Wizards wants people to buy the three-book bundle. Nobody wants the three-book bundle because everybody already has two of the three books. Wizards is gonna see how many people it can out-patience into buying the three-book bundle because they can wait longer to sell the individual book than people can wait to buy it. Gonna end up with a looot of extraneous copies of Xanathar's and Tasha's nobody actually cared about or wanted chucked in the bin or put up for five-dollar resale, which is a god damned waste.
If the bundle has the alt covers I might pick one up and donate my original copies of X's and T's to someone else, but that's very much an edge case scenario.
This is exactly what I am doing. So I am one of the suckers that WotC has made more money off of.
Getting the alt covers, the opportunity of making someone else happy with two books, and M³ is worth the money for me. WotC's approach still stinks, but I don't think that makes us suckers. The fact that I won't have to wait for the books is a bonus, but doesn't really factor in it for me. And not that I suggest turning to piracy, but I'm sure there will be legible scans and complete leaks of the new info pretty much as soon as the bundle is released. Not the same thing as having the book, especially not the same as having the content integrated in DDB's tools, but people who do want to use the new stuff and (perfectly understandably) aren't willing to buy the bundle will be able to make do for a few months until the book is released separately.
All that said, I haven't actually found a bundle with confirmed alt covers to buy yet. Chances are I'll (have to) be waiting it out too.
For me the issue is cost, since I don't have the two XPs yet. Itsless than £50 to pick up XGtE and TCoE, £150 for the set. That's £100 for...one book, a screen and box to keep them in. The the same set for the core rules was £90.
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I'm not sure this is a great data point for that theory.
More likely, they're using MMM to help drive sales of the expansion gift set, hence why they are not releasing it separately from the outset. Since that would be significantly undermined if it were available on DDB, they're delaying release on digital format until the book is available individually.
Still, if they do withdraw the licence, they'd better honour purchases and transfer them to whatever they're building. I could see a lot of angry faces if they just pull the plug.
I own the legacy bundle here, and I will absolutely NOT buy any of these books again on a WotC site if they don't transfer. That would be the biggest batch of bullshit.
Wizards wants people to buy the three-book bundle. Nobody wants the three-book bundle because everybody already has two of the three books. Wizards is gonna see how many people it can out-patience into buying the three-book bundle because they can wait longer to sell the individual book than people can wait to buy it. Gonna end up with a looot of extraneous copies of Xanathar's and Tasha's nobody actually cared about or wanted chucked in the bin or put up for five-dollar resale, which is a god damned waste.
I actually really want the second copy of those books because I am incredibly lazy. I have a second PHB in my player bag, and my copies of XGE and TCE will be added to the player bag when the box comes in. I DM Friday nights and play Saturday nights, so having my player bag set up all the time and not having to transfer books will be awesome for me. But I understand that I'm in the minority.
I'm not sure this is a great data point for that theory.
More likely, they're using MMM to help drive sales of the expansion gift set, hence why they are not releasing it separately from the outset. Since that would be significantly undermined if it were available on DDB, they're delaying release on digital format until the book is available individually.
Still, if they do withdraw the licence, they'd better honour purchases and transfer them to whatever they're building. I could see a lot of angry faces if they just pull the plug.
I own the legacy bundle here, and I will absolutely NOT buy any of these books again on a WotC site if they don't transfer. That would be the biggest batch of bullshit.
While I don't disagree with you about it being bullshit, that is the risk you take buying digital content. You don't actually own anything. You only have access for as long as this site exists and even then it is subject to change.
I'm not sure this is a great data point for that theory.
More likely, they're using MMM to help drive sales of the expansion gift set, hence why they are not releasing it separately from the outset. Since that would be significantly undermined if it were available on DDB, they're delaying release on digital format until the book is available individually.
Still, if they do withdraw the licence, they'd better honour purchases and transfer them to whatever they're building. I could see a lot of angry faces if they just pull the plug.
I own the legacy bundle here, and I will absolutely NOT buy any of these books again on a WotC site if they don't transfer. That would be the biggest batch of bullshit.
