Has anybody thought of a way for a Wizard to get Find Steed (or even better, Find Greater Steed) w/o investing heavily into a Paladin multiclass? I know Wizards get Phantom Steed, which in some ways is even better (it's a Ritual, for starters. It can also be cast in just 1 minute, vs the Paladin's 10 minutes, if using a spell slot), but I'm interested in the permanent nature of the Paladin steed spells.
I admit it's not ideal but it's the simplest by-the-book way to get the job done without extreme multiclassing. As long as you don't dismiss it, the only situation you'd need to recast the spell is if it hits 0 hit points; in that situation there's a chance you would've needed a new warhorse anyways.
The Wizard could also employ a Bard X/Wizard 1 to scribe this spell after having learned it and pass the scroll along. A wealthy enough Wizard could hire a Bard to do that once a day, every day.
Why not just ask your DM if you can "create" them, take Phantom Steed 1st, then use that to research the basic conjuration aspect of Find Steed/Find Greater Steed.
If it helps the DM out, point them to page 129 in the DMG, that gives some cost for creating magical items, so if that should give some basic costing (500gp of material components to create a Find Steed spell scroll, 5000gp to create a Find Greater Steed spell scroll would be the easiest way to look at it), once you create the spell scroll you can then have some R&D/testing/making Arcana checks (DC i would use would likely be 10+ double the level of the spell), if you pass the Arcana check the spell scroll holds the new spell and you can then spend GP as normal to scribe into your spell book, if you fail the Arcana check side of things then the scroll combusts as the magic consumes it and you start over.
I'd likely also make Find steed a level 3 spell and Find Greater Steed a level 5 or 6 spell just to balance out the spell levels a little as Paladins don't get Find Steed till level 5 or Find Greater Steed till level 13, but no reason why you couldn't create them as ritual spells.
The Wizard could also employ a Bard X/Wizard 1 to scribe this spell after having learned it and pass the scroll along.
Why Bard X/Wizard 1? A single-classed Bard or Paladin could do the job. The wizard is the one that needs to multiclass to use the scroll.
Well, I put the Wizard 1 in there b/c there's nothing in Bard or Paladin class that suggest that they have to ability to scribe magical scrolls. I mean, look at the "idiot savant" Sorcerer. So much magical ability, so little training. Or that's how the lore goes anyway. I think some DMs adhere strongly to their view of classes, so might not allow Bards, Sorcs, and Paladins from scribing scrolls unless something in their background implied that they can.
The Wizard could also employ a Bard X/Wizard 1 to scribe this spell after having learned it and pass the scroll along.
Why Bard X/Wizard 1? A single-classed Bard or Paladin could do the job. The wizard is the one that needs to multiclass to use the scroll.
Well, I put the Wizard 1 in there b/c there's nothing in Bard or Paladin class that suggest that they have to ability to scribe magical scrolls. I mean, look at the "idiot savant" Sorcerer. So much magical ability, so little training. Or that's how the lore goes anyway. I think some DMs adhere strongly to their view of classes, so might not allow Bards, Sorcs, and Paladins from scribing scrolls unless something in their background implied that they can.
The DMG and XGtE both have references to scribing scrolls as an optional downtime activity and neither mention mention requiring Wizard.
I guess you could just find a Bard with the Arcana skill scribing scrolls. Paladins don't get Arcana, do they? It's my impression that some "by the books" magical training is required to scribe scrolls. Anywho, you folks with the DMG would probably need to quote it directly b/c I haven't gotten my copy yet.
Hah! I actually hadn't thought of that. Seems a bit of a waste of a Wish, unless I decide to risk the 33% chance of never being able to cast it by wishing to actually get the spell on my spell list / spellbook. Thanks!
You don’t risk anything. If you use wish to duplicate a spell of 8th level or lower there’s no risk. It’s not just Wizard spells, any spell whatsoever 8th and under can be duplicated without any components or risk. Boom!
You don’t risk anything. If you use wish to duplicate a spell of 8th level or lower there’s no risk. It’s not just Wizard spells, any spell whatsoever 8th and under can be duplicated without any components or risk. Boom!
That lets you cast it once per wish, which is useful, but a bit wasteful of your 9th level slot. The OP was suggesting that they could risk the penalty to permanently add the spell to their list, allowing them to cast it with a lower level slot in the future.
Depending on when you need the steed, it's not a bad use of Wish using down time or before a long rest. The steed is there until you dismiss it so you could use an unused 9th slot before you bed down for night at an inn and have a pegasus or griffin waiting for you in the stable when you wake up.
