People trying to cure idiocy and ignorance in an endless and futile struggle against entitlement. (I still don't know why I keep responding here, so I'm in this group)
I find it an amusing way to pass the time.
I'm a bit of a bastard if that's not been clear from my post history.
Everything is easily referenced. This is the modern age, where digital information is beyond easy to access. Referenced material is common sense, please educate us all on information that a well titled google search wouldn't come up with....nothing.....you want case law? I know how to access that....do you? If your going to make a comment like that i'm expecting freaking rainbows full of case law and case specific text. Please educate us on your...how many years of law?
Other to now insult me what purpose does your response actually serve?
I recall that there was someone, using a different account, who gave an almost word for word similar response to being called out about their (lack) of knowledge about IP law, some time ago. I think maybe even in this very thread...
Oh, and you don't get to take the high ground when you've been insulting everyone here since you started posting, either for their choice to pay for DDB at all, or their choice to buy the physical products as well as the digital, or the developers and staff here by calling them rip-off merchants.
It's almost like these are accounts that only post in these threads and make new ones to sound like more people share the opinions! Meanwhile, tens/hundreds of thousands of people happily pay for and use this site while <10 "people" complain about it in this thread.
Imagine what, the fact that that Amazon or Google play can't stop you from going to say audible and loading the book you purchased through them through audible. Or Kindle...e.c.t (ironically i know Kindle is owned by Amazon...but that's more referencing Google Play instead of Amazon)
Its not imagine anything...you buy the book not the license to use it on some website as in the book is yours to use however you want on whatever device and through whatever service you want. You want to load it up in Adobe...you can
Imagine a book purchase not being the same as purchasing a license to use that content on a website. Just because some sites offer the added bonus of a free copy on another platform with some purchases does not mean you are entitled to it for everything you buy. That's not how the world works. You are not entitled to an iTunes copy of the Blu-ray you own. If it comes with a digital code that is an added perk, not a legal requirement. If you purchase a copy on iTunes, until very recently (thanks Movies Anywhere), it did not entitle you to a digital copy on Google Play, and even now, it is an added perk, not a legal requirement.
I recall that there was someone, using a different account, who gave an almost word for word similar response to being called out about their (lack) of knowledge about IP law, some time ago. I think maybe even in this very thread...
Oh, and you don't get to take the high ground when you've been insulting everyone here since you started posting, either for their choice to pay for DDB at all, or their choice to buy the physical products as well as the digital, or the developers and staff here by calling them rip-off merchants.
Likely the same person (or at least the same BS). I'd bet their a sovereign citizen too... *rolls eyes*
Everything is easily referenced. This is the modern age, where digital information is beyond easy to access. Referenced material is common sense, please educate us all on information that a well titled google search wouldn't come up with....nothing.....you want case law? I know how to access that....do you? If your going to make a comment like that i'm expecting freaking rainbows full of case law and case specific text. Please educate us on your...how many years of law?
Other to now insult me what purpose does your response actually serve?
"The first sale doctrine is the provision in copyright law that gives the purchaser of a copy of a copyrighted work the right to sell or otherwise dispose of that copy without the permission of the copyright owner... The Copyright Act makes an explicit distinction between ownership of a copy of a copyrighted work–whether that copy is printed on paper or burned onto an optical disk or stored in a computer’s memory–and ownership of the copyright in the work. The copy is tangible property owned by the purchaser; the copyrighted work embodied in the copy is intangible property owned by the author."
"Existing copyright case law makes it clear that digital copies of works, even those stored only ephemerally in RAM, are “copies” within the meaning of the Copyright Act. Moreover, the Copyright Act is clear on its face that there is a difference between ownership of a copy of a work and ownership of the work embodied in the copy." (emphasis mine)
You were right about one thing... easily referenced. Google is fun.
1. Have you seen a copy of the licensing agreement between DDB & WotC? If so, please share.
2. What have you published? Please share.
3. Please cite that laws to which you refer about consumer rights. I cited information in my post above about copyright and usage rights. Care to refute?
4. If you have published something, by your logic you won't mind if I buy it once, make a transformative version of it, and then resell it?
5. Pathfinder exists because of the open gaming license which specifically gave legal permission to do what they did, it had nothing to do with "consumer rights" from buying a book. It's so easy to access that information online, as a successful publisher and D&D aficionado, I'm surprised you didn't know.
