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Ah wait, I remember (or rather, I think I can figure out what my thought process was) why I assumed gato to be the hypnotist. We were playing it safe to avoid jester so it was like we had already decided that they were a neutral, and banan had been saying neutral or mafia, with neutral first. Then gibber’s certainty that the neutral role was hypnotist. Those factors and a little bit of absent mindedness made me come to the conclusion that gato was for sure hypnotist. Also, why is hypnotist impossible to spell? Choose a more spellable word next time monks

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As you all wake up, you brace yourselves for another scene of chaos and bloodshed. And well, you find that. There’s blood and broken glass everywhere, and curiously, three sets of footprints. There isn’t a corpse in sight. A small note lays on the floor, small in the grand scene before you. It reads, “You’re welcome Naner. Signed, the First Responder.”

It is currently Day. Begin. 

 Perfect. Now let’s go down the list. Banan, who did you investigate and Diano who did you block?

 I was blocked

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I'm paranoid about dying each night so I'm gonna say it before day ends any second now. I find himy to be the most suspicious at the moment. Both accusing Dinao and the whole seeming to know Gato was neutral and not mafia thing. I'm making this quick because I gtg but wanted to point that out just in case.

 I never said gato wasn’t mafia. I was going with the previously mentioned established notion that gato was neutral. Y’know, what pretty much everyone was saying before hand. So by that logic, you would be sus, PJ would be sus, everyone would be sus. Then when I called out gato, I stated that there’s a 1/4 chance that he’s mafia.

As for Diano idk man I ain’t got much of a defense for that. He’s just weird and hard to get a good read on. It’s like trying to glean meaning from a book in a different language for me. 

 This is false. I skimmed back through the last day and there didn't seem to be any notion that Gato was neutral besides the one that you brought up. Also I think it would be 1/4 chance of being neutral, not mafia, but I'm not gonna sus you for a mathematical error. Regardless you only did that later.

I agree Dinao acts weird and I would understand thinking some of his behavior is generally suspicious, but like if someone is a confirmed townie then just why accuse them? 

I am willing to just keep an eye on you, since this doesn't seem like enough evidence for a vote at the moment, but I don't want to not speak up about things I find sus.

 Maybe Im just tweaking but I swear that we were previously referring to him as neutral. And I said 1/4 because there are 12 people still alive, 3 mafia and one neutral, in addition to the 8 townsfolk. It appears I am incredibly stupid and made a mistake, because that should then be 1/3. In my defense, I never said I was good at math

Also, remember the game before last? Where monks was dead set on the idea that PJ and EJO were inno? There’s no such thing as a guarantee. Sure, it’s most probable that Diano is indeed jailor, but you can never be sure. Im not saying that my accusation was perfect or just, but I wouldn’t call it suspicious to go against the status quo (Im not sure if that’s the right phrase but it sounds close enough so I’m sticking with it) 

 No, Banan confirmed that Gato was neutral or mafia. Theres 3 mafia and 1 neutral. 1/4

Yes, I remember that game very well, but the thing is PJ and EJO had nothing to clear them. Monks just thought they were innocent for voting out a mafia. Dinao is actually clear through things other then behavior, I don't really know where you're going with this

 Am I tweaking? Was I right the first time or no? If theres 12 people (and after a check there may have been only 11 at the time of gato’s death) and 4 of them aren’t townside, shouldn’t that be 1/3 odds of any given person being non town? For the sake of that statement, Im ignoring detective and such. Maybe we’re just talking about separate things 

The point Im trying to make is that nothing is set it stone until either the person is dead or you are. Like I said previously, yes, it’s most likely that Diano is indeed the jailor. But full clearing him without a search? He supposedly blocked tar, who neither confirmed nor denied the fact, so we can’t even get anything from that. Has no one else claimed jailor? No. So the most likely scenario is that gato is indeed jailor (which Ive already said multiple times) but theres always the chance that he’s lying..