Besides Find Greater Steed which can give flying mounts and etc, I don't see any downgrade from Find Steed against Phantom Steed. If you manage to find enough time to recast the ritual every hour, you'll benefit from 100 ft speed in every combat (or your allies). Which is awesome.
Has anybody thought of a way for a Wizard to get Find Steed (or even better, Find Greater Steed) w/o investing heavily into a Paladin multiclass? I know Wizards get Phantom Steed, which in some ways is even better (it's a Ritual, for starters. It can also be cast in just 1 minute, vs the Paladin's 10 minutes, if using a spell slot), but I'm interested in the permanent nature of the Paladin steed spells.
Ring of Spell Storing with a donor spellcaster.
6 (10) levels of lore bard or 5 (13) levels of paladin? Parenthesis is for greater.
Ask you DM nicely?
Unfortunately, it is hard for non-bards to learn paladin spells.
While this works, it gets a bit annoying if you need to recast the spell. If you aren't planning to need to recast it, buy a warhorse.
Suddenly I'm having visions of a party with a bard and a ring passing the ring around (with attunement breaks) so everyone gets a mount.
I admit it's not ideal but it's the simplest by-the-book way to get the job done without extreme multiclassing. As long as you don't dismiss it, the only situation you'd need to recast the spell is if it hits 0 hit points; in that situation there's a chance you would've needed a new warhorse anyways.
The Wizard could also employ a Bard X/Wizard 1 to scribe this spell after having learned it and pass the scroll along. A wealthy enough Wizard could hire a Bard to do that once a day, every day.
Why not just ask your DM if you can "create" them, take Phantom Steed 1st, then use that to research the basic conjuration aspect of Find Steed/Find Greater Steed.
If it helps the DM out, point them to page 129 in the DMG, that gives some cost for creating magical items, so if that should give some basic costing (500gp of material components to create a Find Steed spell scroll, 5000gp to create a Find Greater Steed spell scroll would be the easiest way to look at it), once you create the spell scroll you can then have some R&D/testing/making Arcana checks (DC i would use would likely be 10+ double the level of the spell), if you pass the Arcana check the spell scroll holds the new spell and you can then spend GP as normal to scribe into your spell book, if you fail the Arcana check side of things then the scroll combusts as the magic consumes it and you start over.
I'd likely also make Find steed a level 3 spell and Find Greater Steed a level 5 or 6 spell just to balance out the spell levels a little as Paladins don't get Find Steed till level 5 or Find Greater Steed till level 13, but no reason why you couldn't create them as ritual spells.
Why Bard X/Wizard 1? A single-classed Bard or Paladin could do the job. The wizard is the one that needs to multiclass to use the scroll.
Well, I put the Wizard 1 in there b/c there's nothing in Bard or Paladin class that suggest that they have to ability to scribe magical scrolls. I mean, look at the "idiot savant" Sorcerer. So much magical ability, so little training. Or that's how the lore goes anyway. I think some DMs adhere strongly to their view of classes, so might not allow Bards, Sorcs, and Paladins from scribing scrolls unless something in their background implied that they can.
The DMG and XGtE both have references to scribing scrolls as an optional downtime activity and neither mention mention requiring Wizard.
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I guess you could just find a Bard with the Arcana skill scribing scrolls. Paladins don't get Arcana, do they? It's my impression that some "by the books" magical training is required to scribe scrolls. Anywho, you folks with the DMG would probably need to quote it directly b/c I haven't gotten my copy yet.
Hah! I actually hadn't thought of that. Seems a bit of a waste of a Wish, unless I decide to risk the 33% chance of never being able to cast it by wishing to actually get the spell on my spell list / spellbook. Thanks!
You don’t risk anything. If you use wish to duplicate a spell of 8th level or lower there’s no risk. It’s not just Wizard spells, any spell whatsoever 8th and under can be duplicated without any components or risk. Boom!
That lets you cast it once per wish, which is useful, but a bit wasteful of your 9th level slot. The OP was suggesting that they could risk the penalty to permanently add the spell to their list, allowing them to cast it with a lower level slot in the future.
Depending on when you need the steed, it's not a bad use of Wish using down time or before a long rest. The steed is there until you dismiss it so you could use an unused 9th slot before you bed down for night at an inn and have a pegasus or griffin waiting for you in the stable when you wake up.
Wouldn't work. The spell scroll can't be copied in a spellbook if it's not a wizard spell.
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Besides Find Greater Steed which can give flying mounts and etc, I don't see any downgrade from Find Steed against Phantom Steed. If you manage to find enough time to recast the ritual every hour, you'll benefit from 100 ft speed in every combat (or your allies). Which is awesome.
Nobody from 15 months ago suggested doing that, so irrelevant but true.