already seeing some rumblings that forcing the "hero" sub on people to use homebrew is you trying to profit off of other people's work, drawing comparison to Bethesda and paid mods.
why can't free users add homebrew content to their game if they can still share what they create or just recreate it as a private homebrew?
Storage costs money I'd wager. It appears anything related to creating and hosting content has a price attached.
Awesome. I am very excited about this. For three years I have been waiting for pdfs or another suitable electronic format for the 5e books. DDB is definitely more than a sufficient PDF alternative (it is actually far superior from what I have seen so far).
Is it possible that we'll get some sneak peeks at exactly how the digital content will function before buying into fully digita content?
My concern is how efficiently I will be able to search PHB content only iPad vs with a physical book in hand.
This would be a great opportunity for a Lost Mines of Phandelver release so we can get a free/cheap test drive.
right now I'm a little Leary of doubling down on my core books without getting my hands dirty with the digital versions.
Also, just for clarification on the Master Tier, when it says the DM can share all unlocked official content with players in a campaign So if I'm running multiple campaigns, and I buy MM, PHB, DMG, Yawning Portal, will they all be able to access that information via my Master Tier subscription so we could share the cost of the digital books? Also, along with that, will I be able to restrict that access, so sneaky players aren't reading ahead and getting unfair player knowledge?
i know that is a lot to answer, but I appreciate your time and these valiant efforts
I just wanted to also ask, because have been talking about the purchase of books, the character builder, all that. Will the Campaign Tracking, the Virtual Tabletop, and any other Builders/Randomizers be included in the pricing shown here, or will there be additional add on prices for those services?
Thanks,
No additional site "features" are set to come at an additional cost. Licensed content only.
Is there going to be a virtual tabletop? I missed this....
Bradford: We have no current plans to create a virtual tabletop. Our intention is to work alongside the VTT partners Fantasy Grounds and Roll20 to integrate to add value for players. If you create a character on D&D Beyond, you will eventually be able to export that character to use while playing virtually through Fantasy Grounds or Roll20, and other integrations that make sense in the future.
My apologies, I honestly misread Badeyes post here as there being a VTT in the works. But it looks like integration. However it is good to know that any future DDB expansions will not be charged for.
If I purchase just one race from Volo's, say the Taxabi, in August and then 6 months later decide to buy the whole Volo's book; will I get a discounted price on Volo's as I have already paid for the Taxabi?
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Glad to finally see some numbers! I've been hinging a lot of my faith in the potential for D&D Beyond on what the pricing looks like, and I'm happy to see it's... Pretty reasonable I guess. I'd really like to see hardcover physical books that come with a code to unlock the digital version on DDB, like you see a lot of DvDs and blue rays come with these days, I'm probably not the first to pitch that idea.
So, I keep seeing this repeated. People keep saying, "You don't have to pay to unlock, especially if you're only using a few features, you can just homebrew the small bit instead." But I'm pretty sure that is not allowed, even if you don't share it publicly. The ToS says:
By uploading and publishing your User Content, you represent, and warrant that: (1) you are the creator and owner of the User Content or otherwise have sufficient rights and authority to grant the rights granted herein;
Even if you argue that your use of the material is fair (there's a nontrivial format-shifting argument), you definitely don't have the right to grant the rights that it asks for:
...you grant Twitch and its sublicensees an unrestricted, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, fully sub-licenseable, nonexclusive, and royalty-free right to (a) use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such User Content (including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Twitch Services (and derivative works thereof)) in any form, format, media or media channels now known or later developed or discovered;
And this is the clause on User Content which seems to apply to everything you submit here, regardless of whether you choose to share it publicly or no.
I'm seeing this comment repeatedly, both here and on Reddit. Where are people seeing that it's ok to put non-owned copyrighted material into D&DB, even privately?
