*what are some of the problems from the 2014 rules?*
*A lot of classes are frontloaded, you get a ton of features at low level and not a lot at later ones. Martials are always inadequate when compared to spellcasters because all they can do is hit things and roll skill checks (barbarian vs one ravine they cant cross). A lot of capstone features on classes suck. A lot of subclasses are undertuned. 1st and 2nd level are barely playable because you have such little HP it becomes RNG rather than skill for survival. A lot of weapons overlap eachother or are just straight up useless. Monk is terribly made. Warlock and Druid are both weak comparatively to their other caster counterparts.*
*from a min maxing standpoint, I agree. but from your normal Friday night player, I think the classes are fairly even. I agree about lvl 1 and 2 though*
*Even for a normal player, the difference between what you can do as a caster vs a fighter is staggering. Casting goodberry once feeds people for 10 days with no rations. Invisibility can get you past a lot. Disguise self. Water breathing. Fly. Etc. Martials should do more than just hit things, and new players deserve better than just “I take the attack action” and then roll terribly on every out of combat thing because they’re a fighter. Monk runs out of ki points super early on because everything they use uses ki points, which makes them semi useless until they rest. Plus 2024 rules stripped the flavor from a lot of classes which is upsetting. It’s not minmaxing, it’s just fun gameplay that was taken out.*
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*Nice, ours was a high-level campaign so the DM really should've known better. It finally got to the point where he brought in a Balor, and with my abilities I just said. "I kill him." When he started bringing in gods.*
*Nahh, your DM isn’t evil enough. I could solo a 20th level party with some CR 13 monsters.*
*You'd be surprised how evil he was. It was an actually insane campaign. The first sessions we had no items and a Metalic greatwyrm, and several cities armies attacking us.*
*Oh damn. That seems like a TPK.*
*No, Like I said I minmaxed. The campaign lasted a long time, until there was so much backstabbing that our civilization fell apart.*
*No items? You can’t do anything without items. Spellcasting foci, weapons, armor, unless you’re a bloodhunter lycan monk fighter or something.*
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“Her allies are loyal to me, not her. They would not risk attacking someone who everyone speaks of in a terrified way. Neither would I. She has learned her lesson. Or perhaps we can make a bargain?”
“A bargain? I would potentially be open to such. What are you willing to trade for her life?”
“What would you like from me? I have few things I can offer, but I can offer my services in whatever you wish, and I can offer you allies if they are open to it.”
“I would gladly accept allies if you can keep your word.” Correlion says, looking Desto over head to toe. “Will you ensure she does not attack me?”
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*what are some of the problems from the 2014 rules?*
*A lot of classes are frontloaded, you get a ton of features at low level and not a lot at later ones. Martials are always inadequate when compared to spellcasters because all they can do is hit things and roll skill checks (barbarian vs one ravine they cant cross). A lot of capstone features on classes suck. A lot of subclasses are undertuned. 1st and 2nd level are barely playable because you have such little HP it becomes RNG rather than skill for survival. A lot of weapons overlap eachother or are just straight up useless. Monk is terribly made. Warlock and Druid are both weak comparatively to their other caster counterparts.*
*from a min maxing standpoint, I agree. but from your normal Friday night player, I think the classes are fairly even. I agree about lvl 1 and 2 though*
*Even for a normal player, the difference between what you can do as a caster vs a fighter is staggering. Casting goodberry once feeds people for 10 days with no rations. Invisibility can get you past a lot. Disguise self. Water breathing. Fly. Etc. Martials should do more than just hit things, and new players deserve better than just “I take the attack action” and then roll terribly on every out of combat thing because they’re a fighter. Monk runs out of ki points super early on because everything they use uses ki points, which makes them semi useless until they rest. Plus 2024 rules stripped the flavor from a lot of classes which is upsetting. It’s not minmaxing, it’s just fun gameplay that was taken out.*
*Yeah, I usually love martial classes. Because it actually makes you think about clever solutions, instead of just using spells. Martians keep getting closer to others as well, instead of keeping their unique flavor.*
*Nice, ours was a high-level campaign so the DM really should've known better. It finally got to the point where he brought in a Balor, and with my abilities I just said. "I kill him." When he started bringing in gods.*
*Nahh, your DM isn’t evil enough. I could solo a 20th level party with some CR 13 monsters.*
*You'd be surprised how evil he was. It was an actually insane campaign. The first sessions we had no items and a Metalic greatwyrm, and several cities armies attacking us.*
*Oh damn. That seems like a TPK.*
*No, Like I said I minmaxed. The campaign lasted a long time, until there was so much backstabbing that our civilization fell apart.*
*No items? You can’t do anything without items. Spellcasting foci, weapons, armor, unless you’re a bloodhunter lycan monk fighter or something.*
*choke the first guy that rushes at you and steal their clothes*
*Yep*
*Edit, we were in a city. So we could secure basic items, But studded leather was about the best we got before the rest of the people came.*
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*I actually disagree. While the classes and some other features are a mess. They fixed a bunch of broken abilities. Such as wave being able to do half a creatures max health on a crit.*
*Wave isn’t a great artifact. It deals necrotic damage, which is fairly commonly resisted for monsters, and a vorpal beheads someone on a 20 which is much better.*
*It is really good, its not a artifact, Only Legendary. (Even if its like one) +3 isn't great because tridents aren't but the necrotic damage can be devastating to certain creatures.
