can a Dragonborn Druid use wild shape to turn into a young dragon or a dragon wyrmling? I know it’s usually beasts but I have read that shapes that seem natural to the environment or would be balanced for the character would also work. Since dragons would be natural to a Dragonborn, if all the other requirements were met, would this work?
Even if it is allowed by the DM, make sure to follow the wildshape limitations. A druid could only turn into a wyrmling starting at level 8 (only brass or copper for non-moon druids) and only a moon druid could turn into a young brass or white dragon.
There are Guard Drakes (VGM), Pseudodragons and Faerie Dragons (MM) that could be options for lower level dragon forms that a DM might be more inclined to allow.
There are Guard Drakes (VGM), Pseudodragons and Faerie Dragons (MM) that could be options for lower level dragon forms that a DM might be more inclined to allow.
Guard Drakes are not natural creatures, and even when allowing non-beast wildshapes, I wouldn't allow that (they also still require a level 6 moon druid). A pseudodragon or Faerie Dragon (Younger) or (older) still require the druid to be level 8.
The Fly Speed limitation does put a severe limitation on wild shaping into a dragon, that makes it impossible until 8th level. Reading dragons and comparing them to beasts, I'd be inclined to say no, even for a Dragonborn PC. The high AC combined with a fly speed makes dragons unbalanced compared to all of the beasts that an 8th level Moon Druid can change into and that doesn't take the damage resistance/immunity into account.
Yeah, you’d have to have a pretty easygoing and outside-the box-thinking DM to make it happen. I think nerfing at least the HP to bring it down to a CR 1 level would be necessary even at the 8th level improvement. Maybe he could cripple your flying speed in some way to allow for shaping into a creature with flight speed before level 8. Like say you can fly only once per shaping, and/or only 120 of flight at a time, or make you roll to see if you’ll be able to fly on this shaping similar to the check for recharging a dragon’s breath weapon would do.
Thank you for all the answers. I was thinking a dragon wyrmling or young dragon at best. A dragon wyrmling has a cr of 3 so a moon Druid wouldn’t be able to shift into one until level 9 anyway, and a young brass dragon has a cr of 6. So that is level 18. The stat block is comparable to pc’s of the level. Which would be the only way I would allow it in a game I was running. I would probably also cut the time down depending on the shape chosen. But I think it’s a solid argument.
I have been considering a similar thing for a while now, and I feel that as long as you disable flight, you could enable wyrmling transformation at lvl 2, and I am working on converting the dragon familiar feat from 3.5 draconomicon to 5e, as well as drakonic mounts, and PCs. However, I only want to apply it to an adventure I am running with only 2 people
can a Dragonborn Druid use wild shape to turn into a young dragon or a dragon wyrmling? I know it’s usually beasts but I have read that shapes that seem natural to the environment or would be balanced for the character would also work. Since dragons would be natural to a Dragonborn, if all the other requirements were met, would this work?
By RAW no, as Beasts are a creature type while Dragons are of the dragon creature type.
Talk to your DM though as they may allow it (it is an interesting idea), or if you are the DM you could allow it also.
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Even if it is allowed by the DM, make sure to follow the wildshape limitations. A druid could only turn into a wyrmling starting at level 8 (only brass or copper for non-moon druids) and only a moon druid could turn into a young brass or white dragon.
There are Guard Drakes (VGM), Pseudodragons and Faerie Dragons (MM) that could be options for lower level dragon forms that a DM might be more inclined to allow.
Guard Drakes are not natural creatures, and even when allowing non-beast wildshapes, I wouldn't allow that (they also still require a level 6 moon druid). A pseudodragon or Faerie Dragon (Younger) or (older) still require the druid to be level 8.
The Fly Speed limitation does put a severe limitation on wild shaping into a dragon, that makes it impossible until 8th level. Reading dragons and comparing them to beasts, I'd be inclined to say no, even for a Dragonborn PC. The high AC combined with a fly speed makes dragons unbalanced compared to all of the beasts that an 8th level Moon Druid can change into and that doesn't take the damage resistance/immunity into account.
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Yeah, you’d have to have a pretty easygoing and outside-the box-thinking DM to make it happen. I think nerfing at least the HP to bring it down to a CR 1 level would be necessary even at the 8th level improvement. Maybe he could cripple your flying speed in some way to allow for shaping into a creature with flight speed before level 8. Like say you can fly only once per shaping, and/or only 120 of flight at a time, or make you roll to see if you’ll be able to fly on this shaping similar to the check for recharging a dragon’s breath weapon would do.
Thank you for all the answers. I was thinking a dragon wyrmling or young dragon at best. A dragon wyrmling has a cr of 3 so a moon Druid wouldn’t be able to shift into one until level 9 anyway, and a young brass dragon has a cr of 6. So that is level 18. The stat block is comparable to pc’s of the level. Which would be the only way I would allow it in a game I was running. I would probably also cut the time down depending on the shape chosen. But I think it’s a solid argument.
A brass dragon wyrmling and copper dragon wyrmling are CR1 so any druid could turn into them at level 8.
There are 5 CR2 wyrmlings (black, bronze, green, silver, and white) that a level 8 moon druid could turn into.
Keep in mind, at 10th level a Moon Druid can wild shape into a CR5 Elemental.
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I have been considering a similar thing for a while now, and I feel that as long as you disable flight, you could enable wyrmling transformation at lvl 2, and I am working on converting the dragon familiar feat from 3.5 draconomicon to 5e, as well as drakonic mounts, and PCs. However, I only want to apply it to an adventure I am running with only 2 people
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