You seem to be confused about exclusivity and provision in the English language. "For examples, see here" does NOT mean "for all allowable items, see here". It means that list is a reference sheet for ideas, not the exclusive boundary for the ability. If they had meant for that list to be exhaustive, it would have been worded differently (e.g. "you create one nonmagical item of your choice from the equipment chapter of the Player's Handbook, etc").
The explicitly stated boundary is only the cost, size, gp value, and magical property. It is not "making up new uses" to use the ability within it's stated boundaries.
This class is the ultimate DM dependant class. Limited only by your imagination? - This what one DM told me. For some yes maybe the case, but I can imagine a lot of things. For me the real limitation is "DM says no" - not for me.
This class is the ultimate DM dependant class. Limited only by your imagination? - This what one DM told me. For some yes maybe the case, but I can imagine a lot of things. For me the real limitation is "DM says no" - not for me.
Sure, doesn't have to be, but it's still the class that can summon and animate their own flying battle pet at level 6.
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Canto alla vita alla sua bellezza ad ogni sua ferita ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
This class is the ultimate DM dependant class. Limited only by your imagination? - This what one DM told me. For some yes maybe the case, but I can imagine a lot of things. For me the real limitation is "DM says no" - not for me.
Sure, doesn't have to be, but it's still the class that can summon and animate their own flying battle pet at level 6.
Entitled to your opinion - how many classes -subclasses could you name and feel you were being honest with yourself that are more DM Dependant than this class? I'm talking about getting a Flat "no".
This class is the ultimate DM dependant class. Limited only by your imagination? - This what one DM told me. For some yes maybe the case, but I can imagine a lot of things. For me the real limitation is "DM says no" - not for me.
Sure, doesn't have to be, but it's still the class that can summon and animate their own flying battle pet at level 6.
Entitled to your opinion - how many classes -subclasses could you name and feel you were being honest with yourself that are more DM Dependant than this class? I'm talking about getting a Flat "no".
What I was saying was that it doesn't have to be for you, no one has to like any class or subclass. I honestly don't see what is so DM dependent about this subclass unless you're asking to make stuff that isn't just regular mundane things. 2014 Ranger was highly DM dependent because of Favored Enemy and Natural Explorer built right into the base class.
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Canto alla vita alla sua bellezza ad ogni sua ferita ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
Agreed, I won't like the exact wording here - I'm not sure that's allowed.
As I read it the only RAW limitations are:
Must Be non-magical Must be an Item - Personally at the time I couldn't even find an definitive rule on what an "Item" is, if you can find it, i tip my hat to you - Though there maybe now, or in 4e or before, I'm not sure Must appear within 10 feet of you Must appear on a surface or in a liquid that can support it The GP value of the item can’t be more than 20 times your bard level - pre buff level
It goes on to state that the examples are it equipment in the players handbook - not an exhaustive list.
I'm sure I or anyone else could could spend a day-and-night listing things I we think of that are within these very broad terms.
Are they allowed? Final decision lies with the DM. One DM say's yay, other says nay.
That said, I do concede the below point
I just include this "unless" statement as being "DM dependant" - though I'm not wed to that wording if someone wants to use another adjective to articulate it.
Looking up the college of creation bard, I could not find it in the PHB 2024. Where do you find this?
College of Creation is from Tasha's Cauldron of Everything.
pronouns: he/she/they
For examples of items you can create, see the equipment chapter of the Player's Handbook.
If you want to create something that is not on the list you will need to talk to your DM about it.You seem to be confused about exclusivity and provision in the English language. "For examples, see here" does NOT mean "for all allowable items, see here". It means that list is a reference sheet for ideas, not the exclusive boundary for the ability. If they had meant for that list to be exhaustive, it would have been worded differently (e.g. "you create one nonmagical item of your choice from the equipment chapter of the Player's Handbook, etc").
The explicitly stated boundary is only the cost, size, gp value, and magical property. It is not "making up new uses" to use the ability within it's stated boundaries.
Why are you distorting what I wrote? Anything not listed requires DM approval.... nearly 4 years later reflection.
This class is the ultimate DM dependant class. Limited only by your imagination? - This what one DM told me. For some yes maybe the case, but I can imagine a lot of things. For me the real limitation is "DM says no" - not for me.
Sure, doesn't have to be, but it's still the class that can summon and animate their own flying battle pet at level 6.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
Entitled to your opinion - how many classes -subclasses could you name and feel you were being honest with yourself that are more DM Dependant than this class?
I'm talking about getting a Flat "no".
What I was saying was that it doesn't have to be for you, no one has to like any class or subclass. I honestly don't see what is so DM dependent about this subclass unless you're asking to make stuff that isn't just regular mundane things. 2014 Ranger was highly DM dependent because of Favored Enemy and Natural Explorer built right into the base class.
Canto alla vita
alla sua bellezza
ad ogni sua ferita
ogni sua carezza!
I sing to life and to its tragic beauty
To pain and to strife, but all that dances through me
The rise and the fall, I've lived through it all!
Because in Player's Handbook there is a list of items.
If you want to create an item listed in another book, you can do so if the DM allows it to be used at his table.
Agreed, I won't like the exact wording here - I'm not sure that's allowed.
As I read it the only RAW limitations are:
Must Be non-magical
Must be an Item - Personally at the time I couldn't even find an definitive rule on what an "Item" is, if you can find it, i tip my hat to you - Though there maybe now, or in 4e or before, I'm not sure
Must appear within 10 feet of you
Must appear on a surface or in a liquid that can support it
The GP value of the item can’t be more than 20 times your bard level - pre buff level
It goes on to state that the examples are it equipment in the players handbook - not an exhaustive list.
I'm sure I or anyone else could could spend a day-and-night listing things I we think of that are within these very broad terms.
Are they allowed? Final decision lies with the DM. One DM say's yay, other says nay.
That said, I do concede the below point
I just include this "unless" statement as being "DM dependant" - though I'm not wed to that wording if someone wants to use another adjective to articulate it.