Forge Cleric 1/War Wizard 2, has the spel slots of a 3rd level caster, 4 1st level and 2 2nd level..
Can the cleric, since they “know” all class spells, prepare and cast a 2nd level spell? Or are they limited to upcasting a 1st leve? Likewise, can the Wizard cast level 2 rituals or spells, should they have them in the book?
As per the rules on multiclassing, you treat each class separately when it comes to spells known and prepared. So at Cleric 1/Wizard 2 the character only knows 1st level spells. You can still upcast spells using the 2nd level spellslots, but won't have access to 2nd level spells until you reach Cleric 3 or Wizard 3.
The benefit of multiclassing is versatility, as you have access to two spell lists. The drawback is less focus/power, as you increase spell levels at a slower rate and will miss out on some of the high level spells altogether.
Ritual spells for Wizards still have to be in your spellbook, and you can only copy spells into your spellbook if they're of a level you can prepare, the same as above.
If you want cleric for healing and forge for making stuff then artificer may be better in a combo with wizard. You can focus more on intelligence and combat relevant stats, you can access the cure wounds spell and, if you start with artificer or if you DM allows you to swap things out, then you can get con save proficiency for maintaining your concentration spells.
If you're mixing Forge Cleric and War Wizard for the theme then ignore all that.
Forge Cleric 1/War Wizard 2, has the spel slots of a 3rd level caster, 4 1st level and 2 2nd level..
Can the cleric, since they “know” all class spells, prepare and cast a 2nd level spell? Or are they limited to upcasting a 1st leve? Likewise, can the Wizard cast level 2 rituals or spells, should they have them in the book?
Gruntler covered this already, but to cover the weeds:
Clerics don't know any leveled spells from their class spellcasting - they know their cantrips and prepare their leveled spells. Only one class in the game both knows and prepares leveled spells - wizards. For everyone else, the two categories are mutually exclusive. If they do achieve a state where they know a cleric spell - and there are several ways to do this, one of which your character already has access to, namely having a spell in their spellbook which is both a wizard spell and a cleric spell - knowing the cleric spell won't interact with their cleric spellcasting.
As Gruntler covered, you'll prepare and know spells as if you weren't multiclassed, and you'll cast your prepared spells normally.
The multiclassing spellcasting rules were written when wizards didn't know any spells. Then they were errataed to know spells - post-errata, a wizard by definition knows the spells in their spellbook. The multiclassing spellcasting rules were not updated in response, which means ever since there's been a flaw in them. By universal consensus, this flaw is ignored - absolutely no-one plays the rules RAW, and dndbeyond's character handler will similarly ignore the problem and have you work your spells as listed above. In the interest of completeness, here's the rule you're expected to ignore:
I.e. despite the text above, a ranger 4/wizard 3 does not gain the ability to use their higher level spell slots to cast the spells they know, and similarly, neither do you. If you did, you'd be able to use your L2 spell slots to cast L1 wizard spells you know - the ones in your spellbook - without needing to prepare them. Instead, by universal accord, multiclass spell slots are simply spell slots you have access to, and you cast from them using your wizard and cleric rules, i.e. you use them in both cases to only cast prepared spells.
Forge Cleric 1/War Wizard 2, has the spel slots of a 3rd level caster, 4 1st level and 2 2nd level..
Can the cleric, since they “know” all class spells, prepare and cast a 2nd level spell? Or are they limited to upcasting a 1st leve? Likewise, can the Wizard cast level 2 rituals or spells, should they have them in the book?
Gruntler covered this already, but to cover the weeds:
Clerics don't know any leveled spells from their class spellcasting - they know their cantrips and prepare their leveled spells. Only one class in the game both knows and prepares leveled spells - wizards. For everyone else, the two categories are mutually exclusive. If they do achieve a state where they know a cleric spell - and there are several ways to do this, one of which your character already has access to, namely having a spell in their spellbook which is both a wizard spell and a cleric spell - knowing the cleric spell won't interact with their cleric spellcasting.
As Gruntler covered, you'll prepare and know spells as if you weren't multiclassed, and you'll cast your prepared spells normally.
The multiclassing spellcasting rules were written when wizards didn't know any spells. Then they were errataed to know spells - post-errata, a wizard by definition knows the spells in their spellbook. The multiclassing spellcasting rules were not updated in response, which means ever since there's been a flaw in them. By universal consensus, this flaw is ignored - absolutely no-one plays the rules RAW, and dndbeyond's character handler will similarly ignore the problem and have you work your spells as listed above. In the interest of completeness, here's the rule you're expected to ignore:
I.e. despite the text above, a ranger 4/wizard 3 does not gain the ability to use their higher level spell slots to cast the spells they know, and similarly, neither do you. If you did, you'd be able to use your L2 spell slots to cast L1 wizard spells you know - the ones in your spellbook - without needing to prepare them. Instead, by universal accord, multiclass spell slots are simply spell slots you have access to, and you cast from them using your wizard and cleric rules, i.e. you use them in both cases to only cast prepared spells.
This is the kind of stuff we get on these forums when people try to parse rather than understand how to use the rules.
Forge Cleric 1/War Wizard 2, has the spel slots of a 3rd level caster, 4 1st level and 2 2nd level..