So, I keep seeing this repeated. People keep saying, "You don't have to pay to unlock, especially if you're only using a few features, you can just homebrew the small bit instead." But I'm pretty sure that is not allowed, even if you don't share it publicly. The ToS says:
By uploading and publishing your User Content, you represent, and warrant that: (1) you are the creator and owner of the User Content or otherwise have sufficient rights and authority to grant the rights granted herein;
Even if you argue that your use of the material is fair (there's a nontrivial format-shifting argument), you definitely don't have the right to grant the rights that it asks for:
...you grant Twitch and its sublicensees an unrestricted, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, fully sub-licenseable, nonexclusive, and royalty-free right to (a) use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such User Content (including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Twitch Services (and derivative works thereof)) in any form, format, media or media channels now known or later developed or discovered;
And this is the clause on User Content which seems to apply to everything you submit here, regardless of whether you choose to share it publicly or no.
I'm seeing this comment repeatedly, both here and on Reddit. Where are people seeing that it's ok to put non-owned copyrighted material into D&DB, even privately?
You are free to create ANY content you wish to be kept privately. If you want to recreate the Players Handbook in it's entirety - do it. Note: This content CANNOT be published to the community due to copyright. You are free to create ANY content you wish as private homebrew.
So, I keep seeing this repeated. People keep saying, "You don't have to pay to unlock, especially if you're only using a few features, you can just homebrew the small bit instead." But I'm pretty sure that is not allowed, even if you don't share it publicly. The ToS says:
By uploading and publishing your User Content, you represent, and warrant that: (1) you are the creator and owner of the User Content or otherwise have sufficient rights and authority to grant the rights granted herein;
Even if you argue that your use of the material is fair (there's a nontrivial format-shifting argument), you definitely don't have the right to grant the rights that it asks for:
...you grant Twitch and its sublicensees an unrestricted, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, fully sub-licenseable, nonexclusive, and royalty-free right to (a) use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such User Content (including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Twitch Services (and derivative works thereof)) in any form, format, media or media channels now known or later developed or discovered;
And this is the clause on User Content which seems to apply to everything you submit here, regardless of whether you choose to share it publicly or no.
I'm seeing this comment repeatedly, both here and on Reddit. Where are people seeing that it's ok to put non-owned copyrighted material into D&DB, even privately?
The first clause I could see not being issue so long as you don't publish the material publicly. You can keep it private to just your group of 12 players, or whatever.
The second clause I don't currently have an argument for.
A suggestion. Something Syrinscape (a subscription based tabletop music service) does is offer its service as a subscription for access to the full sound library or flat purchase for each individual track. If you are a subscriber and you stop being one, you keep any new tracks that were released while you were a subscriber. I don't think that is feasible in the same way for DnDBeyond, but perhaps a "After 12 months of support, you receive half off of a book purchase". That would certainly incentivise me to subscribe and keep my subscription.
They are offering something of an a la carte option. See BadEye's original post in this thread.
Nope. What a shitty business practice to squeeze money out of your player base like this. I already spent $150 on the 3 corebooks, plus what I've spent on the other books that have come out since then. And now Wizards wants us to buy them again?! Oh, but they are doing us a favor and offering us the 3 core books for $60. Nope. And this is going to push me away from using dndbeyond in anyway.
Digital D&D is beyond my wallet! (sorry, couldn't resist)
Can't afford to pay 30 bucks for books I already paid for with effort. $10 would be a sweet deal (the price of a pathfinder pdf). $15 would still be tempting...
Kudos from Brazil! Will be looking for price cuts in the future....
