My subscription has utility for me. I have homebrew gathered from a disparate range of third party sources my players can run through the character creator rather than consulting multiple sources and multiple core books. If changes in D&D frustrate or eliminate that capacity, I have no reason to keep using D&D Beyond.
I also spend a lot more on 3rd party and non D&D systems than I've ever spent on D&D Beyond. In fact, it's been well over a year (15 months) since I've actually bought something on DDB besides my subscription fee. So given that I feel the support I gave the TTRPG economy directly far outweighs the personal utilitarian value of my subscription.
if this 1600 pool of voters is representative of the general DnDbeyond population.
I doubt it, how many folks here have created alt accounts expressly to write take downs of D&D Beyond and avoid mod sanctions of the primary accounts they claim to have? When folks were doomsaying earlier about these forums, the value of the forums is not in user generated polls. No one who actually cares about useful data thinks this sort of polling has any integrity. Otherwise UA polling would have been integrated here. It's not, because the integrity of the data is always suspect. The forum's poll feature is basically a game and a lure for comments.
My subscription has utility for me. I have homebrew gathered from a disparate range of third party sources my players can run through the character creator rather than consulting multiple sources and multiple core books. If changes in D&D frustrate or eliminate that capacity, I have no reason to keep using D&D Beyond.
I also spend a lot more on 3rd party and non D&D systems than I've ever spent on D&D Beyond. In fact, it's been well over a year (15 months) since I've actually bought something on DDB besides my subscription fee. So given that I feel the support I gave the TTRPG economy directly far outweighs the personal utilitarian value of my subscription.
if this 1600 pool of voters is representative of the general DnDbeyond population.
I doubt it, how many folks here have created alt accounts expressly to write take downs of D&D Beyond and avoid mod sanctions of the primary accounts they claim to have? When folks were doomsaying earlier about these forums, the value of the forums is not in user generated polls. No one who actually cares about useful data thinks this sort of polling has any integrity. Otherwise UA polling would have been integrated here. It's not, because the integrity of the data is always suspect. The forum's poll feature is basically a game and a lure for comments.
Heya! This thread was designed as a poll more than a comment thread. Believe it or not, I wanted more transparency than blind trust. Is it perfect? No. Is it flawed? Yes. Is this a game to me? No. I want to allow an unbiased place for people to vote and if they feel inclined say what they voted with no judgement. You are free to make your own thread for your own needs. But this is a thread that should have the comments stick to the core purpose. Thanks for your vote and adding to the metric!
Unsubscribed soon after the leak, didn't even hear about a movement until after. I have been playing TTRPG for 20+ years. DDB master subscription was uninterrupted for over two years.
Heya! This thread was designed as a poll more than a comment thread. Believe it or not, I wanted more transparency than blind trust. Is it perfect? No. Is it flawed? Yes. Is this a game to me? No. I want to allow an unbiased place for people to vote and if they feel inclined say what they voted with no judgement. You are free to make your own thread for your own needs. But this is a thread that should have the comments stick to the core purpose. Thanks for your vote and adding to the metric!
Your intent aside, the design of the polling system is what it is. I clearly explained why in my comment that has apparently rattled you why you can't consider this poll "unbiased" or "accurate" in anyway. Again, by design of the forum, and this is not your fault, the poll is nothing more than an opt in click and watch the bars game. If you get over your agitation, do reread what I said about the forum's polling system, and tell me how I'm wrong given the facts of the forum's workings I've laid out. You may think this poll is a valuable resource but any survey researcher would tell you that valuation is seriously mistaken.
I've never bought in. What I can say is that with the online tools that myself and my friends are now using, Beyond and any other WoTC online products are irrelevant. -And IF WoTC and Hasbruh continue down the dark path, I will not purchase any of their newer products. I and my group will continue playing 5e in it's "present" form. Why? Because it's ours. Not theirs. They're doing absolutely nothing that compels us to support them any further. The ONLY folks that I feel sorry for are the hard working folks who aren't in the bloody boardrooms.
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It's not the arrow with my name on it that worries me. It's the arrow that says, "To whom it may concern".
The unsub numbers are probably underrepresented in the poll, because if they unsubbed they very well may not want to stick around reading DnD Beyond forums.
Many who cancelled probably just left never to return, so I expect the % is higher.
The unsub numbers are probably underrepresented in the poll, because if they unsubbed they very well may not want to stick around reading DnD Beyond forums.
Many who cancelled probably just left never to return, so I expect the % is higher.