Can the cleric, since they “know” all class spells, prepare and cast a 2nd level spell? Or are they limited to upcasting a 1st leve? Likewise, can the Wizard cast level 2 rituals or spells, should they have them in the book?
Gruntler covered this already, but to cover the weeds:
Clerics don't know any leveled spells from their class spellcasting - they know their cantrips and prepare their leveled spells. Only one class in the game both knows and prepares leveled spells - wizards. For everyone else, the two categories are mutually exclusive. If they do achieve a state where they know a cleric spell - and there are several ways to do this, one of which your character already has access to, namely having a spell in their spellbook which is both a wizard spell and a cleric spell - knowing the cleric spell won't interact with their cleric spellcasting.
As Gruntler covered, you'll prepare and know spells as if you weren't multiclassed, and you'll cast your prepared spells normally.
The multiclassing spellcasting rules were written when wizards didn't know any spells. Then they were errataed to know spells - post-errata, a wizard by definition knows the spells in their spellbook. The multiclassing spellcasting rules were not updated in response, which means ever since there's been a flaw in them. By universal consensus, this flaw is ignored - absolutely no-one plays the rules RAW, and dndbeyond's character handler will similarly ignore the problem and have you work your spells as listed above. In the interest of completeness, here's the rule you're expected to ignore:
I.e. despite the text above, a ranger 4/wizard 3 does not gain the ability to use their higher level spell slots to cast the spells they know, and similarly, neither do you. If you did, you'd be able to use your L2 spell slots to cast L1 wizard spells you know - the ones in your spellbook - without needing to prepare them. Instead, by universal accord, multiclass spell slots are simply spell slots you have access to, and you cast from them using your wizard and cleric rules, i.e. you use them in both cases to only cast prepared spells.
This is the kind of stuff we get on these forums when people try to parse rather than understand how to use the rules.
Especially when the "contentious" word is in an example rather than the core explanation as to how multiclass spellcasting works.
Thanks for the replies so far. To give more context, as I made the character, I assumed the character was limited to first level spells with the potential for upcasting, as seems to be the consensus here. I only questioned that when I saw this here on DND Beyond:
You prepare the list of cleric spells that are available for you to cast, choosing from the cleric spell list. When you do so, choose a number of cleric spells equal to your Wisdom modifier + your cleric level (minimum of one spell). The spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots.
Since I have second level spell slots, that implied I could prep second level spells, at least from the cleric list due to the way clerics get spells as opposed to the Wizard. I then started wondering about ritual casting in that light.
As for the character, I chose Forge Cleric & War Wizard on a hill dwarf for maximum AC, HP and saves at level 3 because it is for a survival horror campaign.
This is a common issue with understanding multiclass spell casters. Remember that that sentence comes from your cleric spell casting feature, and that feature presumes the slots in the cleric table, meaning you only consider those slots when selecting spells, rather than the ones in the MC rules.
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Forge Cleric 1/War Wizard 2, has the spel slots of a 3rd level caster, 4 1st level and 2 2nd level..
Can the cleric, since they “know” all class spells, prepare and cast a 2nd level spell? Or are they limited to upcasting a 1st leve? Likewise, can the Wizard cast level 2 rituals or spells, should they have them in the book?
As per the rules on multiclassing, you treat each class separately when it comes to spells known and prepared. So at Cleric 1/Wizard 2 the character only knows 1st level spells. You can still upcast spells using the 2nd level spellslots, but won't have access to 2nd level spells until you reach Cleric 3 or Wizard 3.
The benefit of multiclassing is versatility, as you have access to two spell lists. The drawback is less focus/power, as you increase spell levels at a slower rate and will miss out on some of the high level spells altogether.
Ritual spells for Wizards still have to be in your spellbook, and you can only copy spells into your spellbook if they're of a level you can prepare, the same as above.
If you want cleric for healing and forge for making stuff then artificer may be better in a combo with wizard. You can focus more on intelligence and combat relevant stats, you can access the cure wounds spell and, if you start with artificer or if you DM allows you to swap things out, then you can get con save proficiency for maintaining your concentration spells.
If you're mixing Forge Cleric and War Wizard for the theme then ignore all that.
Gruntler covered this already, but to cover the weeds:
This is the kind of stuff we get on these forums when people try to parse rather than understand how to use the rules.
Especially when the "contentious" word is in an example rather than the core explanation as to how multiclass spellcasting works.
Thanks for the replies so far. To give more context, as I made the character, I assumed the character was limited to first level spells with the potential for upcasting, as seems to be the consensus here. I only questioned that when I saw this here on DND Beyond:
You prepare the list of cleric spells that are available for you to cast, choosing from the cleric spell list. When you do so, choose a number of cleric spells equal to your Wisdom modifier + your cleric level (minimum of one spell). The spells must be of a level for which you have spell slots.
Since I have second level spell slots, that implied I could prep second level spells, at least from the cleric list due to the way clerics get spells as opposed to the Wizard. I then started wondering about ritual casting in that light.
As for the character, I chose Forge Cleric & War Wizard on a hill dwarf for maximum AC, HP and saves at level 3 because it is for a survival horror campaign.
This is a common issue with understanding multiclass spell casters. Remember that that sentence comes from your cleric spell casting feature, and that feature presumes the slots in the cleric table, meaning you only consider those slots when selecting spells, rather than the ones in the MC rules.