I would rather like to stop talking about this, as I have had freinds cut me off and refuse to speak to me for even talking about AI. all I see is a tool. you dont have to use the specific tool, but its a tool thats avalible and its people choices whether or not to use it
I respect that decision, and remember, you can back out and just not respond if there's already been statements to leave it be even if you get more responses (which you said twice)
I think you're expecting to find extremists in us simply for making this discussion, bringing your previous experiences unfairly into this one. I get that sometimes you disagree with someone and you just don't want to discuss it and stay friends, but some topics are worth more and are bigger than just being friends. I'm sure you'd understand If someone didn't just ignore a person being racist or homophobic so as not to stir up any tension
...I literally did get it from Googling, I just didn't check whether or not it was AI-Generated.
Oh I was under the impression you generated it yourself, my mistake.
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I would rather like to stop talking about this, as I have had freinds cut me off and refuse to speak to me for even talking about AI. all I see is a tool. you dont have to use the specific tool, but its a tool thats avalible and its people choices whether or not to use it
I respect that decision, and remember, you can back out and just not respond if there's already been statements to leave it be even if you get more responses (which you said twice)
I think you're expecting to find extremists in us simply for making this discussion, bringing your previous experiences unfairly into this one. I get that sometimes you disagree with someone and you just don't want to discuss it and stay friends, but some topics are worth more and are bigger than just being friends. I'm sure you'd understand If someone didn't just ignore a person being racist or homophobic so as not to stir up any tension
Ngl being racist or homophobic is not as bad as using AI, unless you use it in really bad ways. My dad's an AI guy but I only talk about it with him when it's brought up and even then I try to be civil.
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I would rather like to stop talking about this, as I have had freinds cut me off and refuse to speak to me for even talking about AI. all I see is a tool. you dont have to use the specific tool, but its a tool thats avalible and its people choices whether or not to use it
I respect that decision, and remember, you can back out and just not respond if there's already been statements to leave it be even if you get more responses (which you said twice)
I think you're expecting to find extremists in us simply for making this discussion, bringing your previous experiences unfairly into this one. I get that sometimes you disagree with someone and you just don't want to discuss it and stay friends, but some topics are worth more and are bigger than just being friends. I'm sure you'd understand If someone didn't just ignore a person being racist or homophobic so as not to stir up any tension
Ngl being racist or homophobic is not as bad as using AI, unless you use it in really bad ways. My dad's an AI guy but I only talk about it with him when it's brought up and even then I try to be civil.
My dad is an AI guy too.
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My titles are the great Silver Dragon Lord of the Sky, Second in Command of the Dragon Cult, High Warlock of Cynophobia, High Cultist of Jeff, The Lightning Mage. I’m a ✨Chronically online teenage boy✨, and one of the most active posters on the forums (MORE THAN SALEM AND GONZALO). Always open to talk if you’d like to shoot me a PM! Please don’t hesitate to tell me I’m being a jerk or overbearing, I love helpful feedback! Love y’all!
Ngl being racist or homophobic is not as bad as using AI, unless you use it in really bad ways. My dad's an AI guy but I only talk about it with him when it's brought up and even then I try to be civil.
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Ngl being racist or homophobic is not as bad as using AI, unless you use it in really bad ways. My dad's an AI guy but I only talk about it with him when it's brought up and even then I try to be civil.
*looks at robot that has been partially codded by AI* about that....
Im not saying that what the AI gives is a finished product, we had to do some work on it, but it gets a lot done quickly. the same can be said for art, what the AI spits out needs work, and by using AI tools the entire process gets much faster.
(Keep in mind that I am against AI art, I just dont think we should mob anyone who uses it, its there choice*
This post and your previous posts in this discussion suggest that you have bought into the spin that the various AI startups and such are selling, which is that their models are highly intelligent! They’re on the verge of true artificial intelligence! With just 1 billion dollars of seed money, we can make the jobreplacinator (tm) and prevent humans doing anything ever!