Which is all to say: We know pretty much nothing. That is a problem. The only people we can for sure clear are you and banan  (which changes very little) we can only pseudo clear PJ and tar. Hell I don’t think this is even about Diano anymore. It’s about the severe lack of information that we have. We can’t take anything for sure or at face value until we have something absolutely concrete. Does this make me a hypocrite? Yeah. Assuming that gato was for sure a neutral was silly of me and I can recognize that. But let me repeat myself. We cannot hold anything for absolute certain until we have something of true substance (ie. them being dead or getting investigated)

Now I may very well be rambling and my thoughts may change come morning, as I have gotten very little sleep recently. And with that, for now, I bid you all adieu. 

 We are basically talking about separate things since I wasn't ignoring detective. I think you're right if we ignore Banan's read on Gato.

The rest is also correct I suppose, especially that we lack info so I'm gonna try to make another list. That's another downside of roleblocking, mafia will obviously target the roles so we can't gain info from that. The only non-special kill this game was Dry and that's just because he was a huge analyst. If only Vitus still played... *Sigh*

Real quickly, Tarasque, can you confirm that you were indeed roleblocked by Dinao in one of the last few nights? (I don't remember which)

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As you all wake up, you brace yourselves for another scene of chaos and bloodshed. And well, you find that. There’s blood and broken glass everywhere, and curiously, three sets of footprints. There isn’t a corpse in sight. A small note lays on the floor, small in the grand scene before you. It reads, “You’re welcome Naner. Signed, the First Responder.”

It is currently Day. Begin. 

 Perfect. Now let’s go down the list. Banan, who did you investigate and Diano who did you block?

 I was blocked

 Hoping that wouldn't happen, but it makes sense.

Ok different method of formatting here then before, this list is less my own thoughts and more who can and can't possibly be mafia.

Hard Clear, no objections about it: Gibber, Naner

Practically guaranteed clear: Dinao

Pseudo-cleared, but not fully (roleblocked): Tarr, PJ

Everyone else, does have a chance of being mafia: Augur, Himy, EJO, Wes, Ghost

Most likely 3/5 of the people in that last category are mafia, but Tarr and PJ are not fully cleared from suspicion. So 3/7.

Gtg for prbly today, when I get back can one of y'all tell me the prime suspects and all the evidence? (Ik this is a lot sry)

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I'm paranoid about dying each night so I'm gonna say it before day ends any second now. I find himy to be the most suspicious at the moment. Both accusing Dinao and the whole seeming to know Gato was neutral and not mafia thing. I'm making this quick because I gtg but wanted to point that out just in case.

 I never said gato wasn’t mafia. I was going with the previously mentioned established notion that gato was neutral. Y’know, what pretty much everyone was saying before hand. So by that logic, you would be sus, PJ would be sus, everyone would be sus. Then when I called out gato, I stated that there’s a 1/4 chance that he’s mafia.

As for Diano idk man I ain’t got much of a defense for that. He’s just weird and hard to get a good read on. It’s like trying to glean meaning from a book in a different language for me. 

 This is false. I skimmed back through the last day and there didn't seem to be any notion that Gato was neutral besides the one that you brought up. Also I think it would be 1/4 chance of being neutral, not mafia, but I'm not gonna sus you for a mathematical error. Regardless you only did that later.

I agree Dinao acts weird and I would understand thinking some of his behavior is generally suspicious, but like if someone is a confirmed townie then just why accuse them? 

I am willing to just keep an eye on you, since this doesn't seem like enough evidence for a vote at the moment, but I don't want to not speak up about things I find sus.

 Maybe Im just tweaking but I swear that we were previously referring to him as neutral. And I said 1/4 because there are 12 people still alive, 3 mafia and one neutral, in addition to the 8 townsfolk. It appears I am incredibly stupid and made a mistake, because that should then be 1/3. In my defense, I never said I was good at math

Also, remember the game before last? Where monks was dead set on the idea that PJ and EJO were inno? There’s no such thing as a guarantee. Sure, it’s most probable that Diano is indeed jailor, but you can never be sure. Im not saying that my accusation was perfect or just, but I wouldn’t call it suspicious to go against the status quo (Im not sure if that’s the right phrase but it sounds close enough so I’m sticking with it) 

 No, Banan confirmed that Gato was neutral or mafia. Theres 3 mafia and 1 neutral. 1/4

