It is never necessary to preorder anything for the sake of it. But here I find this in my cart because of this:
Get Vecna: Nest of the Eldritch Eye, a D&D Beyond exclusive available with digital preorder only. This single-session adventure prepares you for the final confrontation in Vecna: Eve of Ruin.
So if I don't preorder this, I go into the final confrontation unprepared? This is at best heavy handed wording to make it seem like we will miss out on something. Does this mean the exclusive adventure will prepare me spiritually to receive an encounter with Vecna? Or will we visit The Beholdassque who will help us make sure all our straps are tightened, metaphorically speaking, before we teleport to the final battle? Maybe it is a huge lore dump that will give us a lot of context in order to fully appreciate all the details in the final battle? I'm just left wondering, what do people without this adventure do instead - it must be optional, but just how optional is it? Maybe the difference between entering the final battle at lvl 19 instead of 20? Am I being overly dramatic here?
Yet I can't follow through with checkout. It's a big adventure, but it doesn't include any tokens or maps for VTT (unless you are Master-tier playing on Beyond). This doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings about the direction of D&D. I don't know if this book is going to get updated immediately after the PHB.24, DMG.24, or MM.24 comes out, or maybe years later after other books are revisited - I just don't know what the plan is. And their statement about being fully playable - I think my concern lies with them being satisfactorily playable, and many conversations about backwards compatibility have gone over this so I will just say, there is no way it is going to be the same and I am going to feel like updates are needed. Even if it's just the question of what happens when a character dies mid campaign but that player started before the PHB.24 release? I'm sure a table can work it out, sure, but it just seems like a mess of questions that I don't know if I want to navigate. And I don't know what this might mean in the future. When they release their VTT thing, would I have to buy it again as a module for the VTT, like I have to with 3rd party VTT's today? Or will there be an option to buy it as a module that works for both Maps and their VTT (if those will be different things) as an alternative to having a Master-tier subscription? It might be better to wait and see.
I need to know what their future offerings, policies, and plans will look like in order to have confidence to buy this in advance of both the release of the 5.24 books and their VTT. At least to know - are the adventure books going to be updated for 5.24 and if so, how long until Vecna is updated? Will the VTT require separate purchases for adventures we already own, or automatically include those adventures (as they are released for the VTT)?
What do you think - is Vecna: Eve of Ruin worth it to preorder? How necessary do you think Vecna: Nest of the Eldritch Eye will be?
They aren't going to wall something actually essential behind a preorder. It's described as a single session adventure, so it's not big. As for whether it's worth it... depends how price sensitive you are, there's a meaningful risk it won't be what you want so it's certainly safer to wait.
Yeah, this is pure advertising hype. In reality, the preorder bonus is probably just going to be a little pre-adventure that's a few pages long for low level PCs. In general, I'm opposed to preordering games, whether that's tabletop or video, and 5E's modules have been quite hit or miss in quality.
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I agree with the posts above, and will add that for me (and I feel it is important to state to me) I will not pre-order anything from WotC in the foreseeable future, as there have been to many things in the recent year or two that have led me to this decision. If the marketing and offerings are good for you then pre-order away. I will not, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't or that it is not a good option for you.
I am very excited about this book and look forward to buying and playing it, but I highly doubt I will pre-order it. That said I doubt pre-ordering would be a mistake for any one interested in the pre-order perks offered.
I agree with the posts above, and will add that for me (and I feel it is important to state to me) I will not pre-order anything from WotC in the foreseeable future, as there have been to many things in the recent year or two that have led me to this decision. If the marketing and offerings are good for you then pre-order away. I will not, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't or that it is not a good option for you.
I am very excited about this book and look forward to buying and playing it, but I highly doubt I will pre-order it. That said I doubt pre-ordering would be a mistake for any one interested in the pre-order perks offered.
Very much agreed. Anyone not sold on pre-order perks should just wait. I usually go for the pre-order perks myself, but I like the vanity items and I don't see any offered here. So I shall wait for some vanity items to show up or wait to thumb through it at Barnes & Noble before buying.
surely Nest of the Eldritch Eye adventure will show up again later as a christmas advent calendar slot. they have to space out the coupons on that thing somehow.
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Possibly, they offered Spelljammer Academy this year. They don't go on sale or anything though.
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OK, so it is not necessary to preorder. Thanks for calming my FOMO.
Now I see I can preorder Vecna: EoR on Roll20 instead. Does anyone know if that means I will get maps and tokens for the Roll20 VTT? And if the ROll20 preorder also includes Vecna: Nest of the Eldritch Eye?
OK, so it is not necessary to preorder. Thanks for calming my FOMO.
Now I see I can preorder Vecna: EoR on Roll20 instead. Does anyone know if that means I will get maps and tokens for the Roll20 VTT? And if the ROll20 preorder also includes Vecna: Nest of the Eldritch Eye?
Nest of the Eldritch Eye is noted as an 'exclusive' preorder, so no on that. As for the rest... ask roll20, their preorder page doesn't say but typically they do provide maps and tokens.