It’s also horseshit, to put it mildly. Apple’s R&D department recently put out a very interesting study/report, it’s worth a read. It proves fairly conclusively that the brand-name LLMS (Claude, Deepseek, etc), are not actually thinking at all; they’re instead ripping their solutions straight from the internet. Once they reach a certain threshold of difficulty in logic puzzles (one of the examples used in the study was Tower of Hanoi) they cannot complete it; no matter how much processing power is thrown at them. It’s another facet of “ChatGPT can’t make a full wine glass”.
At their core, LLMS are probability based compilation software. They scrape the internet (often illegally reusing copyrighted material, as has been previously covered - the only reason these companies aren’t backs against the wall in this regard is that the sheer quantity of amalgamation makes it very difficult to prove any one copyright infringement; second, those billions of dollars I mentioned) and spew out a response based on the probability of certain words following other words.
Both these models and the AI “industry” as a whole suffers from the age-old computing problem of shit in, shit out. While it may seem as if business is booming in the world of AI, it has actually added next to nothing to any company’s economic output; it’s only the sheer volume of money being poured into the concept that creates the illusion of success. It’s a very similar lead up to the dot com bubble, actually, hundreds (or even thousands) of startups and seed money cowboys taking advantage of the flood of capital without any real product involved. Add on behemoths like Google adding AI to every one of their ******* products as if it’s corn syrup, and you have a perfect economic illusion. Money in means money out, simply because those companies have dividends and wages to pay. WIRED magazine had an excellent issue on this, and they’re normally very gung-ho about new tech; their scepticism is worth mentioning.
As has been well publicised, LLMS suffer greatly from the “shit out” problem - much of the ‘innovation!’ that has gone into models like GPT-4 is much more likely guardrails to prevent the shit being so obvious - I imagine, not being able to stifle my conscience and scepticism enough to actually use the models for any purpose, that it is much less likely to make up citations now, for instance. Fundamentally, much like Sam Altman’s headline news apocalypse prepping a while ago, it’s a PR stunt to sell a product that doesn’t actually exist.
The problems it causes and ones it has drawn attention to, however - data farms, the environmental cost of chips, and more (Taiwan comes to mind), are very real, and by using it and defending it you reveal not only your own laziness but your misunderstanding of what the product is and what it does. To use your example, that code is not AI-original, it is stolen from many other people. Why would you get some shit product to make slop code when you can just make it right the first time without pointlessly using resources? Even proponents of the AI “industry” have said it would not function without ripping copyrighted material from all over the internet, and you’re enabling and encouraging them by using it.
It’s not the future, it’s dead shit. Dead shit that’s either a vehicle for money laundering or ticking, economic time bomb, depending on the extent of the tech industry’s deception on the concept’s capabilities.
Ngl being racist or homophobic is not as bad as using AI, unless you use it in really bad ways. My dad's an AI guy but I only talk about it with him when it's brought up and even then I try to be civil.
Technically I think it's racism killing people. I mean, if everyone were viewed as equal, all the machinery or whatnot mentioned there would not be near everyone. But some people are still viewed as 'lesser' or 'expendable' by the people in power, so they get no protection.
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If you're interested in learning about them, here are my Endless Dark characters: Alexius, Suixela, and Tortuga.
Ngl being racist or homophobic is not as bad as using AI, unless you use it in really bad ways. My dad's an AI guy but I only talk about it with him when it's brought up and even then I try to be civil.
Technically I think it's racism killing people. I mean, if everyone were viewed as equal, all the machinery or whatnot mentioned there would not be near everyone. But some people are still viewed as 'lesser' or 'expendable' by the people in power, so they get no protection.
Technically people aren’t dying from racism, they’re dying from the various weapons and tools racists are using to kill them. So we should probably stop promoting tools that are being used by racists to kill minorities, since we can’t magically get rid of all racists.