Yes, I remember that game very well, but the thing is PJ and EJO had nothing to clear them. Monks just thought they were innocent for voting out a mafia. Dinao is actually clear through things other then behavior, I don't really know where you're going with this

 Am I tweaking? Was I right the first time or no? If theres 12 people (and after a check there may have been only 11 at the time of gato’s death) and 4 of them aren’t townside, shouldn’t that be 1/3 odds of any given person being non town? For the sake of that statement, Im ignoring detective and such. Maybe we’re just talking about separate things 

The point Im trying to make is that nothing is set it stone until either the person is dead or you are. Like I said previously, yes, it’s most likely that Diano is indeed the jailor. But full clearing him without a search? He supposedly blocked tar, who neither confirmed nor denied the fact, so we can’t even get anything from that. Has no one else claimed jailor? No. So the most likely scenario is that gato is indeed jailor (which Ive already said multiple times) but theres always the chance that he’s lying..

Which is all to say: We know pretty much nothing. That is a problem. The only people we can for sure clear are you and banan  (which changes very little) we can only pseudo clear PJ and tar. Hell I don’t think this is even about Diano anymore. It’s about the severe lack of information that we have. We can’t take anything for sure or at face value until we have something absolutely concrete. Does this make me a hypocrite? Yeah. Assuming that gato was for sure a neutral was silly of me and I can recognize that. But let me repeat myself. We cannot hold anything for absolute certain until we have something of true substance (ie. them being dead or getting investigated)

Now I may very well be rambling and my thoughts may change come morning, as I have gotten very little sleep recently. And with that, for now, I bid you all adieu. 

 We are basically talking about separate things since I wasn't ignoring detective. I think you're right if we ignore Banan's read on Gato.

The rest is also correct I suppose, especially that we lack info so I'm gonna try to make another list. That's another downside of roleblocking, mafia will obviously target the roles so we can't gain info from that. The only non-special kill this game was Dry and that's just because he was a huge analyst. If only Vitus still played... *Sigh*

Real quickly, Tarasque, can you confirm that you were indeed roleblocked by Dinao in one of the last few nights? (I don't remember which)

 I was indeed roleblocked yes

Tar Tar hi! 

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 ITS WILD BANANER 

Tarr, PJ, Augur, Himy, EJO, Wes, Ghost

3/7 of these people are mafia. Some people that are less likely:

Ghost has made one post on the thread total. And that was just claiming vanilla townie. They're overall extremely inactive, aren't even really on the platform anymore (last active 3 days ago) so it's almost definitely not a 300 IQ mafia play. In fact this inactivity kinda pseudo clears them I think, they physically can only be a mafia detective and even then I heavily doubt that possibility.

Tarasque, as we've established before, can only be the mafia detective as well. So 3 times less likely to be mafia compared to others. That is still a chance, though, and they haven't really been partaking in discussion so could just be laying low.

Also, random niche feautre for DDB that's actually kinda useful for analysis here, if you go to a thread (like the title thingy from the forums page or the creator profile), then click on the number of replies on it, you can see top posters and also see specific people's posts on the thread. It's neat for looking for irregularities in behavior and analysing people one by one rather then scrolling through the thread where you have a higher chance of missing things.

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Tarr, PJ, Augur, Himy, EJO, Wes, Ghost

3/7 of these people are mafia. Some people that are less likely:

Ghost has made one post on the thread total. And that was just claiming vanilla townie. They're overall extremely inactive, aren't even really on the platform anymore (last active 3 days ago) so it's almost definitely not a 300 IQ mafia play. In fact this inactivity kinda pseudo clears them I think, they physically can only be a mafia detective and even then I heavily doubt that possibility.

Tarasque, as we've established before, can only be the mafia detective as well. So 3 times less likely to be mafia compared to others. That is still a chance, though, and they haven't really been partaking in discussion so could just be laying low.

Also, random niche feautre for DDB that's actually kinda useful for analysis here, if you go to a thread (like the title thingy from the forums page or the creator profile), then click on the number of replies on it, you can see top posters and also see specific people's posts on the thread. It's neat for looking for irregularities in behavior and analysing people one by one rather then scrolling through the thread where you have a higher chance of missing things.

 I'm not BIOHACK >:(