As for the other comments. What you think my understanding of my consumer rights is..well doesn't matter to me.
Well, perhaps we should cut out all the citations, examples, and industry practices then to just focus on what does matter:
The pricing structure on D&D Beyond is not slated to change, regardless of previous purchase or expectation. Like it, hate it, or somewhere in the middle - this is what is offered, enjoy it or move on.
I'll ignore that ect, its the same...improper punctuation...but the same...i'm not the grammar police and type how I want to type.
Yet I wonder how all of these people seem to know exactly what WoTC "require" And WoTC, doesn't charge $30 for licensing. They charge i believe $10-15 turning a 15-20 dollar profit e.c.t. (i did it the right way just for you :) happy), none of you have every contacted WoTC, There are cheaper books out there for a reason...because of markup. Again economics 101, wholesale is cheap buying from the source is always cheaper and buying from a company like D&DB is why books are so expensive, that includes licensing rights. Most maybe 10-15 dollars per individual. Take walmart compared to barns and noble...i could go buy a book for cheaper at Walmart than I could at Barnes & Noble...because of Markup...You can't argue against markup. Its how companies make their profits.
I'm not saying its a scam either. I'm saying its overpriced when it shouldn't be. Especially if people have already bought a "license" to use WoTC material. When you buy the book, you own the right to use the contents how you see fit. Otherwise, home brew would technically be infringing in copyright territory e.c.t. Just because its based wholly off copyrighted material, Pathfinder never would have came to be as it is a ripoff of D&D.
Rather than embrace that people have different opinions, i just stated my belief based on my knowledge of economics and marketing. Having an understanding of copyright law, as i myself copyright material and have paid attorney's to properly inform me of my rights with my copyrighted material. Everything you are all saying is either just outside the reach of ownership rights or completely contradicts the ownership rights. (Homebrew'n the entire system would still be using the system on this site, therefore, the material is being placed on D&DB's site...why would licensing apply in one situation but not the other?)
You can troll me, insult me however you want. But all you are doing at this point is tripping over selves. You can't reasonably argue that license fee's need to be paid to put material on this site...but then tell someone if they don't like the cost to just homebrew it on the site...E.C.T...again where this should be common sense...its makes little sense...at all. I can see paying for the software if any...hell I can see paying for the service....but charging for a book or to use material in a book some of us already own...is and will always be over the top.
It's etc. Not ect or e.c.t. but etc. They are not the same as you state.
Yes you're saying your belief based on your knowledge of economics and marketing. I am basing mine on 20 years of business and law (learned through hobby, college, and professions). Our opinions are in conflict and we're expressing our differing views in discussion. This is a forum after all.
Homebrew is a private thing only you and those in the campaign (which is limited) may see. This is different than D&D Beyond granting full access to the public at large. Does this really need to be explained?
I have not once insulted you. I have described you as ignorant on certain things but then when you give false info on the topic that should be expected. It's a description not an insult. I suppose you are free to take it how you want, though.
I can reasonably argue that fees/homebrew thing. The fee D&D pays is not "to put material on the website" it is instead to "grant on demand access to users in the general public at a large scale". When you buy a DVD you can play it while having a few friends round and this still fits within the license of access that DVD purchase grants you. However, if you then got a huge screen in the middle of a public space and played the movie for everyone basically making a private theatre then this is outside the remit of that private use license and you will need to purchase appropriate rights. If you have access to the content and want to replicate it for private use including for other members of your campaign this is fine but if you then made a website to offer this to the public WotC will be demanding their payment for the appropriate license to do so.
Reusing ect instead of etc deliberately on purpose? How very mature of you. I will just laugh at your choice to be deliberately wrong.
Can't wait for your next post of hilarious contradiction and misinformation. This is better than TV.
Regardless of what you think you might own when you buy the physical book, you are still free to create digital tools for personal use with that information regardless of how that ownership is defined. If you are not proficient in coding (as is my situation), there are a number of resources available that allow you to enter the data you already own in the physical books at no cost to yourself.
One of these such resources is on this site, which happens to be the one that I trust, as they have a close partnership with the developers of the game.
As has been said, you are completely capable of entering the information from the source that you have already purchased into this toolset. In fact, it is encouraged by both WotC and Curse, as long as that data is not made available for public use.
