A creature is prone at your feet, and uses half its movement to stand up. Does this provoke an opportunity attack? The RAW seem pretty clear that it doesn't:
"You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. To make the opportunity attack, you use your reaction to make one melee attack against the provoking creature. The attack occurs right before the creature leaves your reach."
However, it seems to me that it is reasonable that someone slowly dragging themselves to their feet right in front of you would provoke an opportunity attack (unless the creature uses the disengage action while standing). Thoughts?
I personally think it does not warrant an opportunity attack, for the simple fact that the creature is not moving from your threat area, they are merely standing up from within it.
If it would work as you suggest, then any action other than disegnage or attack could be possible triggers for an opportunity attack (casting a spell, drinking a potion, making any kind of skill check) as they would follow the same principle of the creature doing "something that can give an opening).
Also worth noting that standing up from prone and whatever other action the creature decides to take in that turn are not necessarily disjointed: if you want to attack in the same turn you stand up your attack could well be part of your movement of standing up, as could be the casting of a spell; if you decide to take the disengage action to move further away the "problem" solves itself, and in case you want to do anything else, you are still very much aware that you have someone that is right above you waiting to attack you.
The attack of opportunity is something that, at least for me, is result of movement outside of threat area without disengage action for one of the following reasons: overconfidence (my AC is high enough that I won't be hit); not caring (I have buttloads of HP, I can take one hit); fear (failing morale can overcome your capacity to think in terms of cause-effect and just leave you with the survival instinct of "I gotta get away"); dumbness (too stupid to make 1+1); forced movement (magical or otherwise).
The only thing that provokes an opportunity attack is moving out of a creature's reach. The fact that it eats up half your movement doesn't necessarily imply it's a slow process. There's no defined duration for a turn, let alone actions and movement within a turn.
There's all sorts of things that could reasonably provoke an attack of opportunity, and in previous editions many actions did. The current rules favor simplicity.
I personally think it does not warrant an opportunity attack, for the simple fact that the creature is not moving from your threat area, they are merely standing up from within it.
If it would work as you suggest, then any action other than disegnage or attack could be possible triggers for an opportunity attack (casting a spell, drinking a potion, making any kind of skill check) as they would follow the same principle of the creature doing "something that can give an opening).
If it would work as you suggest, then any action other than disengage or attack could be possible triggers for an opportunity attack (casting a spell, drinking a potion, making any kind of skill check) as they would follow the same principle of the creature doing "something that can give an opening).
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The only way to provoke an OA is to move out of the threat range of the creature. This can be done by choice or by force, just to clarify a little more. Thunderwave pushes a creature out of the threat range of the fighter, the fighter is not moved by thunderwave, the fighter gets an OA.
A lot of the things that used to allow opportunity attacks now have disadvantage/advantage rules attached to them instead.
The only way to provoke an OA is to move out of the threat range of the creature. This can be done by choice or by force, just to clarify a little more. Thunderwave pushes a creature out of the threat range of the fighter, the fighter is not moved by thunderwave, the fighter gets an OA.
You don't provoke an opportunity attack if something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction. Thunderwave pushes its targets without using any of those. Dissonant Whispers is the go-to spell for forcing opportunity attacks.
The only way to provoke an OA is to move out of the threat range of the creature. This can be done by choice or by force, just to clarify a little more. Thunderwave pushes a creature out of the threat range of the fighter, the fighter is not moved by thunderwave, the fighter gets an OA.
You don't provoke an opportunity attack if something moves you without using your movement, action, or reaction. Thunderwave pushes its targets without using any of those. Dissonant Whispers is the go-to spell for forcing opportunity attacks.
I misunderstood that, thanks for the clarification.
What do you think? Can you make an Opportunity Attack against a Boar that has knocked you Prone and continues it's movement out of your reach? The rules would say yes (at a disadvantage), but it feels a bit silly to me.
I think of it like Assassin's Creed Origins & Odyssey where you do a roll to get up. It keeps you mobile, but gets you on your feet -- Therefore, no AoO.
What do you think? Can you make an Opportunity Attack against a Boar that has knocked you Prone and continues it's movement out of your reach? The rules would say yes (at a disadvantage), but it feels a bit silly to me.
Not a boar. but my gloomstalker had been knocked prone, and unconscious. nat 20'd his death save. came to, demanded his potion of climbing back from a slave trader, got knocked unconscious again, then attacked while unconscious for the 2 fails, then nat 20'd the death save again! Rogue came over and attacked the 2 over my now, still prone, but conscious again gloomstalker. One leaves to deal with rogue, the gloomstalker, on the ground, prone, twice back from unconsciousness, tkaes his disadvantaged attack of opportunity and actually kills the guy who walked towards the rogue.