While I don't disagree with you about it being bullshit, that is the risk you take buying digital content. You don't actually own anything. You only have access for as long as this site exists and even then it is subject to change.
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
Wizards wants people to buy the three-book bundle. Nobody wants the three-book bundle because everybody already has two of the three books. Wizards is gonna see how many people it can out-patience into buying the three-book bundle because they can wait longer to sell the individual book than people can wait to buy it. Gonna end up with a looot of extraneous copies of Xanathar's and Tasha's nobody actually cared about or wanted chucked in the bin or put up for five-dollar resale, which is a god damned waste.
If the bundle has the alt covers I might pick one up and donate my original copies of X's and T's to someone else, but that's very much an edge case scenario.
This is exactly what I am doing. So I am one of the suckers that WotC has made more money off of.
Getting the alt covers, the opportunity of making someone else happy with two books, and M³ is worth the money for me. WotC's approach still stinks, but I don't think that makes us suckers. The fact that I won't have to wait for the books is a bonus, but doesn't really factor in it for me. And not that I suggest turning to piracy, but I'm sure there will be legible scans and complete leaks of the new info pretty much as soon as the bundle is released. Not the same thing as having the book, especially not the same as having the content integrated in DDB's tools, but people who do want to use the new stuff and (perfectly understandably) aren't willing to buy the bundle will be able to make do for a few months until the book is released separately.
All that said, I haven't actually found a bundle with confirmed alt covers to buy yet. Chances are I'll (have to) be waiting it out too.
There is a retailer exclusive alt cover boxed set, but the alt covers are not the alt covers for when XGtE and TCoE were released. It's there on the product page, the box is white and the covers have an overwhelmingly white cover with a graphic appropriate to each book on it. They're not reprints of the old covers.
I'm meh about the covers and happy to wait till MMM is released individually (probably with its own individual alt cover).
I think to address an assertion about WotC leaving DDB high and dry and Davyd's assertion that none of the digital edition providers have it available, I think WotC isn't unveiling some secret under wraps digital toolset to hose all those digital partners. Rather, as I think Yuri is saying, WotC wants a print sales driver and this is one way to go about it, leaving the digital adaptors out to drive until the numbers make sense for a single book/digital release. Really I see it as a "whale catcher" for those who want to have everything D&D or those who need the latest and are willing and have the resources to swallow redundant purchases ... and a "relative who wants to be hip" catcher for someone wanting to get a player a gift. I wouldn't denounce WotC acknowledging what it is, and there's similar behavior from other actors in the TTRPG space (looking at you corpse of FFG with your "three separate" Star Wars games with significant redundancy in pages ... and recognize that this is an entity whose parent company put out 68 versions of Snake Eyes over a 42 year period.... It's not so much that we're getting scammed as spammed on the product release front.
I mean if WotC was so uptight about maintaining print sales they could just move to print first and digital embargo for a period of time with all print productions, but then you'd have all the truly agnostic VTTs clobbering DDB and the big VTT adaptors as communities just take a DIY approach.
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I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
Yeah, that does suck. This a tough position for DnDBeyond and the people that buy here that don't want to make the change. Nether one gets much of a say in the matter.
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
Yeah, that does suck. This a tough position for DnDBeyond and the people that buy here that don't want to make the change. Nether one gets much of a say in the matter.
Well, you know how it’s legal to make a copy of a DVD you purchase for your own “private backup” copy? As far as I’m concerned I paid for the content I have here, so if I “acquire” a PDF somewhere as my “private backup” copy that happens to have the OG content then I’m morally okay with it.
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
Yeah, that does suck. This a tough position for DnDBeyond and the people that buy here that don't want to make the change. Nether one gets much of a say in the matter.
Well, you know how it’s legal to make a copy of a DVD you purchase for your own “private backup” copy? As far as I’m concerned I paid for the content I have here, so if I “acquire” a PDF somewhere as my “private backup” copy that happens to have the OG content then I’m morally okay with it.
If you're worried about the content you buy changing, don't buy the digital content. DnDBeyond has been changing content based on Wizards errata for years. That's an understood part of buying from them.