When you purchased your physical copy of the book, you purchased a complete product. Everything you need to create a character and play the game is included in the book. What is not included is a promise to provide additional resources at no cost, as you already have the complete product. D&D Beyond is also a separate - but compatible - complete product, in that if you purchase equivalent DDB content, you do not NEED to own anything else to play the full game. Furthermore, DDB content is priced at a rate that is less expensive than the MSRP of the physical books, and sometimes even less expensive than the discounted Amazon rates (as their prices tend to fluctuate).
My intent is not insult. More power to you for purchasing both digital and physical copies of books. But in reality you aren't buying the digital books. As they do not give you a copy of the digital books. Go to google play or amazon, purchase a book. You own that book, not the license to use its content on a website. You can print that book if you wanted to pay the printing cost.
Just to be clear, if you wanted to print out a copy of your Kindle book for personal use, or as a hard copy back-up, there are quite a few hoops you'd need to jump through to do that. You can do the same here, copy/pasting all your purchased content into a Word document or whatever your software of choice may be, and then printing it out.
You've gone on a few times about Roll20 also. There, as here, you need to purchase the PHB to access it's full contents. There, as here, only the SRD content is freely available. DDB, Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds all have contracts with WotC that dictate what content they can offer and how they can offer it. WotC, the owner of the content you are licensing, has been pretty darned clear that they are in no way interested in offering a stand-alone downloadable digital 5E product. No PDFs, no ePubs, no kindle files. You'll need to take that up with them, I'm afraid.
And for the love of all things fluffy it's "etc." not "e.c.t." It's short for et cetera.
Sorry, pet peeve.
>.>
Thank you. I'm glad someone finally mentioned it. You'd think an IP law expert would have seen that particular abbreviation in use at some point in the past.
I'll ignore that ect, its the same...improper punctuation...but the same...i'm not the grammar police and type how I want to type.
e.c.t. (i did it the right way just for you:) happy)
infringing in copyright territory e.c.t.
...E.C.T...
Just because you are being so obnoxious about it, I'll jump in here again. Check a dictionary (HERE, let me help). Again, it's et cetera. At the very least, that makes the abbreviation ETC, not ECT, periods or otherwise.
Ok, lets resume a calm discussion and get back on topic. All grammar artifacts and personal attacks/criticisms need to come to an end. Any direct conversation needs to be taken to Private Message and not posted in the thread.
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Omeggidon you continue to ignore the questions I've posed and the citations I've made regarding copyright.
charging full price for content some of us already own is the scam
DDB is not charging full price. The MSRP of the PHB physical book in a store is $49.95 USD. The cost of the PHB with access to character builder is $29.99 USD. That's less than the cost of the hardcopy book you've already purchased.
It should also be clarified that the $29.99 cost includes the ability to use that PHB content in the character builder. You can also buy a $19.99 version of the PHB on DDB that is a "compendium" version. That means you get to access/read the content in digital format, but it does not work with the builder.
Since your hardcopy PHB also does not come with a character builder, that means that the $19.99 compendium version is more comparable to your hardcopy book.
Thus, as the hardcopy books costs $49.95 in a store, and the equivalent content is $19.99 on DDB (difference of $29.96) you are not being charged full price for something you've already bought.
Again, when you buy a physical book, you "own" the paper it is printed on. You do not "own" the content, and your rights to use/reuse that content are very specific.
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You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
... If I don't want to use proper grammar or hell inglés correcto, como también hablo español. Esa es mi decisión....
Si te pido en español de contestarme entonces igual lo haces?
That absolutely irrelevant comment on language only serves to strongly suggest you are not here for discussion, but rather to defend your point regardless of whatever we tell you, so letsl put that aside.
In your latest reply you presented cases in which you would be in the right to show a movie in a public place. Thing is, while the first point is absolutely valid, and actually taken into account by the user posing the example, as with the DRM from earlier posts you are comparing oranges with apples in the second point, and in the third one, well, I haventh paid much attention after the 100th time, but I kind of remember being a pretty clear notice at the start of any rented movie stating what you say is not actually within the law.
But I am obviously no expert, so I might be incorrect.