Stranger things happen every day than a disadvantaged attack at a boar that runs past you.
You guys. Moving out of someone's attack range is NOT the only thing that triggers attack of opportunity. It's also triggered if someone moves THROUGH your attack range. And I say, standing up is moving, because it takes movement speed, and if that movement takes place INSIDE someone's attack range, then I say yes it triggers an opportunity attack. Plus it makes perfect sense. Of course you're going to be vulnerable while standing up. Also, this gives a reason to attack while prone. Otherwise there's absolutely no reason to do that.
Welcome to 5th edition, where close quarter movement is a thing as long as you don't leave reach. What you're describing Keltor is a thing of past editions.
"You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach."
You guys. Moving out of someone's attack range is NOT the only thing that triggers attack of opportunity. It's also triggered if someone moves THROUGH your attack range. And I say, standing up is moving, because it takes movement speed, and if that movement takes place INSIDE someone's attack range, then I say yes it triggers an opportunity attack. Plus it makes perfect sense. Of course you're going to be vulnerable while standing up. Also, this gives a reason to attack while prone. Otherwise there's absolutely no reason to do that.
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. To make the opportunity attack, you use your reaction to make one melee attack against the provoking creature. The attack occurs right before the creature leaves your reach.
The only trigger for an opportunity attack is when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. There are no other triggers, unless they are introduced via a class feature, feat, item etc.
Other actions that used to trigger opportunity attacks in previous editions of D&D no longer do so.
You guys. Moving out of someone's attack range is NOT the only thing that triggers attack of opportunity. It's also triggered if someone moves THROUGH your attack range. And I say, standing up is moving, because it takes movement speed, and if that movement takes place INSIDE someone's attack range, then I say yes it triggers an opportunity attack. Plus it makes perfect sense. Of course you're going to be vulnerable while standing up. Also, this gives a reason to attack while prone. Otherwise there's absolutely no reason to do that.
You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. To make the opportunity attack, you use your reaction to make one melee attack against the provoking creature. The attack occurs right before the creature leaves your reach.
The only trigger for an opportunity attack is when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. There are no other triggers, unless they are introduced via a class feature, feat, item etc.
Other actions that used to trigger opportunity attacks in previous editions of D&D no longer do so.
Also, technically, moving THROUGH something means you get IN and OUT of that something, so effectively it would not create a secondary trigger, just that it would not necessarily mean that the movement needs to begin inside the threat zone/reach, but that it can also be triggered by moving from point A (outside of the reach zone) to point B (also outside the reach zone) using a path that would bring the target to step in and out of said threat zone.
RAW as long as you stay within range (5ft usually) it does not provoke opportunity attack. although it cost half your movement to get up you never get out of range.
The 5e rules on reach seem a little strange coming from past editions, but when you think about it, they replicate the dance of melee combatants in films much better. Two rapier-wielding swashbucklers trading quips and feints while circling each other just inside the reach of their blades is much closer to 5e's OA rules than the previous edition, where you were encouraged to stand toe-to-toe and never move lest you provoke.
(This is also why I don't use the optional Flanking rule -- it is now much easier to get into flanking position than it used to be, and stay there. So it's like giving out free advantage to anyone who can outnumber their opponents, which even further tips the scales towards encounters with lots of smaller enemies being far more deadly than encounters with a solo big-boss monster, and I feel those are already disappointing in 5e, without some serious changes)
A creature is prone at your feet, and uses half its movement to stand up. Does this provoke an opportunity attack? The RAW seem pretty clear that it doesn't:
"You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. To make the opportunity attack, you use your reaction to make one melee attack against the provoking creature. The attack occurs right before the creature leaves your reach."
However, it seems to me that it is reasonable that someone slowly dragging themselves to their feet right in front of you would provoke an opportunity attack (unless the creature uses the disengage action while standing). Thoughts?
I personally think it does not warrant an opportunity attack, for the simple fact that the creature is not moving from your threat area, they are merely standing up from within it.
If it would work as you suggest, then any action other than disegnage or attack could be possible triggers for an opportunity attack (casting a spell, drinking a potion, making any kind of skill check) as they would follow the same principle of the creature doing "something that can give an opening).