So, I keep seeing this repeated. People keep saying, "You don't have to pay to unlock, especially if you're only using a few features, you can just homebrew the small bit instead." But I'm pretty sure that is not allowed, even if you don't share it publicly. The ToS says:
By uploading and publishing your User Content, you represent, and warrant that: (1) you are the creator and owner of the User Content or otherwise have sufficient rights and authority to grant the rights granted herein;
Even if you argue that your use of the material is fair (there's a nontrivial format-shifting argument), you definitely don't have the right to grant the rights that it asks for:
...you grant Twitch and its sublicensees an unrestricted, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, fully sub-licenseable, nonexclusive, and royalty-free right to (a) use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such User Content (including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Twitch Services (and derivative works thereof)) in any form, format, media or media channels now known or later developed or discovered;
And this is the clause on User Content which seems to apply to everything you submit here, regardless of whether you choose to share it publicly or no.
I'm seeing this comment repeatedly, both here and on Reddit. Where are people seeing that it's ok to put non-owned copyrighted material into D&DB, even privately?
You are free to create ANY content you wish to be kept privately. If you want to recreate the Players Handbook in it's entirety - do it. Note: This content CANNOT be published to the community due to copyright. You are free to create ANY content you wish as private homebrew.
Private to my account only or can I share with my Master level sub? At what point is it considered a violation of TOS due to sharing with the community?
It's not supposed to be a "here, tack this onto the growing bill". It's just another alternative. As someone who doesn't use Roll20 or FG, but knows that they both charge full MSRP for books, where DDB will charge what seems to be a hard max of $30/book, this is the more attractive option when I decide to go digital. That and I like all the tools being offered, as well as the ability to share content with your players as the DM.
I didn't pay nearly that much for the Fantasy Grounds Content, but I tend to wait for sales, in fact I got the DMG, MM and PHB modules for pretty close to the "special launch price" that is being offered here.
Personally I think a far more sensible pricing structure would be to have an "everything included sub" that gave you credit towards a permanent book every few months. You wouldn't have to shell out the best part of $100 to get started, and longer you used it, the more invested in the system you would be. And it wouldn't scare away the new people either.
So, I keep seeing this repeated. People keep saying, "You don't have to pay to unlock, especially if you're only using a few features, you can just homebrew the small bit instead." But I'm pretty sure that is not allowed, even if you don't share it publicly. The ToS says:
By uploading and publishing your User Content, you represent, and warrant that: (1) you are the creator and owner of the User Content or otherwise have sufficient rights and authority to grant the rights granted herein;
Even if you argue that your use of the material is fair (there's a nontrivial format-shifting argument), you definitely don't have the right to grant the rights that it asks for:
...you grant Twitch and its sublicensees an unrestricted, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, fully sub-licenseable, nonexclusive, and royalty-free right to (a) use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such User Content (including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the Twitch Services (and derivative works thereof)) in any form, format, media or media channels now known or later developed or discovered;
And this is the clause on User Content which seems to apply to everything you submit here, regardless of whether you choose to share it publicly or no.
I'm seeing this comment repeatedly, both here and on Reddit. Where are people seeing that it's ok to put non-owned copyrighted material into D&DB, even privately?
You are free to create ANY content you wish to be kept privately. If you want to recreate the Players Handbook in it's entirety - do it. Note: This content CANNOT be published to the community due to copyright. You are free to create ANY content you wish as private homebrew.
So, when you say "recreate", do you mean "copy"? I'm assuming you do, since you say it can't be published due to copyright.
You're telling me the answer I want to hear, which is great, but it's not matching what I'm seeing in the ToS. The restrictions above apply when:
Unless otherwise agreed to in a written agreement between you and Twitch that was signed by an authorized representative of Twitch, if you submit, transmit, display, perform, post or store User Content using the Twitch Services...
Putting the data in our private homebrew repository pretty specifically looks like "storing" it. I'm sure a real lawyer could make a solid argument for some of those other ones too. I'm not a lawyer, but the ToS is pretty straightforward and I'm not seeing any reasonable way to make it say what people are saying it says.
Private to my account only or can I share with my Master level sub? At what point is it considered a violation of TOS due to sharing with the community?