Now for something slightly different:
As for the homebrew thing...well....actually you are only partially right....as this is where conflicting terminology and misunderstanding might be the culprit. Because I read to just homebrew it...because its free without having to pay for the books or taking the source material and homebrewing it on here...so either you are misreading something or I said or i misunderstood who ever said it, because what i read made it seem like someone said homebrew it on here because its free. which then no what I said still applies 10 fold.
Could you kindly explain to me what you were trying to say here, even in Spanish if you want? I can't really grasp your meaning...
EDIT: for someone not wanting to be judged and not wanting their actual knowledge be put into question without bases, you did quite a number on Cyb3rM1nd right there, with even less bases than other had when putting into question your knowledge/experience... Double-standard much?
"the Etc thing was a joke, i screwed up when i typed and didn't notice it, i am very aware that it is etc not ect....simmer down sarcasm as one one my pet peeves are grammar nazi's, who have to point out every typo or mistake I type fast and sometimes make mistakes...so what... I haven't at once criticized how anyone else talks or types...so don't do it to me. If I don't want to use proper grammar or hell inglés correcto, como también hablo español. Esa es mi decisión...."
I'm British. More than that I'm Welsh. Sarcasm is like our native tongue. Well actually welsh language is a phlegm-inducing travesty of language. But, culturally, sarcasm is our go-to language. Banter is our national past time. Asking me to simmer down on sarcasm is like asking eskimo to not make igloos.
Would likely to point out that I mentioned the etc thing because of a pet peeve and it is the only reference to your typing/language I have referred to at all and only did so because you were constantly using it. This does not qualify me as a grammar-nazi.
"I'm not saying D&DB is a scam, i'm saying charging full price for content some of us already own is the scam...you implied i was saying this website and company were a scam, which i'm not. Don't try to twist what I say. "
I'm not twisting anything. This is specifically stating the site is a scam and people buying into it are idiots. Funny how you mention people insulting you and here you are insulting every D&D Beyond customer and the site itself. Just a tad bit of hypocrisy there.
"We already payed for license to have readily access to the material. Why they have to charge half of what we paid for the retail book is absurd...and honestly this argument is becoming pointless..."
This has been explained to you in detail. It doesn't matter if you bought the book elsewhere - D&D Beyond did not see any of that money so any discount they offer to you for already doing so is entirely at a loss. This would not be wise as a business. They deserve their profits. You should take your issue to WotC who control the base content license prices. Best of luck.
"As for the homebrew thing...well....actually you are only partially right....as this is where conflicting terminology and misunderstanding might be the culprit. Because I read to just homebrew it...because its free without having to pay for the books or taking the source material and homebrewing it on here...so either you are misreading something or I said or i misunderstood who ever said it, because what i read made it seem like someone said homebrew it on here because its free. which then no what I said still applies 10 fold. "
You have not read my post on this correctly. I cannot be bothered to repeat what I have already said. I am fully correct. You can make anything homebrew, even if it is a copy of some other book, for your private use. It is offered under assumption if you're adding information into the system you are doing so from a legal source like a physical book. They cannot verify this but they are making this assumption.
"You see, this shows just how inexperienced you actually are. Generally no you cannot just choose to pick out any new random movie you want go to a park and press play...there are exceptions to this however.
You can obtain a public performance license, which in turn allows you play said dvd in a public place. This license only costs more if you plan to charge for the viewing as then you will have to pay fees and royalties.
If the dvd is in the public domain...you can play said dvd in a public place
If you rented the DVD from a rental company, like Redbox or an actual video store etc. Then you can play the DVD or VHS in a public place as the license is legally a public performance license not private use."
I did specifically mention about obtaining public license for doing that. It helps wonderfully if you read the posts you reply to. I am aware about public domain. Given the vast majority of movies likely to be bought are going to not be in public domain I did not think it necessary to include such a redundant qualifier for something given as an example to a point not the main subject of discussion. Evidently I was wrong.
Renting a movie not in the public domain does not grant you the right to show it publically unless you specifically bought the license for that. Otherwise, you could set up your own theatre (not all theatres focus on new releases, some will replay old movies) charge entry and just rent the DVDs. Yeah, nope. Rental is still for private use if bought from a standard rental service unless that store or service has specifically detailed offering it through public performance license. You must get a public performance license for any movie not in the public domain you wish to show publically regardless of whether you own the dvd or have rented it. Unless the rental service has specifically rented it with this license included the movie is otherwise considered home-use only.