You maybe right. Conversely, people upset with a product tend to be more vocal than those who are satisfied by a ratio of around 4 or 5 to one. This is prob more of a snapshot of those who use the forums more than anything else.
still, even if the true number is anything over 10%, any company would be concerned
Heya! This thread was designed as a poll more than a comment thread. Believe it or not, I wanted more transparency than blind trust. Is it perfect? No. Is it flawed? Yes. Is this a game to me? No. I want to allow an unbiased place for people to vote and if they feel inclined say what they voted with no judgement. You are free to make your own thread for your own needs. But this is a thread that should have the comments stick to the core purpose. Thanks for your vote and adding to the metric!
Your intent aside, the design of the polling system is what it is. I clearly explained why in my comment that has apparently rattled you why you can't consider this poll "unbiased" or "accurate" in anyway. Again, by design of the forum, and this is not your fault, the poll is nothing more than an opt in click and watch the bars game. If you get over your agitation, do reread what I said about the forum's polling system, and tell me how I'm wrong given the facts of the forum's workings I've laid out. You may think this poll is a valuable resource but any survey researcher would tell you that valuation is seriously mistaken.
Hello again! I was trying to more swiftly reply to your major points as concisely as possible. I am aware of manipulation, but still would rather have something to show than just blindly trust whatever Hasbro might tell us. Again, not perfect but it's better than just sitting and griping about everything. However, as I mentioned previously, the comment section should stick with the purpose stated at the start, so I wont be replying further as to adhere to my own requests for the comments. I hope you have a great day, and happy gaming!
I'm in the same camp. I have no issue with WotC making money from a brand they own, and quite frankly if one's revenue is $750k annually is it really asking too much to pay some revenue to trade mark owner? My understanding, and I hope I'm not completely off the mark, is that the vast majority of us end users wouldn't be much different with DnD. Having said that I don't think I would like to throw $30 a month at DnD Beyond as a player. As a DM it would be a pretty large ask, unless they get access to absolutely everything. At the end of day I only started to using DnD Beyond when I moved from Advanced and 2E to 5E, which was about 2-3 years ago. I've played on paper since 1983, won't hurt me to go back.
Having said that I don't think I would like to throw $30 a month at DnD Beyond as a player
Almost nobody would
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Active characters:
Carric Aquissar, elven wannabe artist in his deconstructionist period (Archfey warlock) Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric) Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue) Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
I'm in the same camp. I have no issue with WotC making money from a brand they own, and quite frankly if one's revenue is $750k annually is it really asking too much to pay some revenue to trade mark owner? My understanding, and I hope I'm not completely off the mark, is that the vast majority of us end users wouldn't be much different with DnD.
25% of gross is not just 'some', it is far more than the margins that exist in most industries and far more than any $705k business. It was intentionally included to kill any successful competitors which affects the majority of players who have benefitted from 3rd party content being produced either by direct use in campaigns or inspiration for DMs.
So now that wizards has backed down, apologized, and given the community a better deal than they had at the beginning of all of this.
How many of you are going to resubscribe?
I have, although if there's any more shady shit I will not mind unsubbing again. I probably won't be buying any new products on here, though, since I really only use this site for character creation and homebrew.
So now that wizards has backed down, apologized, and given the community a better deal than they had at the beginning of all of this.
How many of you are going to resubscribe?
Not yet, but I have until November for my Master Tier sub to end.
I am not because wizards backed down from setting the whole thing on fire, but their one concession was a half assed promise not to burn the place down and to permanently extend what they already did with the SRD permanently for something they won't be supporting in the future anyway. They basically like if the mob was running a bingo parlor, threatened to burn the place down and any competing bingo hall, then backed off and said they wouldn't burn the place down and let people keep playing because they received backlash.
They did not acknowledge what was wrong with their approach, just that people didn't like it. They made no promise to do the same thing with 6e in the future, which is a good sign they really don't care at all and are just trying to get people to simmer down so they can do the same thing they were planning with 6e even though they couldn't kill all past editions like they planned. Honestly their best move going forward would be to publish the SRD for 6e under ORC and make better products so they can continue to dominate the market through quality instead of anticompetitive practices.
But they won't do that because the people who hired the executives wanted anticompetitive people to run the company. So I probably won't renew, but it is possible if they made sweeping changes to their approach.
So now that wizards has backed down, apologized, and given the community a better deal than they had at the beginning of all of this.
How many of you are going to resubscribe?
I'm not. I don't need DDB and WotC has not regained my trust this quickly. They'll have to prove with actions in the future that they mean what they say, and I see no reason to resubscribe until they promise to gave all future editions the same treatment they are giving 5e now.
They've promised to leave 5e alone. They have promised nothing for future editions.
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Leaving OGL 1.0(a) untouched and making SRD 5.1 CC-BY-4.0 is a great first step. The next is a promise to do the same for future editions. Here's a discussion thread on that.
So now that wizards has backed down, apologized, and given the community a better deal than they had at the beginning of all of this.
How many of you are going to resubscribe?
I won't be.