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
Yeah, that does suck. This a tough position for DnDBeyond and the people that buy here that don't want to make the change. Nether one gets much of a say in the matter.
Well, you know how it’s legal to make a copy of a DVD you purchase for your own “private backup” copy? As far as I’m concerned I paid for the content I have here, so if I “acquire” a PDF somewhere as my “private backup” copy that happens to have the OG content then I’m morally okay with it.
If you're worried about the content you buy changing, don't buy the digital content. DnDBeyond has been changing content based on Wizards errata for years. That's an understood part of buying from them.
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
Yeah, that does suck. This a tough position for DnDBeyond and the people that buy here that don't want to make the change. Nether one gets much of a say in the matter.
Well, you know how it’s legal to make a copy of a DVD you purchase for your own “private backup” copy? As far as I’m concerned I paid for the content I have here, so if I “acquire” a PDF somewhere as my “private backup” copy that happens to have the OG content then I’m morally okay with it.
You can also get the dead tree version on Amazon for the same price you pay here. Heck, before long you will be finding used copies for a lot cheaper. Happens with every edition change.
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
Yeah, that does suck. This a tough position for DnDBeyond and the people that buy here that don't want to make the change. Nether one gets much of a say in the matter.
Well, you know how it’s legal to make a copy of a DVD you purchase for your own “private backup” copy? As far as I’m concerned I paid for the content I have here, so if I “acquire” a PDF somewhere as my “private backup” copy that happens to have the OG content then I’m morally okay with it.
You can also get the dead tree version on Amazon for the same price you pay here. Heck, before long you will be finding used copies for a lot cheaper. Happens with every edition change.
If I wanted dead trees I woulda bought them in the first place. I’ll take a digital copy and feel no guilt having paid for it once.
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
Yeah, that does suck. This a tough position for DnDBeyond and the people that buy here that don't want to make the change. Nether one gets much of a say in the matter.
Well, you know how it’s legal to make a copy of a DVD you purchase for your own “private backup” copy? As far as I’m concerned I paid for the content I have here, so if I “acquire” a PDF somewhere as my “private backup” copy that happens to have the OG content then I’m morally okay with it.
You can also get the dead tree version on Amazon for the same price you pay here. Heck, before long you will be finding used copies for a lot cheaper. Happens with every edition change.
If I wanted dead trees I woulda bought them in the first place. I’ll take a digital copy and feel no guilt having paid for it once.
No worries, just laying the info out there incase others weren't aware. Not everyone has played through an edition change.
"All" playable races, no. M3 reprints 33 existing species/subspecies from previous sources that are considered generic enough to exist in every setting in D&D. There are a number of species that remain exclusive* to their original setting books, such as warforged, vedalken, verdan, and so forth. Buying M3, when it comes out in May, will grant access to all the species most commonly associated with D&D (that aren't already in the PHB), but it will not unlock access to every species in D&D.
Does anybody know if all playable races would be unlocked in ddb if i bought this book?
Not all, no. I imagine by now it's not hard to Google a list of the races present in MMM. It's not every playable race in D&D. Or you can wait till the book comes out here and check out the contents before buying.
Getting the alt covers, the opportunity of making someone else happy with two books, and M³ is worth the money for me. WotC's approach still stinks, but I don't think that makes us suckers. The fact that I won't have to wait for the books is a bonus, but doesn't really factor in it for me. And not that I suggest turning to piracy, but I'm sure there will be legible scans and complete leaks of the new info pretty much as soon as the bundle is released. Not the same thing as having the book, especially not the same as having the content integrated in DDB's tools, but people who do want to use the new stuff and (perfectly understandably) aren't willing to buy the bundle will be able to make do for a few months until the book is released separately.
All that said, I haven't actually found a bundle with confirmed alt covers to buy yet. Chances are I'll (have to) be waiting it out too.
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For me the issue is cost, since I don't have the two XPs yet. Itsless than £50 to pick up XGtE and TCoE, £150 for the set. That's £100 for...one book, a screen and box to keep them in. The the same set for the core rules was £90.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
I own the legacy bundle here, and I will absolutely NOT buy any of these books again on a WotC site if they don't transfer. That would be the biggest batch of bullshit.