"As I've said i've copyrighted material before, consumers have the right to play the material in any location at any time to the viewing of any individual or set of individuals as long as they do not monetize their actions."
False. Seriously, look up public performance licenses.
" As I highly doubt you have 20 years of business and law as from your screen handle and too scripted responses, i would put you at only about 16 (min) to 26(max). As in such, there is no way you have that level of experience. (Mine is a nickname i've had since i was 5, so don't even comment on it)"
I could be a 107 and only got my screen-handle yesterday. A screen name is not an indication of age, experience or anything beyond a screen name. You are also quite off about my age as I am much older than what you have indicated (sadly). Internet presence has no bearing on how long somebody has been alive or learned things. When I took a computing course in college the eldest in the class was 76 and it was the first time they had used a computer, let alone internet. Does the fact they only started using Internet then somehow negate 76 years of life experience? Nope. Never too old to learn things. Well, it might be if you were like 120 and about to die any day or something. Point is it is utterly ridiculous to base somebody's age and experience on something so insignificant as a screen-name that can be changed at any time.
I'm going to reiterate that this thread is a FAQ, and should only be used for questions on the pricing. I've gone through, given warnings and removed offending posts. The discussion this thread was originally intended for has devolved into flame wars and trolling, and the moderation team will now allow this to continue.
Q12: I already purchased some/all of the sourcebooks in hardback - can I get them for free/discount on D&D Beyond?
Answers:
Q12: I already purchased some/all of the sourcebooks in hardback and have proof of purchase - can I get them for free/discount on D&D Beyond?
No - this is not something that is possible.
The D&D Beyond website is created, owned and maintained by Curse (a Twitch company), who have a license agreement with Wizards of the Coast to use the D&D content.
The hardback books are sold by Wizards of the Coast - none of the money from this goes to Curse.
Asking to have free access on D&D Beyond, due to already owning the hardback books, is asking to have it for free, from a company that has made no money from the books you already bought.
There have been many discussions on these forums about this, often with the presentation of analogies to compare pricing models of other products or markets, with the result that the discussion usually derails into counter-analogies.
The simple fact is that it is not possible to do this.
I find it an amusing way to pass the time.
I'm a bit of a bastard if that's not been clear from my post history.
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It's almost like these are accounts that only post in these threads and make new ones to sound like more people share the opinions! Meanwhile, tens/hundreds of thousands of people happily pay for and use this site while <10 "people" complain about it in this thread.
Imagine a book purchase not being the same as purchasing a license to use that content on a website. Just because some sites offer the added bonus of a free copy on another platform with some purchases does not mean you are entitled to it for everything you buy. That's not how the world works. You are not entitled to an iTunes copy of the Blu-ray you own. If it comes with a digital code that is an added perk, not a legal requirement. If you purchase a copy on iTunes, until very recently (thanks Movies Anywhere), it did not entitle you to a digital copy on Google Play, and even now, it is an added perk, not a legal requirement.
Likely the same person (or at least the same BS). I'd bet their a sovereign citizen too... *rolls eyes*
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2011/10/10/digital-death-copyrights-first-sale-doctrine/
From the link above:
"The first sale doctrine is the provision in copyright law that gives the purchaser of a copy of a copyrighted work the right to sell or otherwise dispose of that copy without the permission of the copyright owner... The Copyright Act makes an explicit distinction between ownership of a copy of a copyrighted work–whether that copy is printed on paper or burned onto an optical disk or stored in a computer’s memory–and ownership of the copyright in the work. The copy is tangible property owned by the purchaser; the copyrighted work embodied in the copy is intangible property owned by the author."
"Existing copyright case law makes it clear that digital copies of works, even those stored only ephemerally in RAM, are “copies” within the meaning of the Copyright Act. Moreover, the Copyright Act is clear on its face that there is a difference between ownership of a copy of a work and ownership of the work embodied in the copy." (emphasis mine)
You were right about one thing... easily referenced. Google is fun.
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
1. Have you seen a copy of the licensing agreement between DDB & WotC? If so, please share.
2. What have you published? Please share.
3. Please cite that laws to which you refer about consumer rights. I cited information in my post above about copyright and usage rights. Care to refute?
4. If you have published something, by your logic you won't mind if I buy it once, make a transformative version of it, and then resell it?