I'm too old and jaded to think that a multi-billion dollar company that spent the last few weeks lying, gaslighting and bullying it's fanbase has just decided to 'roll over and give up'.
I'm expecting them to turn around and "redefine 'irrevocably'" or some other lawyer speak to try and sweep this under the rug while simultaneously screwing us.
It's like going back to an abusive ex who says 'I've changed baby....let's just go back to the way it was and put this whole thing behind us?' Pass.
So now that wizards has backed down, apologized, and given the community a better deal than they had at the beginning of all of this.
How many of you are going to resubscribe?
I will have to see what is offered and the cost / benefit of it. Right now I don't see the value in a DND Beyond subscription. (If other people do, that's fine) I was able to port my content over to Foundry and in that medium I have more flexibility with homebrew. I don't have to pay a subscription to homebrew on Foundry and a basic "Forge" hosting plan is about the same price as a sub to DnD Beyond but in Foundry I can work with multiple game systems and also host games on a VTT. So bottom line is $5/mo to foundry gives me most of what I want offered by DnD beyond and also much much more. I can store unlimited homebrew characters on Foundry / Forge and I never use the encounter builder anyway because the CR system in DnD is broke and my players are better off if I just do my own encounter building.
I will also have to see that One DnD looks like in its final form, and I see buying another 5e product at this point a waste of money until One DnD is released. Yes, they say 5e will be fully compatible but I'll just wait and see what all that means. I predict some loopholes in the langauge for them to get around or through.
My subscription has utility for me. I have homebrew gathered from a disparate range of third party sources my players can run through the character creator rather than consulting multiple sources and multiple core books. If changes in D&D frustrate or eliminate that capacity, I have no reason to keep using D&D Beyond.
I also spend a lot more on 3rd party and non D&D systems than I've ever spent on D&D Beyond. In fact, it's been well over a year (15 months) since I've actually bought something on DDB besides my subscription fee. So given that I feel the support I gave the TTRPG economy directly far outweighs the personal utilitarian value of my subscription.
I doubt it, how many folks here have created alt accounts expressly to write take downs of D&D Beyond and avoid mod sanctions of the primary accounts they claim to have? When folks were doomsaying earlier about these forums, the value of the forums is not in user generated polls. No one who actually cares about useful data thinks this sort of polling has any integrity. Otherwise UA polling would have been integrated here. It's not, because the integrity of the data is always suspect. The forum's poll feature is basically a game and a lure for comments.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Heya! This thread was designed as a poll more than a comment thread. Believe it or not, I wanted more transparency than blind trust. Is it perfect? No. Is it flawed? Yes. Is this a game to me? No. I want to allow an unbiased place for people to vote and if they feel inclined say what they voted with no judgement. You are free to make your own thread for your own needs. But this is a thread that should have the comments stick to the core purpose. Thanks for your vote and adding to the metric!
Every little bit helps. If WotC wants to continue down this path, lets make it as painful for them as we can.
Unsubscribed soon after the leak, didn't even hear about a movement until after. I have been playing TTRPG for 20+ years. DDB master subscription was uninterrupted for over two years.
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Your intent aside, the design of the polling system is what it is. I clearly explained why in my comment that has apparently rattled you why you can't consider this poll "unbiased" or "accurate" in anyway. Again, by design of the forum, and this is not your fault, the poll is nothing more than an opt in click and watch the bars game. If you get over your agitation, do reread what I said about the forum's polling system, and tell me how I'm wrong given the facts of the forum's workings I've laid out. You may think this poll is a valuable resource but any survey researcher would tell you that valuation is seriously mistaken.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
I've never bought in.
What I can say is that with the online tools that myself and my friends are now using, Beyond and any other WoTC online products are irrelevant. -And IF WoTC and Hasbruh continue down the dark path, I will not purchase any of their newer products.
I and my group will continue playing 5e in it's "present" form.
Why? Because it's ours. Not theirs.
They're doing absolutely nothing that compels us to support them any further.
The ONLY folks that I feel sorry for are the hard working folks who aren't in the bloody boardrooms.
It's not the arrow with my name on it that worries me. It's the arrow that says, "To whom it may concern".
Great idea, thanks for this poll!
The unsub numbers are probably underrepresented in the poll, because if they unsubbed they very well may not want to stick around reading DnD Beyond forums.
Many who cancelled probably just left never to return, so I expect the % is higher.
You maybe right. Conversely, people upset with a product tend to be more vocal than those who are satisfied by a ratio of around 4 or 5 to one. This is prob more of a snapshot of those who use the forums more than anything else.
still, even if the true number is anything over 10%, any company would be concerned
For me. I unsubscribed at 1.1. I resubscribed at 1.2 (my concerns were addressed).
however at the moment I am hesitant to buy more DDB product.
