on their site. It couldn't be a huge cut, but with the good will and brand recognition it would have been meaningful.
This is the opposite of the spirit and point of the OGL that grew the hobby.
They could have just said in the OGL that no one can used OGL content to create NFTs if that was their goal. Those things can be well defined and described in legalese.
This was about a money grab, plain and simple. And whilst it is a business, it is not one that will be getting my money without a complete 180 and some heads rolling figuratively for the LITERAL LIE that they just tried to gaslight us with.
It wasn't an attempt to get the public's opinion, bc if that was the case then they would have been open about it.
It was an attempt to strong arm ppl like GinniDi, CriticalRole, etc.
When you issue an apology, then your number one goal is coming across as genuine. When you gaslight the people you angered then it's not gonna go well for you.
It's a no from me. It's a complete lack of responsibility and integrity to do this.
What it will not contain is any royalty structure. It also will not include the license back provision that some people were afraid was a means for us to steal work. That thought never crossed our minds.
uhh hu... tell us another story. WOTC has a VAST amount of legal resources at its disposal. Are they trying to say that even with all that help, they could not say precisely what they intended? I think not.
Frankly that's better than people usually get from this sort of statement. Yeah, the PR spin is strong, but the message is also short, to the point, and as frank as a corporate mouthpiece is allowed to be.
If it pans out? Step in the right direction, especially as it seems like they're going to leave anything published under OGL 1.0 alone. That was always one of the biggest sticking points, if not the biggest one - yanking the rug out from under people and Darth Vadering them on deals they built their livelihoods around.
Now, as much as this is going to be taken as corporate apologism - which it isn't - I'ma point out that if everybody sticks to their cancellations and "NEVER ANOTHER CENT" thing out of sheer spite? The message you send to Wotsee and Hasbro is "even if you pull back from something we hate, we're not going to be mollified, so don't bother listening to us." IF they actually do better, and it has yet to be seen what their idea of 'better' is so all due grains of salt here...but if they do better, keep an open mind about the future.
IF they follow through as promised - and that's a very big "if" - that will count as actual effort to repair the damage.
However.
The problem is the blatant lying in the release. We have 3PP like Griffin's Saddlebags confirming they were asked to sign the so-called "draft" new OGL, BEFORE all of this went public. On one hand: typical corporate spin, to be expected from any large corporation. Heinous but not necessarily dealbreaking by itself.
The issue is the lying compounded with the behavior preceding the lying. They've shown us what they want to do and how they'd rather do it; asking us to simply fold and accept their current word on trust is essentially gaslighting.
In case you clicked past it on the front page. The PR spin is strong in this one, but they seem to be backing off.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1423-an-update-on-the-open-game-license-ogl
i hope those PR folks are paid well and get overtime. If anyone at WoTC is working hard, it's certainly them
Seems like people did a great job voicing their objections to the craziness that was leaked.
Glad to see WotC didn't just follow through with this. Time will tell how well this position stays in place. I'm still concerned with quality of their past couple books and the future.
I'm sure some people will still say they are the worst and will never give them money again (and I wonder how few of them actually spent money in the past on them)
Look what can happen when a corporation drives away half its customers in one fell swoop.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
Well, when this post is still full of lies and intentionally deceitful language (contracts never accompany drafts), yes, they still are the worst. This changes nothing.
I dont trust half of the article. Unless they leave OGL1.0a in tact I am completely done with WOTC. I may be one person but im pretty sure I fall into the whale category for WOTC and I wont be the only one leaving.
Well of course they’re gonna spin it, they have to. Those WotC spin doctors did the best they could within the bounds they were given to operate.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
They are flat out lying. They were initially going to have it take effect in a matter of days to constrain 3rd party creators to sign.
I know it was all bs, but that last part was a blatant lie. They weren't intending for that leak to happen!
They were intending to blindside people with no chance to prepare.
Thank goodness for the leaker.
Seems straightforward enough.
Of course you’re right.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
if they ever find out who that leaker was...and eventually they will. i hope they dont punish them too harshly.
I’m withholding judgement until I see OGL 2.0.
Any attempt to unauthorize OGL 1.0a will leave my subscription cancelled.
Lol @ "rolled a 1." They sure did.