5. Pathfinder exists because of the open gaming license which specifically gave legal permission to do what they did, it had nothing to do with "consumer rights" from buying a book. It's so easy to access that information online, as a successful publisher and D&D aficionado, I'm surprised you didn't know.
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
It was not about the punctuation, but about the actual spelling. But I am sure you noticed, just decided to ignore.
That being said, care to reply to my two questions from a couple of posts ago? I'd be really interested in seeing your answers.
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Well, perhaps we should cut out all the citations, examples, and industry practices then to just focus on what does matter:
The pricing structure on D&D Beyond is not slated to change, regardless of previous purchase or expectation. Like it, hate it, or somewhere in the middle - this is what is offered, enjoy it or move on.
Thank you much.
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It's etc. Not ect or e.c.t. but etc. They are not the same as you state.
Here's some links: https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/etc (Oxford dictionary), and a snippet from a professor: https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/25/ect/
You say here that you are not saying it's a scam. This contradicts an earlier post ( https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/d-d-beyond-feedback/5743-d-d-beyond-pricing-purchase-faq-discussion?page=44#c891 ) where you specifically stated the site is a scam. Make up your mind?
Yes you're saying your belief based on your knowledge of economics and marketing. I am basing mine on 20 years of business and law (learned through hobby, college, and professions). Our opinions are in conflict and we're expressing our differing views in discussion. This is a forum after all.
Homebrew is a private thing only you and those in the campaign (which is limited) may see. This is different than D&D Beyond granting full access to the public at large. Does this really need to be explained?
I have not once insulted you. I have described you as ignorant on certain things but then when you give false info on the topic that should be expected. It's a description not an insult. I suppose you are free to take it how you want, though.
I can reasonably argue that fees/homebrew thing. The fee D&D pays is not "to put material on the website" it is instead to "grant on demand access to users in the general public at a large scale". When you buy a DVD you can play it while having a few friends round and this still fits within the license of access that DVD purchase grants you. However, if you then got a huge screen in the middle of a public space and played the movie for everyone basically making a private theatre then this is outside the remit of that private use license and you will need to purchase appropriate rights. If you have access to the content and want to replicate it for private use including for other members of your campaign this is fine but if you then made a website to offer this to the public WotC will be demanding their payment for the appropriate license to do so.
Reusing ect instead of etc deliberately on purpose? How very mature of you. I will just laugh at your choice to be deliberately wrong.
Can't wait for your next post of hilarious contradiction and misinformation. This is better than TV.
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Regardless of what you think you might own when you buy the physical book, you are still free to create digital tools for personal use with that information regardless of how that ownership is defined. If you are not proficient in coding (as is my situation), there are a number of resources available that allow you to enter the data you already own in the physical books at no cost to yourself.
One of these such resources is on this site, which happens to be the one that I trust, as they have a close partnership with the developers of the game.
As has been said, you are completely capable of entering the information from the source that you have already purchased into this toolset. In fact, it is encouraged by both WotC and Curse, as long as that data is not made available for public use.
When you purchased your physical copy of the book, you purchased a complete product. Everything you need to create a character and play the game is included in the book. What is not included is a promise to provide additional resources at no cost, as you already have the complete product. D&D Beyond is also a separate - but compatible - complete product, in that if you purchase equivalent DDB content, you do not NEED to own anything else to play the full game. Furthermore, DDB content is priced at a rate that is less expensive than the MSRP of the physical books, and sometimes even less expensive than the discounted Amazon rates (as their prices tend to fluctuate).
I hope this helped!
Just to be clear, if you wanted to print out a copy of your Kindle book for personal use, or as a hard copy back-up, there are quite a few hoops you'd need to jump through to do that. You can do the same here, copy/pasting all your purchased content into a Word document or whatever your software of choice may be, and then printing it out.
You've gone on a few times about Roll20 also. There, as here, you need to purchase the PHB to access it's full contents. There, as here, only the SRD content is freely available. DDB, Roll20 and Fantasy Grounds all have contracts with WotC that dictate what content they can offer and how they can offer it. WotC, the owner of the content you are licensing, has been pretty darned clear that they are in no way interested in offering a stand-alone downloadable digital 5E product. No PDFs, no ePubs, no kindle files. You'll need to take that up with them, I'm afraid.
