Ok, that is suddenly a huge change in direction. Going straight from skipping the vote to accusing, burning?

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 What did your aggresiveness get us last time? a loss. 

 To use fancy terms I learned from the last game, this looks heavily like an OMGUS. You're saying 'you made us lose' as a defense? And just because Vitus was speculating it was Archfey doesn't mean he's responsible for us losing. And he was charmed and on mafia when he did, so framing and getting town to vote out people was one of his main jobs. But anyways...

You are right to say we shall not be silent but to vote for a person within the first few hours is too early and seems mafia like, to try to get rid of all of the townies via votes and murders.

 Sussing someone for voting too early is REALLY grasping straws. And you're sussing someone for speculation, literally the whole point of the towns job is to theorize and find the mafia. 

And revolving back to your skeptic claim! You were dead set on skipping the whole time, but the moment Vitus said 'vigilante should take you out' you were like 'ITS VITUS ITS VITUS', perhaps because you're mafia and you don't want to be taken out? (This is one of my looser ends, gotta admit, since really anyone would get defensive in a case like this, but I feel like a town would try to defend normally like 'hey, no need to do that', while mafia would try to pin the blame on someone else)

If you do turn out to be a skeptic like you say you are, there's not really anything at stake if we vote you out as of now. And Vitus is right, we probably do want someone that's voting and not skipping (almost) all the time anyways.

VOTE: burningkings

My defense to these arguments are, vitus analyzes very hard which is good and normal but since no one does that as well as him he holds a lot of power. Its not a OMGUS. Hes playing very aggresive already, and yes while im a skeptic and am inclined to vote skip (which I originally did) vitus is wanting to waste a night killing a skeptic who is on the towns side and let the mafia take a second life putting us a massive disandvantage. On the other side we have no idea if vitus is mafia or not, and since I believe mafia tend to be aggressive on lynches to get an early advantage he is showing signs of mafia hence my vote. Again I will vote If I believe someone is a detriment to society. Otherwise I find it better to skip.

can you dumb it down please?

TLDR: I voted skip, Vitus didnt like so he voted me, I said thats very aggresive on little evidence which is what mafia does, I vote vitus.

NOT OMGUS

thank you =)

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My defense to these arguments are, vitus analyzes very hard which is good and normal but since no one does that as well as him he holds a lot of power. Its not a OMGUS.

 Which also means he could analyze and figure out it's you? Getting one of the main strategists out of the game first round would be very good for mafia, wouldn't it? And if I remember correctly OMGUS is either saying 'youre  bad at the game' in a nutshell (you literally said 'we lost the last game because of you') or voting someone just cause they voted you. 

Hes playing very aggresive already, and yes while im a skeptic and am inclined to vote skip (which I originally did) vitus is wanting to waste a night killing a skeptic who is on the towns side and let the mafia take a second life putting us a massive disandvantage. 

 More like actually trying to figure things out. I don't see anything 'aggressive' about that. And it's not a massive disadvantage, we haven't even had any people die yet. Still huge amount of town here. You're exaggerating.

On the other side we have no idea if vitus is mafia or not, and since I believe mafia tend to be aggressive on lynches to get an early advantage he is showing signs of mafia hence my vote. Again I will vote If I believe someone is a detriment to society. Otherwise I find it better to skip.

 And we have no idea whether you're mafia or not. If you are planning to vote people for voting so early why didn't you vote Nothic? No, you're just going for people who are onto you. 

And Vitus didn't even vote for you, he said vigilante should attack you. There's a difference. 

OMGUS is an abbreviation for 'Oh my god you suck' in other words if someone votes for you you vote for them which again I did not do here.

Nothics vote was a joke and therefore I didnt see him as a detriment

Vitus's argument is that I will always vote skip so therefore need to be eliminated, which is incorrect. I will vote for detriments to society

Vitus is playing very aggresively immeadiately voting nothic for spam, which vitus did as well. then when I said that I wont always vote for someone immeadiately voted me. That IS aggresive and yes even though it doesnt always even the odds, isnt it the goal for mafia to take out as many people as possible in a short amount of time? This means it would highly benefit them if they could take out two townies/positive roles per day.

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And Vitus didn't even vote for you, he said vigilante should attack you. There's a difference.

so we should lynch someone have the vigilante kill someone and let the mafia kill someone? a triple whammy is a jackpot for the mafia you further prove my point. and even if it doesnt even the playing field, losing three people is still a huge blow to the town

maybe i should kill you to just shut you up

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Quote from TheMadGibber >>

And Vitus didn't even vote for you, he said vigilante should attack you. There's a difference.

so we should lynch someone have the vigilante kill someone and let the mafia kill someone? a triple whammy is a jackpot for the mafia you further prove my point. and even if it doesnt even the playing field, losing three people is still a huge blow to the town

 Unless, y’know, the people killed are mafia. Which is the intent.

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maybe i should kill you to just shut you up

Out of curiosity. Are you saying that because you’re vigilante? Cause that’s kind of an odd thing to say.

i am not the vigilante 

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OMGUS is an abbreviation for 'Oh my god you suck' in other words if someone votes for you you vote for them which again I did not do here.