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I respect that decision, and remember, you can back out and just not respond if there's already been statements to leave it be even if you get more responses (which you said twice)
I think you're expecting to find extremists in us simply for making this discussion, bringing your previous experiences unfairly into this one. I get that sometimes you disagree with someone and you just don't want to discuss it and stay friends, but some topics are worth more and are bigger than just being friends. I'm sure you'd understand If someone didn't just ignore a person being racist or homophobic so as not to stir up any tension
Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head
Clang! Clang! Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that she was dead
Oh I was under the impression you generated it yourself, my mistake.
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It's fine. It's an easy possibility to overlook.
If you're interested in learning about them, here are my Endless Dark characters: Alexius, Suixela, and Tortuga.
And here is the updated version of my quiz: Quiz.
Here is my background music for combat: On Soundcloud.
Life Advice: If someone annoys you, just cast Prestidigitation on them and soil their pants.
And here is my extended signature: (^v^)
Ngl being racist or homophobic is not as bad as using AI, unless you use it in really bad ways. My dad's an AI guy but I only talk about it with him when it's brought up and even then I try to be civil.
Hello! I am a perfectly sane gibberer. Hi! :D
Locations are dead, the Temple of Potassium has fallen but its ideals live on
A mysterious link of chain... (Extended signature). PRAISE JEFF THE EVIL ROOMBA! REALLY cool video.
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My dad is an AI guy too.
My titles are the great Silver Dragon Lord of the Sky, Second in Command of the Dragon Cult, High Warlock of Cynophobia, High Cultist of Jeff, The Lightning Mage. I’m a ✨Chronically online teenage boy✨, and one of the most active posters on the forums (MORE THAN SALEM AND GONZALO). Always open to talk if you’d like to shoot me a PM! Please don’t hesitate to tell me I’m being a jerk or overbearing, I love helpful feedback! Love y’all!
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Using AI kills people. Specifically minorities. https://www.techpolicy.press/progress-shouldnt-poison-black-communities/
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Hello! I am a perfectly sane gibberer. Hi! :D
Locations are dead, the Temple of Potassium has fallen but its ideals live on
A mysterious link of chain... (Extended signature). PRAISE JEFF THE EVIL ROOMBA! REALLY cool video.
One of the Warlock Patrons on the forums. Low, low price of your soul, your firstborn child and your liver!
Titles: The Echoing Story Spewer from Drummer, the Endless Maws from Isis, the Mad Murderer from PJ
This post and your previous posts in this discussion suggest that you have bought into the spin that the various AI startups and such are selling, which is that their models are highly intelligent! They’re on the verge of true artificial intelligence! With just 1 billion dollars of seed money, we can make the jobreplacinator (tm) and prevent humans doing anything ever!
It’s also horseshit, to put it mildly. Apple’s R&D department recently put out a very interesting study/report, it’s worth a read. It proves fairly conclusively that the brand-name LLMS (Claude, Deepseek, etc), are not actually thinking at all; they’re instead ripping their solutions straight from the internet. Once they reach a certain threshold of difficulty in logic puzzles (one of the examples used in the study was Tower of Hanoi) they cannot complete it; no matter how much processing power is thrown at them. It’s another facet of “ChatGPT can’t make a full wine glass”.
At their core, LLMS are probability based compilation software. They scrape the internet (often illegally reusing copyrighted material, as has been previously covered - the only reason these companies aren’t backs against the wall in this regard is that the sheer quantity of amalgamation makes it very difficult to prove any one copyright infringement; second, those billions of dollars I mentioned) and spew out a response based on the probability of certain words following other words.
Both these models and the AI “industry” as a whole suffers from the age-old computing problem of shit in, shit out. While it may seem as if business is booming in the world of AI, it has actually added next to nothing to any company’s economic output; it’s only the sheer volume of money being poured into the concept that creates the illusion of success. It’s a very similar lead up to the dot com bubble, actually, hundreds (or even thousands) of startups and seed money cowboys taking advantage of the flood of capital without any real product involved. Add on behemoths like Google adding AI to every one of their ******* products as if it’s corn syrup, and you have a perfect economic illusion. Money in means money out, simply because those companies have dividends and wages to pay. WIRED magazine had an excellent issue on this, and they’re normally very gung-ho about new tech; their scepticism is worth mentioning.