Thank you. I'm glad someone finally mentioned it. You'd think an IP law expert would have seen that particular abbreviation in use at some point in the past.
Just because you are being so obnoxious about it, I'll jump in here again. Check a dictionary (HERE, let me help). Again, it's et cetera. At the very least, that makes the abbreviation ETC, not ECT, periods or otherwise.
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Omeggidon you continue to ignore the questions I've posed and the citations I've made regarding copyright.
DDB is not charging full price. The MSRP of the PHB physical book in a store is $49.95 USD. The cost of the PHB with access to character builder is $29.99 USD. That's less than the cost of the hardcopy book you've already purchased.
It should also be clarified that the $29.99 cost includes the ability to use that PHB content in the character builder. You can also buy a $19.99 version of the PHB on DDB that is a "compendium" version. That means you get to access/read the content in digital format, but it does not work with the builder.
Since your hardcopy PHB also does not come with a character builder, that means that the $19.99 compendium version is more comparable to your hardcopy book.
Thus, as the hardcopy books costs $49.95 in a store, and the equivalent content is $19.99 on DDB (difference of $29.96) you are not being charged full price for something you've already bought.
Again, when you buy a physical book, you "own" the paper it is printed on. You do not "own" the content, and your rights to use/reuse that content are very specific.
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
Si te pido en español de contestarme entonces igual lo haces?
That absolutely irrelevant comment on language only serves to strongly suggest you are not here for discussion, but rather to defend your point regardless of whatever we tell you, so letsl put that aside.
In your latest reply you presented cases in which you would be in the right to show a movie in a public place. Thing is, while the first point is absolutely valid, and actually taken into account by the user posing the example, as with the DRM from earlier posts you are comparing oranges with apples in the second point, and in the third one, well, I haventh paid much attention after the 100th time, but I kind of remember being a pretty clear notice at the start of any rented movie stating what you say is not actually within the law.
But I am obviously no expert, so I might be incorrect.
Now for something slightly different:
Could you kindly explain to me what you were trying to say here, even in Spanish if you want? I can't really grasp your meaning...
EDIT: for someone not wanting to be judged and not wanting their actual knowledge be put into question without bases, you did quite a number on Cyb3rM1nd right there, with even less bases than other had when putting into question your knowledge/experience... Double-standard much?
Born in Italy, moved a bunch, living in Spain, my heart always belonged to Roleplaying Games
Also, here's a primer on copyright that was written for kids. http://www.copyrightkids.org/cbasicsframes.htm
From the article:
"...you alone have the right to do any of the following or to let others do any of the following:
"Despite what you may have heard, there are no set rules about what kind of use is "fair" and what is "infringing.""
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
"the Etc thing was a joke, i screwed up when i typed and didn't notice it, i am very aware that it is etc not ect....simmer down sarcasm as one one my pet peeves are grammar nazi's, who have to point out every typo or mistake I type fast and sometimes make mistakes...so what... I haven't at once criticized how anyone else talks or types...so don't do it to me. If I don't want to use proper grammar or hell inglés correcto, como también hablo español. Esa es mi decisión...."
I'm British. More than that I'm Welsh. Sarcasm is like our native tongue. Well actually welsh language is a phlegm-inducing travesty of language. But, culturally, sarcasm is our go-to language. Banter is our national past time. Asking me to simmer down on sarcasm is like asking eskimo to not make igloos.
Would likely to point out that I mentioned the etc thing because of a pet peeve and it is the only reference to your typing/language I have referred to at all and only did so because you were constantly using it. This does not qualify me as a grammar-nazi.
"I'm not saying D&DB is a scam, i'm saying charging full price for content some of us already own is the scam...you implied i was saying this website and company were a scam, which i'm not. Don't try to twist what I say. "
Right. Let me quote you:
"I don't know why people are being idiotic and buying into this site...its a scam" ( https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/d-d-beyond-feedback/5743-d-d-beyond-pricing-purchase-faq-discussion?page=44#c891 )
I'm not twisting anything. This is specifically stating the site is a scam and people buying into it are idiots. Funny how you mention people insulting you and here you are insulting every D&D Beyond customer and the site itself. Just a tad bit of hypocrisy there.
"We already payed for license to have readily access to the material. Why they have to charge half of what we paid for the retail book is absurd...and honestly this argument is becoming pointless..."