 Ah. Well, I do admit I'm wrong on that then.

Nothics vote was a joke and therefore I didnt see him as a detriment

 Ok, that's fair reasoning too actually. But then define what you consider a 'detriment'? 

Vitus's argument is that I will always vote skip so therefore need to be eliminated, which is incorrect. I will vote for detriments to society

 But you never said the detriment thing until Vitus voted you. 

Vitus is playing very aggresively immeadiately voting nothic for spam, which vitus did as well. then when I said that I wont always vote for someone immeadiately voted me. That IS aggresive and yes even though it doesnt always even the odds, isnt it the goal for mafia to take out as many people as possible in a short amount of time? This means it would highly benefit them if they could take out two townies/positive roles per day.

 That is just a complete lie. Vitus never even accused Nothic. From what we could tell, you were inclined to basically skip every time. Define what you mean be aggressive? And the rest of the argument is basically you saying 'we need to keep skipping so we don't kill two townies a day'. Remember Murder in the North Pole? Town kept skipping, mafia won.

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Quote from TheMadGibber >>

And Vitus didn't even vote for you, he said vigilante should attack you. There's a difference.

so we should lynch someone have the vigilante kill someone and let the mafia kill someone? a triple whammy is a jackpot for the mafia you further prove my point. and even if it doesnt even the playing field, losing three people is still a huge blow to the town

 Lynching: the person being voted out could be a mafia. It's not nesscecarily a guaranteed town kill, not at all.

Vigilante: most of the time same situation as voting out, if anything more likely to kill maifa as vigilante are likely to be careful about who they kill. In this situation, i do admit Vitus is a little sus for saying vigilante instead of lynch which would mean an extra kill for mafia, but in my opinion your sus outweighs his.

Mafia Kill: I mean, nothing really to say about this. This one is bound to kill a townie but that's just obvious.

Sheesh, I'm getting back into the long post buisness again. I'll try to make them shorter and easier to read.

Quote from burningkings >>

TLDR: I voted skip, Vitus didnt like so he voted me

 I hadn't actually voted for you. (Little oversight on my part.)

Unvote: FlowerField
Vote: BurningKings

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Quote from burningkings >>

OMGUS is an abbreviation for 'Oh my god you suck' in other words if someone votes for you you vote for them which again I did not do here.

 Ah. Well, I do admit I'm wrong on that then.

Nothics vote was a joke and therefore I didnt see him as a detriment

 Ok, that's fair reasoning too actually. But then define what you consider a 'detriment'? 

Vitus's argument is that I will always vote skip so therefore need to be eliminated, which is incorrect. I will vote for detriments to society

 But you never said the detriment thing until Vitus voted you. 

Vitus is playing very aggresively immeadiately voting nothic for spam, which vitus did as well. then when I said that I wont always vote for someone immeadiately voted me. That IS aggresive and yes even though it doesnt always even the odds, isnt it the goal for mafia to take out as many people as possible in a short amount of time? This means it would highly benefit them if they could take out two townies/positive roles per day.

 That is just a complete lie. Vitus never even accused Nothic. From what we could tell, you were inclined to basically skip every time. Define what you mean be aggressive? And the rest of the argument is basically you saying 'we need to keep skipping so we don't kill two townies a day'. Remember Murder in the North Pole? Town kept skipping, mafia won.

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Quote from TheMadGibber >>

And Vitus didn't even vote for you, he said vigilante should attack you. There's a difference.

so we should lynch someone have the vigilante kill someone and let the mafia kill someone? a triple whammy is a jackpot for the mafia you further prove my point. and even if it doesnt even the playing field, losing three people is still a huge blow to the town

 Lynching: the person being voted out could be a mafia. It's not nesscecarily a guaranteed town kill, not at all.

Vigilante: most of the time same situation as voting out, if anything more likely to kill maifa as vigilante are likely to be careful about who they kill. In this situation, i do admit Vitus is a little sus for saying vigilante instead of lynch which would mean an extra kill for mafia, but in my opinion your sus outweighs his.

Mafia Kill: I mean, nothing really to say about this. This one is bound to kill a townie but that's just obvious.

 

Sheesh, I'm getting back into the long post buisness again. I'll try to make them shorter and easier to read.

 You are right on most parts heres my explanations. a detriment is anyone who I believe is tearing us apart because of this silly rumor. I did not say the detriment thing because I believed it was common knowledge because of the "generally votes to skip" in the role bio. I wasnt here for murder in the north pole. and im not saying we skip every time. and if people vote me out you kill a townie, vigilante will have to guess who is mafia and might get it wrong. thats 2. and then mafia kills thats 3. a triple whammy. 

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Quote from burningkings >>

TLDR: I voted skip, Vitus didnt like so he voted me

 I hadn't actually voted for you. (Little oversight on my part.)

Unvote: FlowerField
Vote: BurningKings

 Ahem and im being accused of OMGUS

you did kill me last round. i say that this is karma come back for you

If you’re gonna hold grudges from previous games, you’re an impairment to the town as a whole. Just saying.

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you did kill me last round. i say that this is karma come back for you

 yeah well your not the center of attention this isnt all about you. 

well i SHOULD be