Hello again! I was trying to more swiftly reply to your major points as concisely as possible. I am aware of manipulation, but still would rather have something to show than just blindly trust whatever Hasbro might tell us. Again, not perfect but it's better than just sitting and griping about everything. However, as I mentioned previously, the comment section should stick with the purpose stated at the start, so I wont be replying further as to adhere to my own requests for the comments. I hope you have a great day, and happy gaming!
I'm in the same camp. I have no issue with WotC making money from a brand they own, and quite frankly if one's revenue is $750k annually is it really asking too much to pay some revenue to trade mark owner? My understanding, and I hope I'm not completely off the mark, is that the vast majority of us end users wouldn't be much different with DnD. Having said that I don't think I would like to throw $30 a month at DnD Beyond as a player. As a DM it would be a pretty large ask, unless they get access to absolutely everything. At the end of day I only started to using DnD Beyond when I moved from Advanced and 2E to 5E, which was about 2-3 years ago. I've played on paper since 1983, won't hurt me to go back.
Almost nobody would
Active characters:
Carric Aquissar, elven wannabe artist in his deconstructionist period (Archfey warlock)
Lan Kidogo, mapach archaeologist and treasure hunter (Knowledge cleric)
Mardan Ferres, elven private investigator obsessed with that one unsolved murder (Assassin rogue)
Xhekhetiel, halfling survivor of a Betrayer Gods cult (Runechild sorcerer/fighter)
So now that wizards has backed down, apologized, and given the community a better deal than they had at the beginning of all of this.
How many of you are going to resubscribe?
25% of gross is not just 'some', it is far more than the margins that exist in most industries and far more than any $705k business. It was intentionally included to kill any successful competitors which affects the majority of players who have benefitted from 3rd party content being produced either by direct use in campaigns or inspiration for DMs.
I have, although if there's any more shady shit I will not mind unsubbing again. I probably won't be buying any new products on here, though, since I really only use this site for character creation and homebrew.
Is it gay in here, or is it just me?
Not yet, but I have until November for my Master Tier sub to end.
I am not because wizards backed down from setting the whole thing on fire, but their one concession was a half assed promise not to burn the place down and to permanently extend what they already did with the SRD permanently for something they won't be supporting in the future anyway. They basically like if the mob was running a bingo parlor, threatened to burn the place down and any competing bingo hall, then backed off and said they wouldn't burn the place down and let people keep playing because they received backlash.
They did not acknowledge what was wrong with their approach, just that people didn't like it. They made no promise to do the same thing with 6e in the future, which is a good sign they really don't care at all and are just trying to get people to simmer down so they can do the same thing they were planning with 6e even though they couldn't kill all past editions like they planned. Honestly their best move going forward would be to publish the SRD for 6e under ORC and make better products so they can continue to dominate the market through quality instead of anticompetitive practices.
But they won't do that because the people who hired the executives wanted anticompetitive people to run the company. So I probably won't renew, but it is possible if they made sweeping changes to their approach.
I'm not. I don't need DDB and WotC has not regained my trust this quickly. They'll have to prove with actions in the future that they mean what they say, and I see no reason to resubscribe until they promise to gave all future editions the same treatment they are giving 5e now.
They've promised to leave 5e alone. They have promised nothing for future editions.
Leaving OGL 1.0(a) untouched and making SRD 5.1 CC-BY-4.0 is a great first step. The next is a promise to do the same for future editions. Here's a discussion thread on that.
#OpenDnD
DDB is great, but it could be better. Here are some things I think could improve DDB
I won't be.
I'm too old and jaded to think that a multi-billion dollar company that spent the last few weeks lying, gaslighting and bullying it's fanbase has just decided to 'roll over and give up'.
I'm expecting them to turn around and "redefine 'irrevocably'" or some other lawyer speak to try and sweep this under the rug while simultaneously screwing us.
It's like going back to an abusive ex who says 'I've changed baby....let's just go back to the way it was and put this whole thing behind us?'
Pass.
I will have to see what is offered and the cost / benefit of it. Right now I don't see the value in a DND Beyond subscription. (If other people do, that's fine) I was able to port my content over to Foundry and in that medium I have more flexibility with homebrew. I don't have to pay a subscription to homebrew on Foundry and a basic "Forge" hosting plan is about the same price as a sub to DnD Beyond but in Foundry I can work with multiple game systems and also host games on a VTT. So bottom line is $5/mo to foundry gives me most of what I want offered by DnD beyond and also much much more. I can store unlimited homebrew characters on Foundry / Forge and I never use the encounter builder anyway because the CR system in DnD is broke and my players are better off if I just do my own encounter building.
I will also have to see that One DnD looks like in its final form, and I see buying another 5e product at this point a waste of money until One DnD is released. Yes, they say 5e will be fully compatible but I'll just wait and see what all that means. I predict some loopholes in the langauge for them to get around or through.