It also has a bunch of versatility in water, so If your playing in a campaign with ocean travel its great. The weapon also functions as a Trident of Fish Command and a Weapon of Warning. It can confer the benefit of a Cap of Water Breathing while you hold it, and you can use it as a Cube of Force by choosing the effect, instead of pressing cube sides to select it.
Some of those aren't great, but cube of force is insane. There is some great combos with it.*
*Oh it’s a legendary? There’s better options tho, especially belts of giant strength, but it’s situationally good in water. And being a trident does definitely nerf it.*
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*Casting goodberry once feeds people for 10 days with no rations.*
*the berries disappear after a day?*
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“Her allies are loyal to me, not her. They would not risk attacking someone who everyone speaks of in a terrified way. Neither would I. She has learned her lesson. Or perhaps we can make a bargain?”
“A bargain? I would potentially be open to such. What are you willing to trade for her life?”
“What would you like from me? I have few things I can offer, but I can offer my services in whatever you wish, and I can offer you allies if they are open to it.”
“I would gladly accept allies if you can keep your word.” Correlion says, looking Desto over head to toe. “Will you ensure she does not attack me?”
“I can keep my own word. I cannot say the same for my own allies, but I will try to convince them to the best of my abilities. Umbraveth also proposed an alliance, which I did not accept or reject, but I will reject his. I cannot say for sure, but I will also try to the best of my abilities.”
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*Yeah, I usually love martial classes. Because it actually makes you think about clever solutions, instead of just using spells. Martians keep getting closer to others as well, instead of keeping their unique flavor.*
*I just wish martials were better at what they do.*
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*Casting goodberry once feeds people for 10 days with no rations.*
*the berries disappear after a day?*
*You can cast it every day without consequence and feed up to 10 people because I worded my original sentence wrong 😔 guy that makes one mistake and it lowkey ruins the point i was making*
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“I can keep my own word. I cannot say the same for my own allies, but I will try to convince them to the best of my abilities. Umbraveth also proposed an alliance, which I did not accept or reject, but I will reject his. I cannot say for sure, but I will also try to the best of my abilities.”
”I will let her live, and you may reclaim her body, but know that should I be attacked, I will defend myself. Without hesitation. If I am threatened, I will not take it lightly.” Correlion smudges the sigils on the circle. “Take her and leave.”
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*I actually disagree. While the classes and some other features are a mess. They fixed a bunch of broken abilities. Such as wave being able to do half a creatures max health on a crit.*
*Wave isn’t a great artifact. It deals necrotic damage, which is fairly commonly resisted for monsters, and a vorpal beheads someone on a 20 which is much better.*
*It is really good, its not a artifact, Only Legendary. (Even if its like one) +3 isn't great because tridents aren't but the necrotic damage can be devastating to certain creatures.
It also has a bunch of versatility in water, so If your playing in a campaign with ocean travel its great. The weapon also functions as a Trident of Fish Command and a Weapon of Warning. It can confer the benefit of a Cap of Water Breathing while you hold it, and you can use it as a Cube of Force by choosing the effect, instead of pressing cube sides to select it.
Some of those aren't great, but cube of force is insane. There is some great combos with it.*
*Oh it’s a legendary? There’s better options tho, especially belts of giant strength, but it’s situationally good in water. And being a trident does definitely nerf it.*
*Yeah it is, but I love a bit of situational use, especially is you can use it creatively. A belt of giant strength has never felt 'Legendary' *Gtg8
“I can keep my own word. I cannot say the same for my own allies, but I will try to convince them to the best of my abilities. Umbraveth also proposed an alliance, which I did not accept or reject, but I will reject his. I cannot say for sure, but I will also try to the best of my abilities.”
”I will let her live, and you may reclaim her body, but know that should I be attacked, I will defend myself. Without hesitation. If I am threatened, I will not take it lightly.” Correlion smudges the sigils on the circle. “Take her and leave.”
“Thank you. This mercy will not be forgotten.” He smiles.
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*Yeah it is, but I love a bit of situational use, especially is you can use it creatively. A belt of giant strength has never felt 'Legendary' *Gtg8
*Really? It’s stupidly strong. Bye!*
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“I can keep my own word. I cannot say the same for my own allies, but I will try to convince them to the best of my abilities. Umbraveth also proposed an alliance, which I did not accept or reject, but I will reject his. I cannot say for sure, but I will also try to the best of my abilities.”
”I will let her live, and you may reclaim her body, but know that should I be attacked, I will defend myself. Without hesitation. If I am threatened, I will not take it lightly.” Correlion smudges the sigils on the circle. “Take her and leave.”
“Thank you. This mercy will not be forgotten.” He smiles.
“And your name? I don’t believe we had met prior to this.”