This has been explained to you in detail. It doesn't matter if you bought the book elsewhere - D&D Beyond did not see any of that money so any discount they offer to you for already doing so is entirely at a loss. This would not be wise as a business. They deserve their profits. You should take your issue to WotC who control the base content license prices. Best of luck.
"As for the homebrew thing...well....actually you are only partially right....as this is where conflicting terminology and misunderstanding might be the culprit. Because I read to just homebrew it...because its free without having to pay for the books or taking the source material and homebrewing it on here...so either you are misreading something or I said or i misunderstood who ever said it, because what i read made it seem like someone said homebrew it on here because its free. which then no what I said still applies 10 fold. "
You have not read my post on this correctly. I cannot be bothered to repeat what I have already said. I am fully correct. You can make anything homebrew, even if it is a copy of some other book, for your private use. It is offered under assumption if you're adding information into the system you are doing so from a legal source like a physical book. They cannot verify this but they are making this assumption.
"You see, this shows just how inexperienced you actually are. Generally no you cannot just choose to pick out any new random movie you want go to a park and press play...there are exceptions to this however.
You can obtain a public performance license, which in turn allows you play said dvd in a public place. This license only costs more if you plan to charge for the viewing as then you will have to pay fees and royalties.
If the dvd is in the public domain...you can play said dvd in a public place
If you rented the DVD from a rental company, like Redbox or an actual video store etc. Then you can play the DVD or VHS in a public place as the license is legally a public performance license not private use."
I did specifically mention about obtaining public license for doing that. It helps wonderfully if you read the posts you reply to. I am aware about public domain. Given the vast majority of movies likely to be bought are going to not be in public domain I did not think it necessary to include such a redundant qualifier for something given as an example to a point not the main subject of discussion. Evidently I was wrong.
Renting a movie not in the public domain does not grant you the right to show it publically unless you specifically bought the license for that. Otherwise, you could set up your own theatre (not all theatres focus on new releases, some will replay old movies) charge entry and just rent the DVDs. Yeah, nope. Rental is still for private use if bought from a standard rental service unless that store or service has specifically detailed offering it through public performance license. You must get a public performance license for any movie not in the public domain you wish to show publically regardless of whether you own the dvd or have rented it. Unless the rental service has specifically rented it with this license included the movie is otherwise considered home-use only.
"As I've said i've copyrighted material before, consumers have the right to play the material in any location at any time to the viewing of any individual or set of individuals as long as they do not monetize their actions."
False. Seriously, look up public performance licenses.
" As I highly doubt you have 20 years of business and law as from your screen handle and too scripted responses, i would put you at only about 16 (min) to 26(max). As in such, there is no way you have that level of experience. (Mine is a nickname i've had since i was 5, so don't even comment on it)"
I could be a 107 and only got my screen-handle yesterday. A screen name is not an indication of age, experience or anything beyond a screen name. You are also quite off about my age as I am much older than what you have indicated (sadly). Internet presence has no bearing on how long somebody has been alive or learned things. When I took a computing course in college the eldest in the class was 76 and it was the first time they had used a computer, let alone internet. Does the fact they only started using Internet then somehow negate 76 years of life experience? Nope. Never too old to learn things. Well, it might be if you were like 120 and about to die any day or something. Point is it is utterly ridiculous to base somebody's age and experience on something so insignificant as a screen-name that can be changed at any time.
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I'm going to reiterate that this thread is a FAQ, and should only be used for questions on the pricing. I've gone through, given warnings and removed offending posts. The discussion this thread was originally intended for has devolved into flame wars and trolling, and the moderation team will now allow this to continue.
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Perhaps we should lock the thread with this?
FAQ: https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/d-d-beyond-general/d-d-beyond-feedback/5743-d-d-beyond-pricing-purchase-faq-discussion?comment=1
From the FAQ:
Answers:
Q12: I already purchased some/all of the sourcebooks in hardback and have proof of purchase - can I get them for free/discount on D&D Beyond?
You don't OWN your books on DDB: WotC can change them any time. What do you think will happen when OneD&D comes out?
If you lock this thread, people will just post in or create another thread.
Yup, we fully understand this.
We (the moderation team) have been discussing the way forward to try to defuse, whilst still allowing people to ask questions.
I'm updating the FAQ over the next few days to create a new thread for that.
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