I'm surprised they ditched the royalty entirely but all the rest is definitely expected. 1.0a is still going away and they'll still be replacing it with something that has tighter provisions around medium and content. Fine by me. Glad they responded at last.
I have easily spent over a thousand dollars on the Lengedary Bundle, additional books as the came out, and multiple years of a DM sub. Before a walked away from roll20, I had purchased many of the same books again to use on there. This is money that went to WotC, I'm not counting the many more hundreds of dollars spent on third party content. I am pissed because of the amount of time and money I have personally spent on this hobby only for greedy executives to decide they haven't be getting their beaks wet enough. I have zero faith that WotC/Hasbro will not just continue to make the changes they want to make slowly instead of all at once, now.
"Content already released under 1.0a will also remain unaffected."
This seems that everything currently published stays under 1.0a, and implies it's not going away.
The new 1.1b or i forget what they're calling it will cover everything going forward. maybe just OneDND or stuff from a certain date.
I certainly had. I'd bought the 5e books and was super disappointed in the initial release. If it wasn't for CR then i probably wouldn't have played a cool changeling in my friend's game and I was going to pay pretty much whatever it took to use their new cool looking vtt with my friends.
Now, I'll just wait for someone else to do it.
As for them getting my money, not under the OGL they just announced. It's better, but it's still bad. Unless they add irrevocable, then I'm not interested in anything they say bc they can just pull this stuff again.
Also, they just lied to all of our faces. It was leaked and the initial plan was for an extremely short turn around to trap 3rd party content creators into signing.
The POINT of the OGL is to grow the HOBBY by letting 3rd party publishers publish content which then increases interest and sales.
Imagine, they could have allowed 3rd party creators to sell content compatible with their vtt on their site. It couldn't be a huge cut, but with the good will and brand recognition it would have been meaningful.
This is the opposite of the spirit and point of the OGL that grew the hobby.
They could have just said in the OGL that no one can used OGL content to create NFTs if that was their goal. Those things can be well defined and described in legalese.
This was about a money grab, plain and simple. And whilst it is a business, it is not one that will be getting my money without a complete 180 and some heads rolling figuratively for the LITERAL LIE that they just tried to gaslight us with.
It wasn't an attempt to get the public's opinion, bc if that was the case then they would have been open about it.
It was an attempt to strong arm ppl like GinniDi, CriticalRole, etc.
When you issue an apology, then your number one goal is coming across as genuine. When you gaslight the people you angered then it's not gonna go well for you.
It's a no from me. It's a complete lack of responsibility and integrity to do this.
uhh hu... tell us another story. WOTC has a VAST amount of legal resources at its disposal. Are they trying to say that even with all that help, they could not say precisely what they intended? I think not.
Frankly that's better than people usually get from this sort of statement. Yeah, the PR spin is strong, but the message is also short, to the point, and as frank as a corporate mouthpiece is allowed to be.
If it pans out? Step in the right direction, especially as it seems like they're going to leave anything published under OGL 1.0 alone. That was always one of the biggest sticking points, if not the biggest one - yanking the rug out from under people and Darth Vadering them on deals they built their livelihoods around.
Now, as much as this is going to be taken as corporate apologism - which it isn't - I'ma point out that if everybody sticks to their cancellations and "NEVER ANOTHER CENT" thing out of sheer spite? The message you send to Wotsee and Hasbro is "even if you pull back from something we hate, we're not going to be mollified, so don't bother listening to us." IF they actually do better, and it has yet to be seen what their idea of 'better' is so all due grains of salt here...but if they do better, keep an open mind about the future.
All anyone can ask.
Please do not contact or message me.
IF they follow through as promised - and that's a very big "if" - that will count as actual effort to repair the damage.
However.
The problem is the blatant lying in the release. We have 3PP like Griffin's Saddlebags confirming they were asked to sign the so-called "draft" new OGL, BEFORE all of this went public. On one hand: typical corporate spin, to be expected from any large corporation. Heinous but not necessarily dealbreaking by itself.
The issue is the lying compounded with the behavior preceding the lying. They've shown us what they want to do and how they'd rather do it; asking us to simply fold and accept their current word on trust is essentially gaslighting.
Oh man, are we really being gaslit this hard? They actually think we believe that lol?