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“I can keep my own word. I cannot say the same for my own allies, but I will try to convince them to the best of my abilities. Umbraveth also proposed an alliance, which I did not accept or reject, but I will reject his. I cannot say for sure, but I will also try to the best of my abilities.”
”I will let her live, and you may reclaim her body, but know that should I be attacked, I will defend myself. Without hesitation. If I am threatened, I will not take it lightly.” Correlion smudges the sigils on the circle. “Take her and leave.”
“Thank you. This mercy will not be forgotten.” He smiles.
*thank you :)*
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“I can keep my own word. I cannot say the same for my own allies, but I will try to convince them to the best of my abilities. Umbraveth also proposed an alliance, which I did not accept or reject, but I will reject his. I cannot say for sure, but I will also try to the best of my abilities.”
”I will let her live, and you may reclaim her body, but know that should I be attacked, I will defend myself. Without hesitation. If I am threatened, I will not take it lightly.” Correlion smudges the sigils on the circle. “Take her and leave.”
“Thank you. This mercy will not be forgotten.” He smiles.
“And your name? I don’t believe we had met prior to this.”
“Desto Del’Ponte. And you are Correlion. Pleasure to meet you.”
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*Even for a normal player, the difference between what you can do as a caster vs a fighter is staggering. Casting goodberry once feeds people for 10 days with no rations. Invisibility can get you past a lot. Disguise self. Water breathing. Fly. Etc. Martials should do more than just hit things, and new players deserve better than just “I take the attack action” and then roll terribly on every out of combat thing because they’re a fighter. Monk runs out of ki points super early on because everything they use uses ki points, which makes them semi useless until they rest. Plus 2024 rules stripped the flavor from a lot of classes which is upsetting. It’s not minmaxing, it’s just fun gameplay that was taken out.*
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*No items? You can’t do anything without items. Spellcasting foci, weapons, armor, unless you’re a bloodhunter lycan monk fighter or something.*
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“I would gladly accept allies if you can keep your word.” Correlion says, looking Desto over head to toe. “Will you ensure she does not attack me?”
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*Yeah, I usually love martial classes. Because it actually makes you think about clever solutions, instead of just using spells. Martians keep getting closer to others as well, instead of keeping their unique flavor.*
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*Oh it’s a legendary? There’s better options tho, especially belts of giant strength, but it’s situationally good in water. And being a trident does definitely nerf it.*
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*the berries disappear after a day?*
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“I can keep my own word. I cannot say the same for my own allies, but I will try to convince them to the best of my abilities. Umbraveth also proposed an alliance, which I did not accept or reject, but I will reject his. I cannot say for sure, but I will also try to the best of my abilities.”
My titles are the great Silver Dragon Lord of the Sky, Second in Command of the Dragon Cult, High Warlock of Cynophobia, High Cultist of Jeff, The Lightning Mage. I’m a ✨Chronically online teenage boy✨, and one of the most active posters on the forums (MORE THAN SALEM AND GONZALO). Always open to talk if you’d like to shoot me a PM! Please don’t hesitate to tell me I’m being a jerk or overbearing, I love helpful feedback! Love y’all!
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*I just wish martials were better at what they do.*
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*hello :)*
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*You can cast it every day without consequence and feed up to 10 people because I worded my original sentence wrong 😔 guy that makes one mistake and it lowkey ruins the point i was making*
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”I will let her live, and you may reclaim her body, but know that should I be attacked, I will defend myself. Without hesitation. If I am threatened, I will not take it lightly.” Correlion smudges the sigils on the circle. “Take her and leave.”
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*Yeah it is, but I love a bit of situational use, especially is you can use it creatively. A belt of giant strength has never felt 'Legendary' *Gtg8
“Thank you. This mercy will not be forgotten.” He smiles.
My titles are the great Silver Dragon Lord of the Sky, Second in Command of the Dragon Cult, High Warlock of Cynophobia, High Cultist of Jeff, The Lightning Mage. I’m a ✨Chronically online teenage boy✨, and one of the most active posters on the forums (MORE THAN SALEM AND GONZALO). Always open to talk if you’d like to shoot me a PM! Please don’t hesitate to tell me I’m being a jerk or overbearing, I love helpful feedback! Love y’all!
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*Really? It’s stupidly strong. Bye!*
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“And your name? I don’t believe we had met prior to this.”
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*thank you :)*
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part of the cult of science, and the Cult of the Nothic, and plays on Tenbrae Sine Fine
Please help us!!! (Link) Nickname is Colton. PM ME THE WORD TOMATO.
The best name for the mad gibber
“Desto Del’Ponte. And you are Correlion. Pleasure to meet you.”
My titles are the great Silver Dragon Lord of the Sky, Second in Command of the Dragon Cult, High Warlock of Cynophobia, High Cultist of Jeff, The Lightning Mage. I’m a ✨Chronically online teenage boy✨, and one of the most active posters on the forums (MORE THAN SALEM AND GONZALO). Always open to talk if you’d like to shoot me a PM! Please don’t hesitate to tell me I’m being a jerk or overbearing, I love helpful feedback! Love y’all!
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