You can share with your friends in campaigns, yes. Your created homebrew content is only an issue when you attempt to publish it to the community as public. There, it enters a homebrew queue where the moderators review the content against https://www.dndbeyond.com/homebrew-rules-guidelines
Anything remaining unpublished is at the discretion of the creator.
Nope. What a shitty business practice to squeeze money out of your player base like this. I already spent $150 on the 3 corebooks, plus what I've spent on the other books that have come out since then. And now Wizards wants us to buy them again?! Oh, but they are doing us a favor and offering us the 3 core books for $60. Nope. And this is going to push me away from using dndbeyond in anyway.
Nobody has a gun to your head. This is just another option, and you are absolutely not required to use it.
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Awesome. I am very excited about this. For three years I have been waiting for pdfs or another suitable electronic format for the 5e books. DDB is definitely more than a sufficient PDF alternative (it is actually far superior from what I have seen so far).
Is it possible that we'll get some sneak peeks at exactly how the digital content will function before buying into fully digita content?
My concern is how efficiently I will be able to search PHB content only iPad vs with a physical book in hand.
This would be a great opportunity for a Lost Mines of Phandelver release so we can get a free/cheap test drive.
right now I'm a little Leary of doubling down on my core books without getting my hands dirty with the digital versions.
Also, just for clarification on the Master Tier, when it says the DM can share all unlocked official content with players in a campaign So if I'm running multiple campaigns, and I buy MM, PHB, DMG, Yawning Portal, will they all be able to access that information via my Master Tier subscription so we could share the cost of the digital books? Also, along with that, will I be able to restrict that access, so sneaky players aren't reading ahead and getting unfair player knowledge?
i know that is a lot to answer, but I appreciate your time and these valiant efforts
c
If I purchase just one race from Volo's, say the Taxabi, in August and then 6 months later decide to buy the whole Volo's book; will I get a discounted price on Volo's as I have already paid for the Taxabi?
"Kid, didn't your mother teach you not to talk to strangers? and trust me, I am the strangest person you will ever meet."
Glad to finally see some numbers! I've been hinging a lot of my faith in the potential for D&D Beyond on what the pricing looks like, and I'm happy to see it's... Pretty reasonable I guess. I'd really like to see hardcover physical books that come with a code to unlock the digital version on DDB, like you see a lot of DvDs and blue rays come with these days, I'm probably not the first to pitch that idea.
So, I keep seeing this repeated. People keep saying, "You don't have to pay to unlock, especially if you're only using a few features, you can just homebrew the small bit instead." But I'm pretty sure that is not allowed, even if you don't share it publicly. The ToS says:
Even if you argue that your use of the material is fair (there's a nontrivial format-shifting argument), you definitely don't have the right to grant the rights that it asks for:
And this is the clause on User Content which seems to apply to everything you submit here, regardless of whether you choose to share it publicly or no.
I'm seeing this comment repeatedly, both here and on Reddit. Where are people seeing that it's ok to put non-owned copyrighted material into D&DB, even privately?
Good question, I'd like to know this as well.
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Nope. What a shitty business practice to squeeze money out of your player base like this. I already spent $150 on the 3 corebooks, plus what I've spent on the other books that have come out since then. And now Wizards wants us to buy them again?! Oh, but they are doing us a favor and offering us the 3 core books for $60. Nope. And this is going to push me away from using dndbeyond in anyway.
Digital D&D is beyond my wallet!
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Can't afford to pay 30 bucks for books I already paid for with effort.
$10 would be a sweet deal (the price of a pathfinder pdf).
$15 would still be tempting...
Kudos from Brazil! Will be looking for price cuts in the future....
Personally I think a far more sensible pricing structure would be to have an "everything included sub" that gave you credit towards a permanent book every few months. You wouldn't have to shell out the best part of $100 to get started, and longer you used it, the more invested in the system you would be. And it wouldn't scare away the new people either.
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Send me a message with any questions or concerns
Thanks for the clarification Sedge!
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