I asked Roll20 support and they told me that since it is a preorder it will not show the subproducts included. So all I know is it is "A combination of art and adventure content", which for all I know could just be the PDF in compendium form or also with the tokens + maps for VTT.
They did confirm the exclusive adventure is exclusive to DDB. I had some hope it was exclusive to all preorders across platforms, but alas.
I am left with little incentive to preorder either.
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It is never necessary to preorder anything for the sake of it. But here I find this in my cart because of this:
So if I don't preorder this, I go into the final confrontation unprepared? This is at best heavy handed wording to make it seem like we will miss out on something. Does this mean the exclusive adventure will prepare me spiritually to receive an encounter with Vecna? Or will we visit The Beholdassque who will help us make sure all our straps are tightened, metaphorically speaking, before we teleport to the final battle? Maybe it is a huge lore dump that will give us a lot of context in order to fully appreciate all the details in the final battle? I'm just left wondering, what do people without this adventure do instead - it must be optional, but just how optional is it? Maybe the difference between entering the final battle at lvl 19 instead of 20? Am I being overly dramatic here?
Yet I can't follow through with checkout. It's a big adventure, but it doesn't include any tokens or maps for VTT (unless you are Master-tier playing on Beyond). This doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings about the direction of D&D. I don't know if this book is going to get updated immediately after the PHB.24, DMG.24, or MM.24 comes out, or maybe years later after other books are revisited - I just don't know what the plan is. And their statement about being fully playable - I think my concern lies with them being satisfactorily playable, and many conversations about backwards compatibility have gone over this so I will just say, there is no way it is going to be the same and I am going to feel like updates are needed. Even if it's just the question of what happens when a character dies mid campaign but that player started before the PHB.24 release? I'm sure a table can work it out, sure, but it just seems like a mess of questions that I don't know if I want to navigate. And I don't know what this might mean in the future. When they release their VTT thing, would I have to buy it again as a module for the VTT, like I have to with 3rd party VTT's today? Or will there be an option to buy it as a module that works for both Maps and their VTT (if those will be different things) as an alternative to having a Master-tier subscription? It might be better to wait and see.
I need to know what their future offerings, policies, and plans will look like in order to have confidence to buy this in advance of both the release of the 5.24 books and their VTT. At least to know - are the adventure books going to be updated for 5.24 and if so, how long until Vecna is updated? Will the VTT require separate purchases for adventures we already own, or automatically include those adventures (as they are released for the VTT)?
What do you think - is Vecna: Eve of Ruin worth it to preorder? How necessary do you think Vecna: Nest of the Eldritch Eye will be?
They aren't going to wall something actually essential behind a preorder. It's described as a single session adventure, so it's not big. As for whether it's worth it... depends how price sensitive you are, there's a meaningful risk it won't be what you want so it's certainly safer to wait.
Yeah, this is pure advertising hype. In reality, the preorder bonus is probably just going to be a little pre-adventure that's a few pages long for low level PCs. In general, I'm opposed to preordering games, whether that's tabletop or video, and 5E's modules have been quite hit or miss in quality.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
I agree with the posts above, and will add that for me (and I feel it is important to state to me) I will not pre-order anything from WotC in the foreseeable future, as there have been to many things in the recent year or two that have led me to this decision. If the marketing and offerings are good for you then pre-order away. I will not, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't or that it is not a good option for you.
I am very excited about this book and look forward to buying and playing it, but I highly doubt I will pre-order it. That said I doubt pre-ordering would be a mistake for any one interested in the pre-order perks offered.
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Very much agreed. Anyone not sold on pre-order perks should just wait. I usually go for the pre-order perks myself, but I like the vanity items and I don't see any offered here. So I shall wait for some vanity items to show up or wait to thumb through it at Barnes & Noble before buying.
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surely Nest of the Eldritch Eye adventure will show up again later as a christmas advent calendar slot. they have to space out the coupons on that thing somehow.
unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: provide feedback!
Possibly, they offered Spelljammer Academy this year. They don't go on sale or anything though.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
OK, so it is not necessary to preorder. Thanks for calming my FOMO.
Now I see I can preorder Vecna: EoR on Roll20 instead. Does anyone know if that means I will get maps and tokens for the Roll20 VTT? And if the ROll20 preorder also includes Vecna: Nest of the Eldritch Eye?
Nest of the Eldritch Eye is noted as an 'exclusive' preorder, so no on that. As for the rest... ask roll20, their preorder page doesn't say but typically they do provide maps and tokens.
I asked Roll20 support and they told me that since it is a preorder it will not show the subproducts included. So all I know is it is "A combination of art and adventure content", which for all I know could just be the PDF in compendium form or also with the tokens + maps for VTT.
They did confirm the exclusive adventure is exclusive to DDB. I had some hope it was exclusive to all preorders across platforms, but alas.
I am left with little incentive to preorder either.