Also worth noting that standing up from prone and whatever other action the creature decides to take in that turn are not necessarily disjointed: if you want to attack in the same turn you stand up your attack could well be part of your movement of standing up, as could be the casting of a spell; if you decide to take the disengage action to move further away the "problem" solves itself, and in case you want to do anything else, you are still very much aware that you have someone that is right above you waiting to attack you.
The attack of opportunity is something that, at least for me, is result of movement outside of threat area without disengage action for one of the following reasons: overconfidence (my AC is high enough that I won't be hit); not caring (I have buttloads of HP, I can take one hit); fear (failing morale can overcome your capacity to think in terms of cause-effect and just leave you with the survival instinct of "I gotta get away"); dumbness (too stupid to make 1+1); forced movement (magical or otherwise).
This is my interpretation at least :)
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The only thing that provokes an opportunity attack is moving out of a creature's reach. The fact that it eats up half your movement doesn't necessarily imply it's a slow process. There's no defined duration for a turn, let alone actions and movement within a turn.
There's all sorts of things that could reasonably provoke an attack of opportunity, and in previous editions many actions did. The current rules favor simplicity.
What do you think? Can you make an Opportunity Attack against a Boar that has knocked you Prone and continues it's movement out of your reach? The rules would say yes (at a disadvantage), but it feels a bit silly to me.
The rules say yes. It feels no less silly than 6-seconds turns where everyone moves orderly on a grid.
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I think of it like Assassin's Creed Origins & Odyssey where you do a roll to get up. It keeps you mobile, but gets you on your feet -- Therefore, no AoO.
Not a boar. but my gloomstalker had been knocked prone, and unconscious. nat 20'd his death save. came to, demanded his potion of climbing back from a slave trader, got knocked unconscious again, then attacked while unconscious for the 2 fails, then nat 20'd the death save again! Rogue came over and attacked the 2 over my now, still prone, but conscious again gloomstalker. One leaves to deal with rogue, the gloomstalker, on the ground, prone, twice back from unconsciousness, tkaes his disadvantaged attack of opportunity and actually kills the guy who walked towards the rogue.
Stranger things happen every day than a disadvantaged attack at a boar that runs past you.
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You guys. Moving out of someone's attack range is NOT the only thing that triggers attack of opportunity. It's also triggered if someone moves THROUGH your attack range. And I say, standing up is moving, because it takes movement speed, and if that movement takes place INSIDE someone's attack range, then I say yes it triggers an opportunity attack. Plus it makes perfect sense. Of course you're going to be vulnerable while standing up. Also, this gives a reason to attack while prone. Otherwise there's absolutely no reason to do that.
Welcome to 5th edition, where close quarter movement is a thing as long as you don't leave reach. What you're describing Keltor is a thing of past editions.
"You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach."
https://www.dndbeyond.com/compendium/rules/basic-rules/combat#OpportunityAttacks
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https://www.dndbeyond.com/compendium/rules/phb/combat#OpportunityAttacks
The only trigger for an opportunity attack is when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. There are no other triggers, unless they are introduced via a class feature, feat, item etc.
Other actions that used to trigger opportunity attacks in previous editions of D&D no longer do so.
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Also, technically, moving THROUGH something means you get IN and OUT of that something, so effectively it would not create a secondary trigger, just that it would not necessarily mean that the movement needs to begin inside the threat zone/reach, but that it can also be triggered by moving from point A (outside of the reach zone) to point B (also outside the reach zone) using a path that would bring the target to step in and out of said threat zone.
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Okay okay. I guess I didn't actually read the official rules very well.
It's all good :)
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RAW as long as you stay within range (5ft usually) it does not provoke opportunity attack. although it cost half your movement to get up you never get out of range.
The 5e rules on reach seem a little strange coming from past editions, but when you think about it, they replicate the dance of melee combatants in films much better. Two rapier-wielding swashbucklers trading quips and feints while circling each other just inside the reach of their blades is much closer to 5e's OA rules than the previous edition, where you were encouraged to stand toe-to-toe and never move lest you provoke.
(This is also why I don't use the optional Flanking rule -- it is now much easier to get into flanking position than it used to be, and stay there. So it's like giving out free advantage to anyone who can outnumber their opponents, which even further tips the scales towards encounters with lots of smaller enemies being far more deadly than encounters with a solo big-boss monster, and I feel those are already disappointing in 5e, without some serious changes)
Guys, This thread was last posted on 2 1/2 years ago...probably best to keep it in the archives unless you have new information to add to the OP