I actually really want the second copy of those books because I am incredibly lazy. I have a second PHB in my player bag, and my copies of XGE and TCE will be added to the player bag when the box comes in. I DM Friday nights and play Saturday nights, so having my player bag set up all the time and not having to transfer books will be awesome for me. But I understand that I'm in the minority.
While I don't disagree with you about it being bullshit, that is the risk you take buying digital content. You don't actually own anything. You only have access for as long as this site exists and even then it is subject to change.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
lmao, dev update got cancelled 33 minutes before it was going to happen
I agree. I also own most of the official 5e books. I buy the digital for the ease of looking things up on the fly or when I'm campaign planning at work, but I buy the physical books so that no matter what I always have the content.
There is a retailer exclusive alt cover boxed set, but the alt covers are not the alt covers for when XGtE and TCoE were released. It's there on the product page, the box is white and the covers have an overwhelmingly white cover with a graphic appropriate to each book on it. They're not reprints of the old covers.
I'm meh about the covers and happy to wait till MMM is released individually (probably with its own individual alt cover).
I think to address an assertion about WotC leaving DDB high and dry and Davyd's assertion that none of the digital edition providers have it available, I think WotC isn't unveiling some secret under wraps digital toolset to hose all those digital partners. Rather, as I think Yuri is saying, WotC wants a print sales driver and this is one way to go about it, leaving the digital adaptors out to drive until the numbers make sense for a single book/digital release. Really I see it as a "whale catcher" for those who want to have everything D&D or those who need the latest and are willing and have the resources to swallow redundant purchases ... and a "relative who wants to be hip" catcher for someone wanting to get a player a gift. I wouldn't denounce WotC acknowledging what it is, and there's similar behavior from other actors in the TTRPG space (looking at you corpse of FFG with your "three separate" Star Wars games with significant redundancy in pages ... and recognize that this is an entity whose parent company put out 68 versions of Snake Eyes over a 42 year period.... It's not so much that we're getting scammed as spammed on the product release front.
I mean if WotC was so uptight about maintaining print sales they could just move to print first and digital embargo for a period of time with all print productions, but then you'd have all the truly agnostic VTTs clobbering DDB and the big VTT adaptors as communities just take a DIY approach.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
That’s not financially feasible for lots of people.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
Yeah, that does suck. This a tough position for DnDBeyond and the people that buy here that don't want to make the change. Nether one gets much of a say in the matter.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
Well, you know how it’s legal to make a copy of a DVD you purchase for your own “private backup” copy? As far as I’m concerned I paid for the content I have here, so if I “acquire” a PDF somewhere as my “private backup” copy that happens to have the OG content then I’m morally okay with it.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
If you're worried about the content you buy changing, don't buy the digital content. DnDBeyond has been changing content based on Wizards errata for years. That's an understood part of buying from them.
Which is why I’ve stopped buying content here.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
You can also get the dead tree version on Amazon for the same price you pay here. Heck, before long you will be finding used copies for a lot cheaper. Happens with every edition change.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
If I wanted dead trees I woulda bought them in the first place. I’ll take a digital copy and feel no guilt having paid for it once.
Creating Epic Boons on DDB
DDB Buyers' Guide
Hardcovers, DDB & You
Content Troubleshooting
No worries, just laying the info out there incase others weren't aware. Not everyone has played through an edition change.
She/Her Player and Dungeon Master
Hello people.
Does anybody know if all playable races would be unlocked in ddb if i bought this book?
Sigh.
"All" playable races, no. M3 reprints 33 existing species/subspecies from previous sources that are considered generic enough to exist in every setting in D&D. There are a number of species that remain exclusive* to their original setting books, such as warforged, vedalken, verdan, and so forth. Buying M3, when it comes out in May, will grant access to all the species most commonly associated with D&D (that aren't already in the PHB), but it will not unlock access to every species in D&D.
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Not all, no. I imagine by now it's not hard to Google a list of the races present in MMM. It's not every playable race in D&D. Or you can wait till the book comes out here and check out the contents before buying.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
These are the included races.