As has been well publicised, LLMS suffer greatly from the “shit out” problem - much of the ‘innovation!’ that has gone into models like GPT-4 is much more likely guardrails to prevent the shit being so obvious - I imagine, not being able to stifle my conscience and scepticism enough to actually use the models for any purpose, that it is much less likely to make up citations now, for instance. Fundamentally, much like Sam Altman’s headline news apocalypse prepping a while ago, it’s a PR stunt to sell a product that doesn’t actually exist.
The problems it causes and ones it has drawn attention to, however - data farms, the environmental cost of chips, and more (Taiwan comes to mind), are very real, and by using it and defending it you reveal not only your own laziness but your misunderstanding of what the product is and what it does. To use your example, that code is not AI-original, it is stolen from many other people. Why would you get some shit product to make slop code when you can just make it right the first time without pointlessly using resources? Even proponents of the AI “industry” have said it would not function without ripping copyrighted material from all over the internet, and you’re enabling and encouraging them by using it.
It’s not the future, it’s dead shit. Dead shit that’s either a vehicle for money laundering or ticking, economic time bomb, depending on the extent of the tech industry’s deception on the concept’s capabilities.
I can’t remember what’s supposed to go here.
Technically I think it's racism killing people. I mean, if everyone were viewed as equal, all the machinery or whatnot mentioned there would not be near everyone. But some people are still viewed as 'lesser' or 'expendable' by the people in power, so they get no protection.
If you're interested in learning about them, here are my Endless Dark characters: Alexius, Suixela, and Tortuga.
And here is the updated version of my quiz: Quiz.
Here is my background music for combat: On Soundcloud.
Life Advice: If someone annoys you, just cast Prestidigitation on them and soil their pants.
And here is my extended signature: (^v^)
*Got to go.*
If you're interested in learning about them, here are my Endless Dark characters: Alexius, Suixela, and Tortuga.
And here is the updated version of my quiz: Quiz.
Here is my background music for combat: On Soundcloud.
Life Advice: If someone annoys you, just cast Prestidigitation on them and soil their pants.
And here is my extended signature: (^v^)
Technically people aren’t dying from racism, they’re dying from the various weapons and tools racists are using to kill them. So we should probably stop promoting tools that are being used by racists to kill minorities, since we can’t magically get rid of all racists.
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They don’t have anything else. There is no true artificial intelligence. That’s just the spin. Did you read my post?
I can’t remember what’s supposed to go here.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
May each word that I speak be backed by each of my teeth.
Agreed
Hello! I am a perfectly sane gibberer. Hi! :D
Locations are dead, the Temple of Potassium has fallen but its ideals live on
A mysterious link of chain... (Extended signature). PRAISE JEFF THE EVIL ROOMBA! REALLY cool video.
One of the Warlock Patrons on the forums. Low, low price of your soul, your firstborn child and your liver!
Titles: The Echoing Story Spewer from Drummer, the Endless Maws from Isis, the Mad Murderer from PJ
That was quite the battle.
Wait Golden how'd you get a custom title? (At least I think it is)
Also I JUST REALIZED THEY REMOVED LOCATIONS
Hello! I am a perfectly sane gibberer. Hi! :D
Locations are dead, the Temple of Potassium has fallen but its ideals live on
A mysterious link of chain... (Extended signature). PRAISE JEFF THE EVIL ROOMBA! REALLY cool video.
One of the Warlock Patrons on the forums. Low, low price of your soul, your firstborn child and your liver!
Titles: The Echoing Story Spewer from Drummer, the Endless Maws from Isis, the Mad Murderer from PJ
WHAT
Those were so funny. I've also been wondering about the custom title.
Woah, they did... that's kinda crazy.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
May each word that I speak be backed by each of my teeth.
We all need to include it in our signatures as retaliation.